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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 9, 2023
  • #3,116
Kizz said:
Hamas now releasing videos of torturing and killing hostages...
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Should help
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Dec 9, 2023
  • #3,117
Sky Blue Pete said:
For every one of those deaths there are family members who are sworn to hold a grievance against the country that caused them
There is no violent solution
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There is always a violent solution to war. Depends if you are an adherent of Clausewitz.

What people forget is that Judaism doesn’t do the Christain “turn the other cheek”.

Judaism advocates an eye for an eye.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 10, 2023
  • #3,118
DrPoolittle said:
There is always a violent solution to war. Depends if you are an adherent of Clausewitz.

What people forget is that Judaism doesn’t do the Christain “turn the other cheek”.

Judaism advocates an eye for an eye.
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It’s currently at 12 eyes for an eye in this battle of the war
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 10, 2023
  • #3,119
DrPoolittle said:
There is always a violent solution to war. Depends if you are an adherent of Clausewitz.

What people forget is that Judaism doesn’t do the Christain “turn the other cheek”.

Judaism advocates an eye for an eye.
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As does The Bible.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 10, 2023
  • #3,120
Sick Boy said:
As does The Bible.
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Exodus IIRC.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 10, 2023
  • #3,121
skybluetony176 said:
Exodus IIRC.
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Great record,. Thanks Bob.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 10, 2023
  • #3,122
wingy said:
Great record,. Thanks Bob.
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duffer

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #3,123
DrPoolittle said:
There is always a violent solution to war. Depends if you are an adherent of Clausewitz.

What people forget is that Judaism doesn’t do the Christain “turn the other cheek”.

Judaism advocates an eye for an eye.
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I'm sorry, but that's not a very accurate take on Judaism. In fact it's dangerously close to an anti-Semitic trope, I'd argue.

The actions of the State of Israel in Gaza are, to my mind, unconscionable war crimes. But that doesn't mean that Jews or Judaism as a whole can be blamed.

Ditto Hamas and their hideousness, and the attempt (by certain factions) to hold Islam and all Muslims to blame.

An Eye For An Eye? - Reconstructing Judaism

וְאִ֕ישׁ כִּֽי־יִתֵּ֥ן מ֖וּם בַּעֲמִית֑וֹ כַּאֲשֶׁ֣ר עָשָׂ֔ה כֵּ֖ן יֵעָ֥שֶׂה לּֽוֹ׃ שֶׁ֚בֶר תַּ֣חַת שֶׁ֔בֶר עַ֚יִן תַּ֣חַת עַ֔יִן שֵׁ֖ן תַּ֣חַת שֵׁ֑ן כַּאֲשֶׁ֨ר יִתֵּ֥ן מוּם֙ בָּֽאָדָ֔ם כֵּ֖ן יִנָּ֥תֶן בּֽוֹ׃ V’ish ki yiten mum ba’amito, ka’asher asah ken ya’aseh lo: shever tachat shever, ayin...
www.reconstructingjudaism.org
 
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duffer

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  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #3,124
Sick Boy said:
As does The Bible.
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Yeah, as with the Judaism thing above, I think it's fairly obvious that most Christians (at least notionally) pay more attention to the words of Christ in the New Testament. The clue's in the name.
 

Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • Dec 11, 2023
  • #3,125
wingy said:
Great record,. Thanks Bob.
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That'll be over a few heads Wingy!
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 13, 2023
  • #3,126
Ahh, Isreal. Helping recruitment for Hamas since 2023.

Support for Hamas grows among Palestinians in West Bank

Israel aims to destroy the group in Gaza, but its influence is spreading in the occupied West Bank.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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SkyBlueMatt

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  • Dec 14, 2023
  • #3,127
"Palestinians never wanted to have a state next to Israel."

Israel-Hamas war: Ambassador says Israel will not accept two-state solution

Note how she speaks about 'Palestine' and not 'Hamas'. It was never about them, it was just an excuse to commit genocide on the Palestinian people and the west supported this.
skybluetony176 said:
Ahh, Isreal. Helping recruitment for Hamas since 2023.

Support for Hamas grows among Palestinians in West Bank

Israel aims to destroy the group in Gaza, but its influence is spreading in the occupied West Bank.
www.bbc.co.uk
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We could all see this coming, if Israel are looking to wipe Palestine off the map and the west are standing by and letting this happen. It's human nature to turn to the only people that will promise to stand up for you.

