Israel - Palestinian Conflict (10 Viewers)

[PVA]

Has the origin of the missile been verified?

I don't know but the US aren't denying responsibility:

Capt Tim Hawkins, the spokesperson for US Central Command, said the US was “aware of reports concerning civilian harm resulting from ongoing military operations. We take these reports seriously and are looking into them”.

 

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[SBT]

This sudden profound concern for the plight of ordinary Iranians is interesting given how various countries have moved to crack down on Iranian immigration in recent months.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Millions of refugees

Already a shit show

 

[skybluetony176]

Oil prices rose 10% this morning. Expect that to hit the pumps anytime soon.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Netanyahu and trump warmongers especially the former

 

[SBT]

I hardly think Palestine will threaten my pension through instability or airport security for any holidays I take

Would love to hear how many scholars of foreign policy don’t think there have been any security or financial implications from what’s happened in Gaza.

 

[Grendel]

Would love to hear how many scholars of foreign policy don’t think there have been any security or financial implications from what’s happened in Gaza.

What financial implications have there been from your perspective in terms of stock market activity that you could directly attribute to Gaza? I don’t think security risk ratings have increased but you can correct that if you have any indicators?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What financial implications have there been from your perspective in terms of stock market activity that you could directly attribute to Gaza? I don’t think security risk ratings have increased but you can correct that if you have any indicators?

This issue only bothers you as you personally would benefit from it

Hmmm

 

[SBT]

What financial implications have there been from your perspective in terms of stock market activity that you could directly attribute to Gaza? I don’t think security risk ratings have increased but you can correct that if you have any indicators?

In the UK? Intelligence agencies have said the Gaza issue has been a direct cause of terror attacks at home. There were brief energy price spikes, gold has surged as a safe haven. I wouldn’t say it’s been financial meltdown in the UK.

But I would also go out on a limb and say the regional war currently playing out in the Middle East which is sending the cost of oil 10% higher and seeing British bases in Cyprus coming under attack probably also had something to do with the Gaza situation?

 

[Grendel]

In the UK? Intelligence agencies have said the Gaza issue has been a direct cause of terror attacks at home. There were brief energy price spikes, gold has surged as a safe haven. I wouldn’t say it’s been financial meltdown in the UK.

But I would also go out on a limb and say the regional war currently playing out in the Middle East which is sending the cost of oil 10% higher and seeing British bases in Cyprus coming under attack probably also had something to do with the Gaza situation?

Stocks have gone up by an average of 15% a year since then haven’t they on average?

I asked if the terror ratings have gone up?

 

[wingy]

Rachel Reeves is going to have to re consider her plans,tune in tomorrow at 8-30 to get Robert Jenricks break down on the exclusive!

 

[SBT]

Stocks have gone up by an average of 15% a year since then haven’t they on average?

I asked if the terror ratings have gone up?

Are stocks and terror ratings going up your only barometer of financial and security impacts? That’s quite a simplistic way of looking at the world isn’t it?

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Millions of refugees

Already a shit show

 

[wingy]

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I did hear of this side of Dubai when I was out there about 15 -20 years ago,influencer=Bonnie blue.

 

[duffer]

It's obvious that rather than condemning an illegal war, we've now been drawn into directly supporting it.

Starmer is dancing on the head of a pin when he talks about allowing the Americans to use our bases purely for 'defensive' purposes, when that 'defence' involves dropping bombs on Iran.

So we find ourselves, once again, drawn into a war in the middle East, by a PM willing to uncritically support the Americans in an illegal act.

Literally no one is cheerleading for the hideous regime in charge of Iran, but surely we've seen enough history to know that it's not going to be possible to bomb a country into some sort of model democracy.

It's far more likely that either a version of the current regime survives, but in an even more hateful and vengeful state, storing up trouble for the future, or that an enormous country descends into factionalism and civil war, with significant loss of life and huge numbers of people displaced.

 

[Grendel]

Are stocks and terror ratings going up your only barometer of financial and security impacts? That’s quite a simplistic way of looking at the world isn’t it?

