Israel - Palestinian Conflict (17 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

I'm not sure why it's so hard for people to call out the bullshit that is going on in the world without constantly taking sides and drawing trenches all the time for some pretty detestable regimes. I don't see any good guys here.

Israel are like that drunk guy at the bar just windmiing everyone they can because they've got small man syndrome, and it's abhorrent. Not to say the October attacks themselves weren't awful however, and Hamas are also a bunch of cunts as well.

Iran is a country that is run by scumbags, and anyone feeling sympathy towards that regime, or Hezbollah for that matter, needs to have a word with themselves.

Additionally, Trump getting involved is a total joke too, and he's a moron for doing so. Think whatever you want of his supporters, but I doubt many wanted this.

Final thought: Some on here need to get educated with Biden's deals with Iran. Some of you are going on as if they were remotely respectable, probably cause he isn't Trump, but what he did there was embarrasing as well.


Get me to Ocean Beach.

No one on here has ever expressed sympathy for the Iranian regime or Hezbollah.

 

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[shmmeee]

No one on here has ever expressed sympathy for the Iranian regime or Hezbollah.

His new thing seems to be anyone who disagrees with him about how to solve something secretly wants it to happen.

Not joking but this is how people end up driving cars into crowds and assassinating politicians. They develop a black and white world view where huge chunks of the population are evil and therefore violence against them is justified.

We were talking about religion before. Modern social media mania seems to do similar things. Some kind of innate human need for some people to feel they’re in a biblical battle where they are fighting great evil forces.

 

[Bugsy]

Palestine action is to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation. That will make things interesting

Palestine Action 'to be banned' as terror group, home secretary says

The activist group will be proscribed by the government, meaning supporting or being a member of the organisation is now illegal. It comes after activists broke into RAF Brize Norton and damaged planes.

news.sky.com

 

[chiefdave]

Palestine action is to be proscribed as a terrorist organisation. That will make things interesting

Perfectly sums up Starmer really. Back when the same thing happening in 2003 protesting Iraq he defended the protesters.

Now he's spending his time banning protest groups and complaining about the Glastonbury line up while letting Israel commit genocide while we supply them with arms and training.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Perfectly sums up Starmer really. Back when the same thing happening in 2003 protesting Iraq he defended the protesters.

Now he's spending his time banning protest groups and complaining about the Glastonbury line up while letting Israel commit genocide while we supply them with arms and training

It’s an interesting escalation isn’t it?

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s an interesting escalation isn’t it?

He has zero principles.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He has zero principles.

So I’m sure that’s not true

 

[PVA]

Perfectly sums up Starmer really. Back when the same thing happening in 2003 protesting Iraq he defended the protesters.

Now he's spending his time banning protest groups and complaining about the Glastonbury line up while letting Israel commit genocide while we supply them with arms and training.

Was he defending the right to protest in 2003 or was he defending unlawful actions by protestors in 2003? Obviously there's a big difference.

I suspect it was the former, but I don't know.

If it was, then it's very different to this situation and you can't really compare.

 

[chiefdave]

Was he defending the right to protest in 2003 or was he defending unlawful actions by protestors in 2003? Obviously there's a big difference.

I suspect it was the former, but I don't know.

If it was, then it's very different to this situation and you can't really compare.

The Fairford Five was a group of five British peace protesters (Paul Milling, Margaret Jones, Phil Pritchard, Toby Olditch and Josh Richards) who broke into the RAF Fairford military air base in 2003 and disabled equipment in order to disrupt military operations at the start of the Iraq War. The group was given its name by supporters and by articles in the press reporting on the event and the judicial trials which followed. Two members of the group had previously been members of Trident Ploughshares. The case which followed resulted in the first occurrence of a High Court Judge being called upon to pronounce on the legality of a war.

 

[PVA]

@chiefdave wont let me quote/reply for some reason so tagging you instead.

Sorry my fault, when you said 'defended' I didn't realise you meant in a legal capacity, I thought you meant in a more general sense he supported the protests.

I guess that's a little different - e.g. if a QC defends a murderer it doesn't mean he supports murder!

I'm not sure these actions fit the terrorism description though, it's open to debate, so this does seem heavy handed I agree.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

@chiefdave wont let me quote/reply for some reason so tagging you instead.

Sorry my fault, when you said 'defended' I didn't realise you meant in a legal capacity, I thought you meant in a more general sense he supported the protests.

I guess that's a little different - e.g. if a QC defends a murderer it doesn't mean he supports murder!

I'm not sure these actions fit the terrorism description though, it's open to debate, so this does seem heavy handed I agree.

What Israel are doing in Gaza and the West Bank qualifies as terrorism but our wet lettuce of a PM supports them.

 

[chiefdave]

I'm not sure these actions fit the terrorism description though, it's open to debate, so this does seem heavy handed I agree.

I think it's a slippery slope and if you start restricting what protests are deemed acceptable what is allowed will become so restricted as to barely be noticeable.