Hamas are a terrorist organisation but put yourself in the same situation. You being bombed every day, your family and friends are dying. The West are enabling and even funding this genocide, who else can you turn to?

"One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter"
 
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Como

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  • Dec 14, 2023
  • #3,128

Four arrests as Denmark foils alleged attack plot Europe arrests for alleged Hamas anti-Jewish attack​

Other sources mention a Hamas, not Palestinian, cell.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 14, 2023
  • #3,129
Como said:

Four arrests as Denmark foils alleged attack plot Europe arrests for alleged Hamas anti-Jewish attack​

Other sources mention a Hamas, not Palestinian, cell.
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What do you expect?
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 24, 2023
  • #3,130
Waiting for trump, Netanyahu rethoric.
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 25, 2023
  • #3,131
Bet some of you never thought agreeing with nick Griffin would be on the agenda today
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Dec 26, 2023
  • #3,132
Evo1883 said:
Bet some of you never thought agreeing with nick Griffin would be on the agenda today
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So we Israeled three points from The Stadium of Light then. Fantastic.

Edit: got the victim bit back to front...

3 points tho
 
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DrPoolittle

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2023
  • #3,133
duffer said:
I'm sorry, but that's not a very accurate take on Judaism. In fact it's dangerously close to an anti-Semitic trope, I'd argue.

The actions of the State of Israel in Gaza are, to my mind, unconscionable war crimes. But that doesn't mean that Jews or Judaism as a whole can be blamed.

Ditto Hamas and their hideousness, and the attempt (by certain factions) to hold Islam and all Muslims to blame.

An Eye For An Eye? - Reconstructing Judaism

וְאִ֕ישׁ כִּֽי־יִתֵּ֥ן מ֖וּם בַּעֲמִית֑וֹ כַּאֲשֶׁ֣ר עָשָׂ֔ה כֵּ֖ן יֵעָ֥שֶׂה לּֽוֹ׃ שֶׁ֚בֶר תַּ֣חַת שֶׁ֔בֶר עַ֚יִן תַּ֣חַת עַ֔יִן שֵׁ֖ן תַּ֣חַת שֵׁ֑ן כַּאֲשֶׁ֨ר יִתֵּ֥ן מוּם֙ בָּֽאָדָ֔ם כֵּ֖ן יִנָּ֥תֶן בּֽוֹ׃ V’ish ki yiten mum ba’amito, ka’asher asah ken ya’aseh lo: shever tachat shever, ayin...
www.reconstructingjudaism.org
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“I’m sorry…..”

don’t be sorry for being wrong. But your apology is accepted.

At no point did I state that Jews or Judaism as a whole can be blamed, whereas I did point out that Israel’s actions can be understood through their perception of the world.

This started after the Holocaust and was continued after the newly created state of Israel was invaded immediately by 5 Arab nations. Understand this and you can see why Israel acts as it does, particularly because it lacks stratetic depth.

Please don’t parrot out “tropes” and then label them as “anti semetic”
 

duffer

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  • Dec 29, 2023
  • #3,134
DrPoolittle said:
“I’m sorry…..”

don’t be sorry for being wrong. But your apology is accepted.

At no point did I state that Jews or Judaism as a whole can be blamed, whereas I did point out that Israel’s actions can be understood through their perception of the world.

This started after the Holocaust and was continued after the newly created state of Israel was invaded immediately by 5 Arab nations. Understand this and you can see why Israel acts as it does, particularly because it lacks stratetic depth.

Please don’t parrot out “tropes” and then label them as “anti semetic”
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Seriously mate, what the fuck are you on about?

If you put out some spurious bullshit about Judaism being the religion of "an eye for an eye", something that is most definitely used as an anti-Semitic trope, then expect to be challenged on it.

I'm apologising for your stupidity for repeating such obvious bullshit, and was trying to be moderately polite about it, but you're clearly a bit too thick to see that.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 9, 2024
  • #3,135
I can’t believe this is a shock to anyone

 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 11, 2024
  • #3,136
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 11, 2024
  • #3,137
skybluetony176 said:
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Self defence self defence blah blah blah
No one likes us if we didn’t kill everyone they’ll kill us
 

Como

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 12, 2024
  • #3,138
That is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time.

