And Alan Higgs and the club shop etc etc - Why would ACL be running scared?
Wise up the club is in its death throes!
Doubt it, ACL will reject the CVA and go after the conduct of the Directors, as any deal with a SISU entity would need to be in real cash and five years in advance
Yeah but I've heard it from the horses mouth
And so is ACL....they need the club for the long term future of the venue
Listen stop discussing if you will attend the games at Northampton or not, it will never happen. It's all a bluff from SISU to get ACL into a postion of weakness and then issue their terms for return to the Ricoh..... SISU are master negotiators and have ACL running scared. SISU have had ACL over at every turn...I'm convinced CCFC will be playing at the Ricoh on SISU's terms for the first home game of the season.... You heard it here!
ACL need the cash big time, it will take the £500k, it's already been agreed by the ACL board
ACL need the cash big time, it will take the £500k, it's already been agreed by the ACL board
Listen stop discussing if you will attend the games at Northampton or not, it will never happen. It's all a bluff from SISU to get ACL into a postion of weakness and then issue their terms for return to the Ricoh..... SISU are master negotiators and have ACL running scared. SISU have had ACL over at every turn...I'm convinced CCFC will be playing at the Ricoh on SISU's terms for the first home game of the season.... You heard it here!
You've heard it here we're fu--edIts this type of post that gets me going, someone claiming to be in the know, "youve heard it here first"
etc.
Giving us hope during bad times like during that whole admin process. And look how that turned out.
Is losing higgs centre over 12 grand a bluff, sisu have more surprises to come anyone see a trend here? Were in freefall we could be finished mid season if it suited sisu
In my humble opinion . I think that Sisu are channelling as much as they can into their "lowest companies" in the tangled web , that is Sisu . CCFC will not exist soon as they will liquidate Ccfc holdings etc etc. Getting rid of debt from other companies is there aim IMO. At the end of the day , no company can survive the catastrophic loss of turnover that is going to occur this coming season. The reason will be "The Fans Never Supported Us" . Mark my words CCFC will cease to exist soon while Joy and Co will be slapping each other on the back for a job well done in getting rid if so much imaginary debt.
ACL need the cash big time, it will take the £500k, it's already been agreed by the ACL board
Listen stop discussing if you will attend the games at Northampton or not, it will never happen. It's all a bluff from SISU to get ACL into a postion of weakness and then issue their terms for return to the Ricoh..... SISU are master negotiators and have ACL running scared. SISU have had ACL over at every turn...I'm convinced CCFC will be playing at the Ricoh on SISU's terms for the first home game of the season.... You heard it here!
Rubbish.
Mischievous, cynical and hurtful post. Why people, who claim to be part of the SBA, put wholly untrue posts on here I will never understand.
Whoever Mr Creosote is, he or she should be taken off this forum. Nobody can have a problem with people who have different opinions and argue their point but to post something that is an outright lie is beneath contempt.
The question is what is the motive behind a post such as this?
Rubbish.
Mischievous, cynical and hurtful post. Why people, who claim to be part of the SBA, put wholly untrue posts on here I will never understand.
Whoever Mr Creosote is, he or she should be taken off this forum. Nobody can have a problem with people who have different opinions and argue their point but to post something that is an outright lie is beneath contempt.
The question is what is the motive behind a post such as this?
How many more times?
The arena is only unprofitable because it is limited in its usage due to the league requirements to be available exclusively to the club throughout the season!
Floorspace available if pitch removed could bring in £1m per exhibition! A roof will be fitted if sisu go down the route of moving away!
Why else do you think they even considered buying the club in the first place!
Why else do you think they have been running down the team?
There is no money to be made in a league 1 team, there is an immense amount of money in an exhibition centre!
Just look at the O2 & the NEC!
My best guess, sisu will refuse this season, and will play gamesat NENE Park. Their game plan is to distress ACL into believing they cannot survive without the football club.
Slight problem, is ACL have looked into the figures and realised they can and will survive without the club!
Sisu are counting on the rabid loyalty of fans to put pressure on ACL and the council to do a deal to bring sisu back and sell to them at a discount!
Everything they have done has lead to this plan of attack. It is so blatantly transparent I just cannot believe some people just cannot see it!
ACL hold all the cards. Sisu have just one.
Sisu are bluffing, they are infamous for this. They did ity from day one!
