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It’s a new day it’s a new dawn (1 Viewer)

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clint van damme

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #211
PVA said:
It's amazing to see some of the revisionism around Robins.

7 years of success and apparently it was all in spite of Robins and just down to various instances of luck and good fortune.
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You'd think we'd be flying with the burden removed
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #212
Evo1883 said:
And yet sakamoto is playing now with MVE and the form is shite ?
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Er I said 3 together?
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #213
Evo1883 said:
They talk shit , every manager has an assistant , every manager has coaches .

Robins is no different and last season we had a poor start even when adi and Lawrence were here , again proving our fans talk waffle

You could argue with them all day
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The funny thing is they come up with all those reasons why Robins actually wasn't that good, whilst at the same time dismissing Lampard's previous failures as outside of his control and not his fault.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #214
PVA said:
The funny thing is they come up with all those reasons why Robins actually wasn't that good, whilst at the same time dismissing Lampard's previous failures as outside of his control and not his fault.
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It's batshit mental.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #215
Oh dear someone is playing to the gallery
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #216
clint van damme said:
Again, it's the hypocrisy that some are applying, I totally agree about ignoring him, I get that he probably felt he had to big up the playing squad but its ignore something said to the local media when it suits, but take other stuff as gospel when it suits
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There’s hypocrisy on both sides of the argument and you’re better off taking everything King says with a pinch of salt.
 

skybluecam

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #217
This thread is an all time stinker tbf, trying to gloat after 4 games and then we turn in an awful performance on our next run out.
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #218
clint van damme said:
It's batshit mental.
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No one can judge anyone until they can recruit their own players
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #219
clint van damme said:
It's batshit mental.
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The mental gymnastics are incredible.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #220
Grendel said:
No one can judge anyone until they can recruit their own players
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What so no new manager bounce and automatic promotion form ?
What a difference a few days make eh
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #221
Perennial Lurker said:
What so no new manager bounce and automatic promotion form ?
What a difference a few days make eh
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If we do win against Plymouth that’s 10 points in 5 games when we were averaging slightly more than a point a game previously
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #222
Grendel said:
If we do win against Plymouth that’s 10 points in 5 games when we were averaging slightly more than a point a game previously
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But if we dont then we wait till after a few transfer windows ?
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #223
Perennial Lurker said:
But if we dont then we wait till after a few transfer windows ?
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We aren’t going anywhere this season. Staying in the league is it. If we do win we have won 3 games in 5 having won 4 in 17.

We need significant changes next season in a lot of areas
 

Captain Dart

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #224
Grendel said:
We aren’t going anywhere this season. Staying in the league is it. If we do win we have won 3 games in 5 having won 4 in 17.

We need significant changes next season in a lot of areas
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I can see there being a rebuild but to do that some assets have to be sold. That means one or more of Sheaf, vanEwijk and Wright will go and I hope we will seek upgrades for DaSilva and Collins. It's so disappointing this season that we're only treading water, it's going to result in a significant drop in season ticket sales.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #225
Captain Dart said:
I can see there being a rebuild but to do that some assets have to be sold. That means one or more of Sheaf, vanEwijk and Wright will go and I hope we will seek upgrades for DaSilva and Collins. It's so disappointing this season that we're only treading water, it's going to result in a significant drop in season ticket sales.
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Can see a significant drop off in the " Doug King is god " t-shirt sales too
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #226
Grendel said:
If we do win against Plymouth that’s 10 points in 5 games when we were averaging slightly more than a point a game previously
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Chris1987

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #227
Ccfcisparks said:
He did, but he’s had history turning us around.
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How many games into a season do you wait for the turnaround? He had Adil & Lawrence in the previous seasons. He looked bereft of ideas this season. What's gone before doesn't imply that it will happen repeatedly in the future if the variables alter significantly which they had.
 

Chris1987

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #228
Evo1883 said:
They talk shit , every manager has an assistant , every manager has coaches .

Robins is no different and last season we had a poor start even when adi and Lawrence were here , again proving our fans talk waffle

You could argue with them all day
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You are deliberately missing the point and twisting things which have been said. Adi & Lawrence were here as part of the managerial team which turned things round. To conveniently just mention the poor start bit solely with reference to Adi & Lawrence is deliberately misleading.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #229
skybluecam said:
This thread is an all time stinker tbf, trying to gloat after 4 games and then we turn in an awful performance on our next run out.
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You were literally gloating after the hull game
 

Great_Expectations

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #230
What is clear with the ‘new dawn’ is the disconnect between club, players, fans is increasing.

That’s not something I expected to be saying after recent years.
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #231
Great_Expectations said:
What is clear with the ‘new dawn’ is the disconnect between club, players, fans is increasing.

That’s not something I expected to be saying after recent years.
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Unfortunately it wasn’t ever likely to last. Miraculous it lasted as long as it did.
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #232
There is so much gaslighting going on by people with agendas.

Lampard is not the man. Nothing has changed under his leadership and we need to stop kidding ourselves that these players are all L2 wasters. We haven’t seen a single shred of improvement in any area. We’re in zero danger of relegation, never were- what’s probably going to happen now is we’ll just drift along and finish up lower mid table.