There's occasions where protest needs to be disruptive, but I suspect those that often shout about free speech will stay quiet because it's not 'their side'.

I'm not sure a bit of spray painting is a high enough threshold for terrorism. In fact I'd be far more concerned about how easily they appear to have gained access.

 

[PVA]

What Israel are doing in Gaza and the West Bank qualifies as terrorism but our wet lettuce of a PM supports them.

I don't disagree.

 

[PVA]

There's occasions where protest needs to be disruptive

100% agree, just when you start targeting military/defence sites and equipment it starts getting a bit dicey and you're pushing your luck a bit!

 

[fernandopartridge]

@chiefdave wont let me quote/reply for some reason so tagging you instead.

Sorry my fault, when you said 'defended' I didn't realise you meant in a legal capacity, I thought you meant in a more general sense he supported the protests.

I guess that's a little different - e.g. if a QC defends a murderer it doesn't mean he supports murder!

I'm not sure these actions fit the terrorism description though, it's open to debate, so this does seem heavy handed I agree.

The actions of the Fairford Five were not considered terrorism at the time, the legal definition of terrorism is the same as it was then.

This is probably why the Labour Israel shills have decided to make PA a proscribed organisation.

 

[wingy]

I think it's a slippery slope and if you start restricting what protests are deemed acceptable what is allowed will become so restricted as to barely be noticeable.

There's occasions where protest needs to be disruptive, but I suspect those that often shout about free speech will stay quiet because it's not 'their side'.

I'm not sure a bit of spray painting is a high enough threshold for terrorism. In fact I'd be far more concerned about how easily they appear to have gained access.

It's exactly on message of what's allowed, only when we speak in Yiddish will it be acceptable on the farm!

 

[Sick Boy]

So I’m sure that’s not true

There’s an example above which demonstrates this perfectly.

 

[Ian1779]

It’s clear in Kier Starmer’s world that spray painting a plane is a more heinous crime that the deliberate massacre of a population.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Qatar have closed their airspace

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

Reports say Iran have attacked an American airbase in Syria.So far only News.AZ reporting it so may be false

 

[Sick Boy]

The war criminal Netanyahu has got his wish then.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The war criminal Netanyahu has got his wish then.

Life sure is easy when you declare yourself one of the ‘goodies’.

 

[David O'Day]

What on earth do people think is going to happen to groups that break into military bases and vandalise planes?

 

[Flying Fokker]

Qatar attacked.

https://x.com/WarMonitor3

 

[Saddlebrains]

Russia Ukraine, never gad the feeling it could lead to WW3

Same with the Isreal Palestine shit

Same with our invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, etc


This however, has all the ingredients...

 

[Grendel]

It’s clear in Kier Starmer’s world that spray painting a plane is a more heinous crime that the deliberate massacre of a population.

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If people invade a military airbase in any country there has to be very serious consequences

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If people invade a military airbase in any country there has to be very serious consequences

If people kill over 50,000 civilians while starving many more you'd imagine there has to be very serious consequences too. Clearly not.

 

[Grendel]

If people kill over 50,000 civilians while starving many more you'd imagine there has to be very serious consequences too. Clearly not.

Stop being a child.

 

[SBAndy]

The war criminal Netanyahu has got his wish then.

I read something earlier (source: random guy on Twitter) who suggested that the US attack and subsequent Iranian retaliation has been co-ordinated.

 

[Grendel]

Russia Ukraine, never gad the feeling it could lead to WW3

Same with the Isreal Palestine shit

Same with our invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, etc


This however, has all the ingredients...

It doesn’t. Iran gave notice they were bombing the US base so civilians could be moved. It’s a pathetic attempt to try and save face from a country no one will really defend. Even Russia and China are looking reluctant

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Stop being a child.

You dispute the facts?

 

[Grendel]

You dispute the facts?

There are no relatable facts are there.

The uk has jurisdiction over its own country and it’s a violation of our security.

It doesn’t have jurisdiction over other countries.

“pol pot killed millions of people. We did nothing so we shouldn’t do anything to anyone in the uk who commits crimes”

It’s pathetic

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There are no relatable facts are there.

The uk has jurisdiction over its own country and it’s a violation of our security.

It doesn’t have jurisdiction over other countries.

“pol pot killed millions of people. We did nothing so we shouldn’t do anything to anyone in the uk who commits crimes”

It’s pathetic

Trespassing the base is a crime, terrorism it is not.

 

[Ian1779]

If people invade a military airbase in any country there has to be very serious consequences

I accept that - but terrorism it most definitely is not.

 

[Grendel]

Trespassing the base is a crime, terrorism it is not.

Well I disagree and it seems you are defending an organisation which is a Palestine group who are trying to usurp democracy

If you think Palestine Action is not a terrorist group and keep defending it that’s going to put you as a supporter of a terrorist group.

Good luck