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Grendel

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  • Dec 22, 2024
  • #176
Last season

First 15 games we had 15 points

Next 16 games we had 30 points

Next 15 games we had 19 points
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 22, 2024
  • #177
Otis said:
And?

We aren't even half way into the season yet and many are already saying that MVE looks tired, as an example.

Just because the squad was bigger last year, means nothing. It was clear as day that the squad was jaded and tired. And we did have the cup run too.

If we don't bring in some players in Jan, I can well see this squad suffering the same fate.

Already seems pretty clear that Eccles and Torp struggle to play 90 mins a lot of the time.
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The squad from last season that everyone is hyping up finished nowhere near the playoffs, and this season’s squad is smaller, less experienced and has fewer proven difference-makers.

The idea of this season being a success was predicated on the idea that we didn’t need to strengthen the squad and that the core group signed last season would all individually kick on and go to the next level. It didn’t happen, and that’s partly because the players in question simply aren’t as good as they were hyped up to be.
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 22, 2024
  • #178
We're a laughing stock
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 22, 2024
  • #179
Evo1883 said:
We're a laughing stock
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Get that on the dressing room wall for the return fixture
 
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covcity4life

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  • Dec 22, 2024
  • #180
Evo1883 said:
We're a laughing stock
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Who gives a fuck about their (or ours tbf) social media page?

Lampard isn't some clown celebrity we have hired. Others will realise that in time
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Dec 22, 2024
  • #181
covcity4life said:
Who gives a fuck about their (or ours tbf) social media page?

Lampard isn't some clown celebrity we have hired. Others will realise that in time
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He is a "name " manager which DK wanted
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 22, 2024
  • #182
Perennial Lurker said:
He is a "name " manager which DK wanted
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Yep - this is literally what we signed up for.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Dec 22, 2024
  • #183
Perennial Lurker said:
He is a "name " manager which DK wanted
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And how do you know this?

And also even if he was hired for his name it doesn't appear that's all he has to offer us so not really something for fans to worry about
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #184
clint van damme said:
Which is far better than where we are now.
But the majority of this squad also produced top 6 form for over a 3rd of a season.
You'd think a top 6 deck with elite level coaches should be able to replicate that and keep it going over a more sustained period so it will be disappointing if that doesn't happen.
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The other main reason aside from o hare was the standard of opposition was poorer in that period
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #185
Grendel said:
The other main reason aside from o hare was the standard of opposition was poorer in that period
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We beat Leicester, Leeds and an EPL team so I'm not sure they were all poorer.
And plenty on here are saying this years Chsmpionship is very poor though I'm not sure how accurately you can quantify these things.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #186
clint van damme said:
We beat Leicester, Leeds and an EPL team so I'm not sure they were all poorer.
And plenty on here are saying this years Chsmpionship is very poor though I'm not sure how accurately you can quantify these things.
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Beating Leicester, Leeds and Wolves

or
losing to Portsmouth, scraping past Hull and drawing at Cardiff.

I know which I’d pick.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #187
Ccfcisparks said:
Beating Leicester, Leeds and Wolves

or
losing to Portsmouth, scraping past Hull and drawing at Cardiff.

I know which I’d pick.
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Robins played his part in us ending up in this position, it's why he ended up losing his job.
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #188
clint van damme said:
We beat Leicester, Leeds and an EPL team so I'm not sure they were all poorer.
And plenty on here are saying this years Chsmpionship is very poor though I'm not sure how accurately you can quantify these things.
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Over the season our record was abysmal - I believe 5 wins against top half all season.

We beat the worse teams consistently.

So the general weight of fixtures then were against teams in the lower half
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #189
Sick Boy said:
Robins played his part in us ending up in this position, it's why he ended up losing his job.
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He did, but he’s had history turning us around.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #190
Sick Boy said:
Robins played his part in us ending up in this position, it's why he ended up losing his job.
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He has.
But it's undeniable, though people try, that he had this squad, or very near to this squad playing well for over 3 months.
If we've now brought in an 'elite level' coach, we should start to see that replicated very soon.

People can't keep giving passes to all and sundry and blaming Robins forever.

Saturday was as bad as I can remember.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #191
clint van damme said:
He has.
But it's undeniable, though people try, that he had this squad, or very near to this squad playing well for over 3 months.
If we've now brought in an 'elite level' coach, we should start to see that replicated very soon.

People can't keep giving passes to all and sundry and blaming Robins forever.

Saturday was as bad as I can remember.
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Exactly.

the squad we have should be enough to put in a performance better than what we saw at Portsmouth.

The fact is our “elite tactician” started Collins and JDS and that was our downfall
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #192
Grendel said:
Over the season our record was abysmal - I believe 5 wins against top half all season.

We beat the worse teams consistently.

So the general weight of fixtures then were against teams in the lower half
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We finished 9th, not what we hoped for but hardly disastrous
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #193
clint van damme said:
He has.
But it's undeniable, though people try, that he had this squad, or very near to this squad playing well for over 3 months.
If we've now brought in an 'elite level' coach, we should start to see that replicated very soon.

People can't keep giving passes to all and sundry and blaming Robins forever.

Saturday was as bad as I can remember.
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You keep saying the 3 months but when people include the downturn in results last season towards the end you say it doesn’t count
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #194
Grendel said:
You keep saying the 3 months but when people include the downturn in results last season towards the end you say it doesn’t count
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Well I don't think it should, but then you also have people saying don't include the cup!

But if we do include the poor run of results towards the end of last season and the 14 games Robins had this season then what are we talking, 21, 22 games?

If that's the standard then Lampard is already on thin ice and needs to start turning things round.

That's not my take, I want him to be given time but if that's the standard the Robins out brigade are holding managers to then he needs to improve things fast or they'll be after his head, unless they just had some weird agenda against a very succesful manager.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #195
clint van damme said:
Well I don't think it should, but then you also have people saying don't include the cup!