Perhaps a GoFundMe to buy South Africa a mirror?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 12, 2024
  • #3,139
Como said:
That is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time.

Perhaps a GoFundMe to buy South Africa a mirror?
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Spectaculary missing the point. It’s exactly because South Africa has held up a mirror up to itself it’s has all the relevant experience to call out what is happening in Gaza.
 
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Macca

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  • Jan 12, 2024
  • #3,140
skybluetony176 said:
Spectaculary missing the point. It’s exactly because South Africa has held up a mirror up to itself it’s has all the relevant experience to call out what is happening in Gaza.
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Genocide of farmers still occurring in SA
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 12, 2024
  • #3,141
Macca said:
Genocide of farmers still occurring in SA
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I think you need to read the definition of genocide.

I don’t wish to diminish what’s happening in the farming community in South Africa but you’re talking about barely 800 murders in 13 years and farmers of all races with the primary purpose being robbery. It’s not really comparable to the murder of over 20,000 people in a matter of months almost exclusively from one ethnic background and religion, which literally is the dictionary definition of genocide.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Jan 15, 2024
  • #3,142
This on the Beeb today, 100 days on from the Hamas attacks.
The IDF eyes on the border warned their commanders that a big attack was likely.
Israel did nothing to increase the defence.
You will struggle to convince me that Netenyahu did anything to deter an attack so that he could use the excuse of "self defence" in annihilating the entire Gaza Strip. I have believed this from Day One, and here is the proof.
South Africa is right. Meanwhile we stand back and watch it happen.

They were Israel's 'eyes on the border' - but their Hamas warnings went unheard

A unit of young female soldiers warned of a big attack. They were among the first Hamas killed on 7 October.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Como

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  • Jan 15, 2024
  • #3,143
I can think of quite a few similar scenarios, Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour and of course probably the most egregious Operation Barbarossa and Stalin.

This is small beer compared to Barbarossa. Anyway worth a watch.

[What Stalin Knew]

David Murphy talked about his book [What Stalin Knew: The Enigma of Barbarossa], published by Yale University Press. Mr. Murphy examined what he saw as Stalin's blunder in ignoring extensive intelligence reports preceding Germany's attack on the Soviet Union in 1941. For the book, he drew upon...
www.c-span.org
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 15, 2024
  • #3,144
Facing Jail time I think not!
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 15, 2024
  • #3,145
The story of the Israeli footballer who plays for Haji Wright’s old club in Turkey is outrageous - he’s basically been forced to flee the country for trying to show support for the hostages in Gaza.

Sagiv Jehezkel: Israel footballer leaves Turkey after hostage plea row

Sagiv Jehezkel was sacked by a Turkish club after showing solidarity with Israeli hostages in Gaza.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

TomRad85

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  • Jan 15, 2024
  • #3,146
SBT said:
The story of the Israeli footballer who plays for Haji Wright’s old club in Turkey is outrageous - he’s basically been forced to flee the country for trying to show support for the hostages in Gaza.

Sagiv Jehezkel: Israel footballer leaves Turkey after hostage plea row

Sagiv Jehezkel was sacked by a Turkish club after showing solidarity with Israeli hostages in Gaza.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Looks like he'll be available on a free then. Worth a look.

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Jan 15, 2024
  • #3,147
SBT said:
The story of the Israeli footballer who plays for Haji Wright’s old club in Turkey is outrageous - he’s basically been forced to flee the country for trying to show support for the hostages in Gaza.

Sagiv Jehezkel: Israel footballer leaves Turkey after hostage plea row

Sagiv Jehezkel was sacked by a Turkish club after showing solidarity with Israeli hostages in Gaza.
www.bbc.co.uk
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That sucks. Take it out on the Israeli government, by all means, but not on individual citizens (or equally a random Jewish person in London) simply because you can't tell the difference.
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 15, 2024
  • #3,148
Quite an ambiguous slogan,no?
 
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  • Jan 15, 2024
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So having sold the Saudis weapons to bomb the Yemenis for years we now think doing our own bombing will de-escalate the situation.
 
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Como

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  • Jan 17, 2024
  • #3,150
 
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