Well so is gold prices and “brief energy spikes” pretty simplistic wouldn’t you say?

If you want to look at specific costs of war to the uk economy and if you have concerns I suggest you look a bit closer to home

The cost of propping up the failing Ukraine war effort to date and future commitments seems around £40 billion and Eu another £100 plus billion on top of that.

I would suggest also that energy costs are far more associated with the consequences of that conflict.

Major cyber attacks I’d assume have some of the kremlins fingerprints over them as well

 

[SBT]

Well so is gold prices and “brief energy spikes” pretty simplistic wouldn’t you say?

If you want to look at specific costs of war to the uk economy and if you have concerns I suggest you look a bit closer to home

The cost of propping up the failing Ukraine war effort to date and future commitments seems around £40 billion and Eu another £100 plus billion on top of that.

I would suggest also that energy costs are far more associated with the consequences of that conflict.

Major cyber attacks I’d assume have some of the kremlins fingerprints over them as well

I honestly didn’t think you’d have to resort to the whataboutism this quickly

My red hot take on the situation is that both Gaza and Ukraine have made impacts on life in the UK!

 

[rob9872]

Ok, so I've got myself a European Union flag, rainbow, trans, Palestine, Ukraine, ISIS and Green Party. Do I need to get myself an Iranian one? Worried if I don't have one that I'll be cancelled.

 

[Grendel]

It's obvious that rather than condemning an illegal war, we've now been drawn into directly supporting it.

Starmer is dancing on the head of a pin when he talks about allowing the Americans to use our bases purely for 'defensive' purposes, when that 'defence' involves dropping bombs on Iran.

So we find ourselves, once again, drawn into a war in the middle East, by a PM willing to uncritically support the Americans in an illegal act.

Literally no one is cheerleading for the hideous regime in charge of Iran, but surely we've seen enough history to know that it's not going to be possible to bomb a country into some sort of model democracy.

It's far more likely that either a version of the current regime survives, but in an even more hateful and vengeful state, storing up trouble for the future, or that an enormous country descends into factionalism and civil war, with significant loss of life and huge numbers of people displaced.

Fucking hell you are now doing an impersonation of that clown Polanski.

A UK Prime Minister is never going to condemn the actions of a western ally in that way - especially the US. Whoever was in charge they would do the same - unless it’s Polanski.

The notion the UK would reject its biggest allies requests - whatever it’s private reservations - is absurd

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Ok, so I've got myself a European Union flag, rainbow, trans, Palestine, Ukraine, ISIS and Green Party. Do I need to get myself an Iranian one? Worried if I don't have one that I'll be cancelled.

Have you got your England flag and Reform football shirt?

 

[Grendel]

I honestly didn’t think you’d have to resort to the whataboutism this quickly

My red hot take on the situation is that both Gaza and Ukraine have made impacts on life in the UK!

It’s not whataboutism - I don’t see any major impacts to the global or more specifically the UK economy over Israel’s actions in Gaza. I just don’t.

 

[rob9872]

Have you got your England flag and Reform football shirt?

On the way from some far east sweatshop made by modern slavery children. I'm hoping this new war doesn't delay my order.

 

[wingy]

On the way from some far east sweatshop made by modern slavery children. I'm hoping this new war doesn't delay my order.

Children,you mean they're not all been eaten yet,?

 

[CCFCSteve]

It's obvious that rather than condemning an illegal war, we've now been drawn into directly supporting it.

Starmer is dancing on the head of a pin when he talks about allowing the Americans to use our bases purely for 'defensive' purposes, when that 'defence' involves dropping bombs on Iran.

So we find ourselves, once again, drawn into a war in the middle East, by a PM willing to uncritically support the Americans in an illegal act.

Literally no one is cheerleading for the hideous regime in charge of Iran, but surely we've seen enough history to know that it's not going to be possible to bomb a country into some sort of model democracy.