But if we do include the poor run of results towards the end of last season and the 14 games Robins had this season then what are we talking, 21, 22 games?

If that's the standard then Lampard is already on thin ice and needs to start turning things round.

That's not my take, I want him to be given time but if that's the standard the Robins out brigade are holding managers to then he needs to improve things fast or they'll be after his head, unless they just had some weird agenda against a very succesful manager.
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It’s obvious lampard will not be fired by then and be given more time and you kkow

Robins built his success on a tight group of players that have now gone. His favoured back room where he got the success have gone.

We have players signed on long contracts who are depreciating badly

Any other club would have dispensed with him for the downturn and the other factors.
 

Jamesimus

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #196
Grendel said:
We have players signed on long contracts who are depreciating badly
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This is one of my bigger concerns. Made some high profile / relatively expensive signings and at the moment for the majority of them, we look far off even recouping the money we paid.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #197
Grendel said:
It’s obvious lampard will not be fired by then and be given more time and you kkow

Robins built his success on a tight group of players that have now gone. His favoured back room where he got the success have gone.

We have players signed on long contracts who are depreciating badly

Any other club would have dispensed with him for the downturn and the other factors.
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I never said Lampard wouldn't be given time.
I said if the Robins out brigade are being consistent they'll be calling for his head if things don't improve soon.

And as for the players, top 6 deck apparently
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #198
clint van damme said:
I never said Lampard wouldn't be given time.
I said if the Robins out brigade are being consistent they'll be calling for his head if things don't improve soon.

And as for the players, top 6 deck apparently
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It’s not the same and the only ones who will call for his head are those who won’t let go of Robins through pure sentiment
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #199
clint van damme said:
He has.
But it's undeniable, though people try, that he had this squad, or very near to this squad playing well for over 3 months.
If we've now brought in an 'elite level' coach, we should start to see that replicated very soon.

People can't keep giving passes to all and sundry and blaming Robins forever.

Saturday was as bad as I can remember.
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It’s a squad that Robins has built rather than Lampard. I did say at the time though that the lack of experience in the side would hinder us, which by the sounds of it comes down the King.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #200
Grendel said:
It’s not the same and the only ones who will call for his head are those who won’t let go of Robins through pure sentiment
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It is the same, based on everything that's been said, those people should judge him by the same standards.

King has already made Lampards life difficult with his bluster, top 6 deck, premier league fit, have to be on 26 points by Christmas, man's an arse.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #201
clint van damme said:
I never said Lampard wouldn't be given time.
I said if the Robins out brigade are being consistent they'll be calling for his head if things don't improve soon.

And as for the players, top 6 deck apparently
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For consistency Lampard should also be given 6 months to ‘gel’ then.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #202
clint van damme said:
King has already made Lampards life difficult with his bluster, top 6 deck, premier league fit, have to be on 26 points by Christmas, man's an arse.
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It’s best to ignore this nonsense. The sooner a DoF is brought in the better.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #203
Sick Boy said:
For consistency Lampard should also be given 6 months to ‘gel’ then.
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He should be given longer in my book. I don't want us to start burning through managers again.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of some on here.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #204
Sick Boy said:
It’s best to ignore this nonsense. The sooner a DoF is brought in the better.
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Again, it's the hypocrisy that some are applying, I totally agree about ignoring him, I get that he probably felt he had to big up the playing squad but its ignore something said to the local media when it suits, but take other stuff as gospel when it suits
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #205
clint van damme said:
I never said Lampard wouldn't be given time.
I said if the Robins out brigade are being consistent they'll be calling for his head if things don't improve soon.

And as for the players, top 6 deck apparently
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The other thing regarding this “something went wrong” after we had a great run of results as if there is a mystery was partly down to Sakamoto and his injury

He O Hare and MVE dominated possession and created movement. Once he went injured the form died.

Simms had his only run of scoring form as well. I think he’s only scored in 11 league games in around 60 appearances- no evidence that’s ever coming back

I think Kitching played in a fair few of those games as well
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #206
Grendel said:
The other thing regarding this “something went wrong” after we had a great run of results as if there is a mystery was partly down to Sakamoto and his injury

He O Hare and MVE dominated possession and created movement. Once he went injured the form died.

Simms had his only run of scoring form as well. I think he’s only scored in 11 league games in around 60 appearances- no evidence that’s ever coming back

I think Kitching played in a fair few of those games as well
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Well I'd agree with all of that, though I still think we could get a tune out ofSimns
There's clearly a bigger issue at play regarding Kitching.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #207
Grendel said:
The other thing regarding this “something went wrong” after we had a great run of results as if there is a mystery was partly down to Sakamoto and his injury

He O Hare and MVE dominated possession and created movement. Once he went injured the form died.

Simms had his only run of scoring form as well. I think he’s only scored in 11 league games in around 60 appearances- no evidence that’s ever coming back

I think Kitching played in a fair few of those games as well
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And yet sakamoto is playing now with MVE and the form is shite ?
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #208
It's amazing to see some of the revisionism around Robins.

7 years of success and apparently it was all in spite of Robins and just down to various instances of luck and good fortune.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #209
Grendel said:
It’s not the same and the only ones who will call for his head are those who won’t let go of Robins through pure sentiment
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I look forward to you backing lampard through the bad times mate
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 23, 2024
  • #210
PVA said:
It's amazing to see some of the revisionism around Robins.

7 years of success and apparently it was all in spite of Robins and just down to various instances of luck and good fortune.
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They talk shit , every manager has an assistant , every manager has coaches .

Robins is no different and last season we had a poor start even when adi and Lawrence were here , again proving our fans talk waffle

You could argue with them all day
 
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