The people who wanted Robins out will then claim that’s a ‘good achievement’, and that we were certs to go down had he not gone, and we’ll spend until about this time next year kidding ourselves things will turn, but they won’t and we’ll be straight back on the managerial merry go round.

I am desperate for Lampard to get it right, because we stand to lose all the momentum which took 7 years to build, but head over heart if we’re honest we can all see where this is heading.
 
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Jamesimus

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #233
Ring Of Steel said:
There is so much gaslighting going on by people with agendas.

Lampard is not the man. Nothing has changed under his leadership and we need to stop kidding ourselves that these players are all L2 wasters. We haven’t seen a single shred of improvement in any area. We’re in zero danger of relegation, never were- what’s probably going to happen now is we’ll just drift along and finish up lower mid table.

The people who wanted Robins out will then claim that’s a ‘good achievement’, and that we were certs to go down had he not gone, and we’ll spend until about this time next year kidding ourselves things will turn, but they won’t and we’ll be straight back on the managerial merry go round.

I am desperate for Lampard to get it right, because we stand to lose all the momentum which took 7 years to build, but head over heart if we’re honest we can all see where this is heading.
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I don’t think I have an agenda, but I think it’s a bit early to dismiss Lampard. Do you not?
 
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skybluecam

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #234
Ccfcisparks said:
You were literally gloating after the hull game
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Tongue in cheek
 
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Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #235
Grendel said:
No one can judge anyone until they can recruit their own players
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You can judge the starting lineup on Boxing Day

I would expect at the very least Collins and Da Silva dropped and if that doesn't happen then it needs to be questioned
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #236
Wyken Sky Blue said:
You can judge the starting lineup on Boxing Day

I would expect at the very least Collins and Da Silva dropped and if that doesn't happen then it needs to be questioned
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Collins starting apparently
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #237
Ccfcisparks said:
Collins starting apparently
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Based on what?
 

Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #238
Ccfcisparks said:
Collins starting apparently
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How do you know?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #239
Ring Of Steel said:
There is so much gaslighting going on by people with agendas.
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Ring Of Steel said:
Lampard is not the man.
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Ring Of Steel said:
I am desperate for Lampard to get it right
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Right.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #240
Ccfcisparks said:
Collins starting apparently
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christmas in the toilet already
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #241
Sick Boy said:
Right.
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Wouldn’t matter who was in charge, I will support them. I can also say whether I think they’re good enough. I will support Lampard (don’t forget, I’m one of those “happy clappers” that get the piss taken out of them for being too optimistic), but so far we’ve seen zilch to justify making a change. It’s not hard to understand.
 

skybluecam

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #242
Ring Of Steel said:
Wouldn’t matter who was in charge, I will support them. I can also say whether I think they’re good enough. I will support Lampard (don’t forget, I’m one of those “happy clappers” that get the piss taken out of them for being too optimistic), but so far we’ve seen zilch to justify making a change. It’s not hard to understand.
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We’ve seen changes. Whether they justify the decision is a matter of opinion but it’s not like nothing has changed.
 
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Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #243
skybluecam said:
We’ve seen changes. Whether they justify the decision is a matter of opinion but it’s not like nothing has changed.
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How is it not like nothing has changed, having seen that match against Portsmouth? There’s a genuine case for saying it’s got worse.

It is about opinions though, you’re right. Looking back at it I think I’d have rather seen Chris Ramsey become assistant and leave Robins in, but that’s long gone now and we have no choice but to really support Lampard- but it’s alarming to see how nothing has got better, I know it’s only a few games but.. anyway we’ll see.
 
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Viktor17

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #244
Ring Of Steel said:
There is so much gaslighting going on by people with agendas.

Lampard is not the man. Nothing has changed under his leadership and we need to stop kidding ourselves that these players are all L2 wasters. We haven’t seen a single shred of improvement in any area. We’re in zero danger of relegation, never were- what’s probably going to happen now is we’ll just drift along and finish up lower mid table.

The people who wanted Robins out will then claim that’s a ‘good achievement’, and that we were certs to go down had he not gone, and we’ll spend until about this time next year kidding ourselves things will turn, but they won’t and we’ll be straight back on the managerial merry go round.

I am desperate for Lampard to get it right, because we stand to lose all the momentum which took 7 years to build, but head over heart if we’re honest we can all see where this is heading.
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your last line is my deep concern.

We all want FL to do well, but must admit im trying myself to be really positive, because in the back of my head, like your last line - I fear where this is going and that 7 years of utter blood sweat and tears is going up in smoke.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #245
Far too early to start talking about Lampard as a failure in my opinion, he needs time.

However I think anyone saying there's been improvement is deluding themselves, but he needs a lot longer than 5 or 6 games before anyone can make an accurate assessment on his tenure.

For me he needs to do two things, make us hard to beat, even if that means sacrificing any notions of attractive football in the short term, and he needs to get some experience in the team, particularly though the spine (CB and CM)
 
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