It's far more likely that either a version of the current regime survives, but in an even more hateful and vengeful state, storing up trouble for the future, or that an enormous country descends into factionalism and civil war, with significant loss of life and huge numbers of people displaced.

Tough one for Starmer to be fair. Iran have been windmilling and hitting various allies and countries in the region where there’s decent number of Brits. If the decision to allow bases helps to support defence on attacks on those countries then it’s probably the right call. Not sure how anyone could ever tell if they’re used for defence or attack though

 

[Grendel]

Tough one for Starmer to be fair. Iran have been windmilling and hitting various allies and countries in the region where there’s decent number of Brits. If the decision to allow bases helps to support defence on attacks on those countries then it’s probably the right call. Not sure how anyone could ever tell if they’re used for defence or attack though

The notion a uk PM would condemn its biggest ally for an illegal action against a sworn enemy is just nonsense

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Tough one for Starmer to be fair. Iran have been windmilling and hitting various allies and countries in the region where there’s decent number of Brits. If the decision to allow bases helps to support defence on attacks on those countries then it’s probably the right call. Not sure how anyone could ever tell if they’re used for defence or attack though

It isn’t a tough one, what’s happening is wildly illegal and the aggressors involved are quoting almost exactly the same arguments used in 2003.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

It isn’t a tough one, what’s happening is wildly illegal and the aggressors involved are quoting almost exactly the same arguments used in 2003.

Its funny because the same people calling Blair a war mongerer, and asking for a trial at the Hague are not saying the same about Trump.

 

[CCFCSteve]

The notion a uk PM would condemn its biggest ally for an illegal action against a sworn enemy is just nonsense

Agreed. It’s never going to happen. Starmer is walking a tightrope and probably played it correctly so far

Carney, who we all know is having is his own battles with Trump, was far more full throated in his support of U.S. actions

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s funny because the same people calling Blair a war mongerer, and asking for a trial at the Hague are not saying the same about Trump.

Just nice to see mass murderers’ acceptability depends on how much money they bung to our politicians.

 

[Grendel]

It’s funny because the same people calling Blair a war mongerer, and asking for a trial at the Hague are not saying the same about Trump.

I’m sure they are!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Fucking hell you are now doing an impersonation of that clown Polanski.

A UK Prime Minister is never going to condemn the actions of a western ally in that way - especially the US. Whoever was in charge they would do the same - unless it’s Polanski.

The notion the UK would reject its biggest allies requests - whatever it’s private reservations - is absurd

USA wouldn’t think twice publicly chastising us for our actions
My confusion is around what do people think irans right to defend itself looks like?

 

[duffer]

Tough one for Starmer to be fair. Iran have been windmilling and hitting various allies and countries in the region where there’s decent number of Brits. If the decision to allow bases helps to support defence on attacks on those countries then it’s probably the right call. Not sure how anyone could ever tell if they’re used for defence or attack though

It's an easy one if you believe in upholding international law, and condemning those who breach it.

It's also easy to separate out attack from defence. If you're dropping bombs on someone, then by definition you're attacking them!

Iran wasn't actually attacking anyone with missiles or drones until Israel and America decided, in the middle of negotiations no less, to initiate a first strike. If you can't condemn that, then like Starmer, you can't pretend to genuinely believe in international law.

 

[Grendel]

It's an easy one if you believe in upholding international law, and condemning those who breach it.

It's also easy to separate out attack from defence. If you're dropping bombs on someone, then by definition you're attacking them!

Iran wasn't actually attacking anyone with missiles or drones until Israel and America decided, in the middle of negotiations no less, to initiate a first strike. If you can't condemn that, then like Starmer, you can't pretend to genuinely believe in international law.

Do Iran believe in international law?

Iran wasn’t attacking anyone? They state sponsor Hamas and Hezbollah FFS

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Do Iran believe in international law?

Iran wasn’t attacking anyone? They state sponsor Hamas and Hezbollah FFS

Why do you care about Hamas and Hezbollah?

 

[Grendel]

Why do you care about Hamas and Hezbollah?

And I’m accused of childish debate