Just look how they left it literally to the last hour! They do this all the time. They have absolutely no interest in the club, all they want is the arena!
It is so amusing how people come on here claiming they are so knowledgeable and how ACL cannot make a profit without the club.
Do they not realise they made a profit last year and didn't gt a penny from the club!
Just one additional exhibition will pay a years rent at the current rent!
How many more times?
The arena is only unprofitable because it is limited in its usage due to the league requirements to be available exclusively to the club throughout the season!
Floorspace available if pitch removed could bring in £1m per exhibition! A roof will be fitted if sisu go down the route of moving away!
Why else do you think they even considered buying the club in the first place!
Why else do you think they have been running down the team?
There is no money to be made in a league 1 team, there is an immense amount of money in an exhibition centre!
Just look at the O2 & the NEC!
My best guess, sisu will refuse this season, and will play gamesat NENE Park. Their game plan is to distress ACL into believing they cannot survive without the football club.
Slight problem, is ACL have looked into the figures and realised they can and will survive without the club!
Sisu are counting on the rabid loyalty of fans to put pressure on ACL and the council to do a deal to bring sisu back and sell to them at a discount!
Everything they have done has lead to this plan of attack. It is so blatantly transparent I just cannot believe some people just cannot see it!
ACL hold all the cards. Sisu have just one.
Sisu are bluffing, they are infamous for this. They did ity from day one!
Just look how they left it literally to the last hour! They do this all the time. They have absolutely no interest in the club, all they want is the arena!
It is so amusing how people come on here claiming they are so knowledgeable and how ACL cannot make a profit without the club.
Do they not realise they made a profit last year and didn't gt a penny from the club!
Just one additional exhibition will pay a years rent at the current rent!
Some very good points.
Joy is the best poker player on the block!!!!
Yeah right the council and a charity are going to make an offer (serious one, not for information purposes) for the club. Are you serious? The charity commission would likely crucify a charity that did that, let alone what the council would face. I've just checked and it isn't April the 1st. If SISU did leave and build the White Elephant stadium ACL would just look at other uses for the pitch area or other sporting clubs to use it.You are correct it is all bluff and SISU and ACL or ACL's investors will do a deal very soon. Where you are very wrong though is that ACL do very much need the club. It can make a very small profit without the club now, but do you think the sponsors will renew? Do you think the venue is attractive for events with a big green field? No of course not the businesses need each other... I believe SISU are holding out for ACL's investors to make an offer for the club. Also there is no way ACL and the council will put the club into liquidation, that's political suicide for the council, so ACL will accept the £500k... Get real this is the only outcome, it's just a case of who blinks first, and to date it's always ACL that get it wrong. Joy is the best poker player on the block!!!!
You are correct it is all bluff and SISU and ACL or ACL's investors will do a deal very soon. Where you are very wrong though is that ACL do very much need the club. It can make a very small profit without the club now, but do you think the sponsors will renew? Do you think the venue is attractive for events with a big green field? No of course not the businesses need each other... I believe SISU are holding out for ACL's investors to make an offer for the club. Also there is no way ACL and the council will put the club into liquidation, that's political suicide for the council, so ACL will accept the £500k... Get real this is the only outcome, it's just a case of who blinks first, and to date it's always ACL that get it wrong. Joy is the best poker player on the block!!!!
In my humble opinion . I think that Sisu are channelling as much as they can into their "lowest companies" in the tangled web , that is Sisu . CCFC will not exist soon as they will liquidate Ccfc holdings etc etc. Getting rid of debt from other companies is there aim IMO. At the end of the day , no company can survive the catastrophic loss of turnover that is going to occur this coming season. The reason will be "The Fans Never Supported Us" . Mark my words CCFC will cease to exist soon while Joy and Co will be slapping each other on the back for a job well done in getting rid if so much imaginary debt.
I think things are at a turning point for ACL. It is quite clear they want CCFC to play at the Ricoh - plenty of evidence to support it, statements, offers to administrator, the appointment of the groundsman, the costs of renovating the pitch etc. My query would be is that want really an absolute need and as yet I am not convinced it is.
SISU rely on the fact that ACL need 23 to 26 days of income from a football club. That creates approx 250K in footfall for the arena and its tenants in a year. I was told that in the last 9 weeks footfall has been over 100K. Why do I mention footfall well that is what all the occupants of the arena are looking for. Footfall equates directly to income
Other tenants especially the casino are struggling because the club is not there? really? The Casino has based their business plan on 23 days of football attendance have they ? I also think people forget the present owners stepped in for the previous owners and got a good deal that makes their operation very viable.
Compass must be upset because they are not getting the return they paid for? I think people entirely misunderstand the set up. Compass have a contract with IEC but also own part of IEC. The biggest cost for Compass & IEC is the staff, which is based on an agency situation ie they pay most staff only when they need them so can adjust to meet need. Then factor in that CCFC now equates to less than 10% of the turnover at the Ricoh and that margins are far greater on exhibition, conference or concerts than it is on football income.
Football is the thing that makes ACL profitable? really ?
I think that people assume there has to be a league club based there - but does there have to be? Seems to me that by one way or another the Ricoh has to increase footfall over a year by 5000 people per week to cover the effect of losing the football club. In fact if margins are better on other income then the footfall does not need to be that big to cover the "profit" lost.
Just because TF shouts that ACL are a poor business that it is about to fail etc does not make it so. He has said a whole lot of other things that have out not to be not quite the way it is hasnt he ? Why would he want that image to stick, who else would hear it - potential ACL clients perhaps who would be interested in say one off bookings of the stadium?
SISU need ACL to be keeping the stadium available for use by CCFC because it stops them selling the space for other uses. (it doesnt stop them putting on other events in the Jaguar etc though even on match days - I think the Davis Cup proved something about putting events on at same time as a CCFC match for example). ACL have to keep the stadium available for CCFC to use have not taken bookings of the arena for match days, at some point that changes - it has to. When that change happens then what way back is there for CCFC, especially if they have committed to a groundshare at another ground (to try weaken and distress ACL which to my mind is the only reason that makes sense for doing it)
I think we should all keep an open mind on all this. Maybe think outside the box a little TF might be right in his assessment of ACL but from what I see I do not see that as a given at all. If the Ricoh cuts itself loose from reliance on football (a stated aim in its last set of accounts) then that could well open up other opportunities that means the boot is not on the SISU foot at all.
The emotional tie is to keep CCFC at the Ricoh....... that does not necessarily mean it is the commercial decision.
I am sure some will disagree with the above as is their right but i do not think things are as clear cut as many think and i am certainly not prepared to rely on the utterances of the likes of TF as evidence that ACL is a bad business and nailed on to fail without ccfc
They showed a profit last year because the creditors showed to be 1.8 million! Remove that because of the administration of CCFC then their books look pretty damn poor if you ask me . They are only allowed to hold more than 6 concerts a year because of the noise abatement laws, do you think they could become a creditable completion for the NEC overnight? Where do they get the money from to develop the stadium and put a roof over it ? No bank will give them anything because of the Yorkshire Bank debacle! Compass are starting to put pressure on them RICOH are putting pressure on them , i am not a SISU supporter far from it but they are damaging ACL quite badly they are despicable people of the 1st orderHow many more times?
The arena is only unprofitable because it is limited in its usage due to the league requirements to be available exclusively to the club throughout the season!
Floorspace available if pitch removed could bring in £1m per exhibition! A roof will be fitted if sisu go down the route of moving away!
Why else do you think they even considered buying the club in the first place!
Why else do you think they have been running down the team?
There is no money to be made in a league 1 team, there is an immense amount of money in an exhibition centre!
Just look at the O2 & the NEC!
My best guess, sisu will refuse this season, and will play gamesat NENE Park. Their game plan is to distress ACL into believing they cannot survive without the football club.
Slight problem, is ACL have looked into the figures and realised they can and will survive without the club!
Sisu are counting on the rabid loyalty of fans to put pressure on ACL and the council to do a deal to bring sisu back and sell to them at a discount!
Everything they have done has lead to this plan of attack. It is so blatantly transparent I just cannot believe some people just cannot see it!
ACL hold all the cards. Sisu have just one.
Sisu are bluffing, they are infamous for this. They did ity from day one!
Just look how they left it literally to the last hour! They do this all the time. They have absolutely no interest in the club, all they want is the arena!
It is so amusing how people come on here claiming they are so knowledgeable and how ACL cannot make a profit without the club.
Do they not realise they made a profit last year and didn't gt a penny from the club!
Just one additional exhibition will pay a years rent at the current rent!
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