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shmmeee

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  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #2,171
Como said:
That German girl who was at the music festival whose body was being paraded around has been confirmed dead by the BBC.

BBC said they had yet to find her body so it sounds like they just found her head?
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Found a piece of skull apparently.
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #2,172
Israeli airstrike hits a refugee camp in Gaza. Reports of dozens killed. Israel says the strike killed a senior Hamas commander.

Will leave the arguments about whether it's justified to others. Personally I don't know how long Israel can keep going down this path without losing international support.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #2,173
Possibly naive, but in such a small area, it would be difficult for Hamas not to be in civilian areas surely?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #2,174
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Possibly naive, but in such a small area, it would be difficult for Hamas not to be in civilian areas surely?
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A pretty ineffective terrorist who restricts themselves to uninhabited areas of the world anyway
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #2,175
SBT said:
Israeli airstrike hits a refugee camp in Gaza. Reports of dozens killed. Israel says the strike killed a senior Hamas commander.

Will leave the arguments about whether it's justified to others. Personally I don't know how long Israel can keep going down this path without losing international support.
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It’s a refugee camp…. There’s nothing else to be said.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #2,176
Ian1779 said:
It’s a refugee camp…. There’s nothing else to be said.
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They’re called hate camps didn’t you read the home office edict
 

Como

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #2,177
I am old enough to remember Milton Keynes being announced, I would need to be 20 years older for Palestinian refugee camps.

Very odd situation, but a story in itself.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #2,178
SBT said:
Israeli airstrike hits a refugee camp in Gaza. Reports of dozens killed. Israel says the strike killed a senior Hamas commander.

Will leave the arguments about whether it's justified to others. Personally I don't know how long Israel can keep going down this path without losing international support.
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It seems at this point that the USA will back them regardless.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,179
Big Palestine thing planned for remembrance Day? Classy.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.tiktok.com/%40n_mmh/video/7295335851817569568&ved=2ahUKEwje_YjwyKGCAxWJWkEAHSDqATEQo7QBegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw0Pe9WMCbBgVbCTdVAGpR_w

Still, nobody says that from the river to the sea thing do they
 
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Como

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,180
History has a habit of repeating itself.

 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,181
Nick said:
Big Palestine thing planned for remembrance Day? Classy.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.tiktok.com/%40n_mmh/video/7295335851817569568&ved=2ahUKEwje_YjwyKGCAxWJWkEAHSDqATEQo7QBegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw0Pe9WMCbBgVbCTdVAGpR_w

Still, nobody says that from the river to the sea thing do they
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Wouldn’t Remembrance Day be an appropriate time to protest war?

What’s wrong with “that from the river to the seas thing”?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,182
shmmeee said:
Wouldn’t Remembrance Day be an appropriate time to protest war?

What’s wrong with “that from the river to the seas thing”?
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Depends how you feel about it
It’s a good way of stating the stretch of land for Gaza and shouting about freedom
 

SBAndy

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,183
Sky Blue Pete said:
Depends how you feel about it
It’s a good way of stating the stretch of land for Gaza and shouting about freedom
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I’ve been trying to figure this out since I heard about it. What is the ‘river’ reference?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,184
SBAndy said:
I’ve been trying to figure this out since I heard about it. What is the ‘river’ reference?
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It refers to the river Jordan which unsurprisingly runs on the border between Israel and Jordan. The controversial aspect of the chant is that it suggests eliminating the Israeli state entirely.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,185
SBAndy said:
I’ve been trying to figure this out since I heard about it. What is the ‘river’ reference?
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The river Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea

Includes Israel too which is the offensive part
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,186
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It refers to the river Jordan which unsurprisingly runs on the border between Israel and Jordan. The controversial aspect of the chant is that it suggests eliminating the Israeli state entirely.
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I could maybe maybe buy this until Labour sacked that guy for saying there should be free Israelis and Palestinians from the river to the sea.

It’s clearly not chanted by the vast majority to mean “kill all Jews”. Same as people not understanding the use of the word martyr.

I never thought I’d see worst war discourse than Iraq, but here we are.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,187
shmmeee said:
I could maybe maybe buy this until Labour sacked that guy for saying there should be free Israelis and Palestinians from the river to the sea.

It’s clearly not chanted by the vast majority to mean “kill all Jews”. Same as people not understanding the use of the word martyr.

I never thought I’d see worst war discourse than Iraq, but here we are.
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He was suspended as he was reported to have said just the palestinians shouldbe free, the times has now apologised as they reported his quote incorfrectly
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,188
shmmeee said:
I could maybe maybe buy this until Labour sacked that guy for saying there should be free Israelis and Palestinians from the river to the sea.

It’s clearly not chanted by the vast majority to mean “kill all Jews”. Same as people not understanding the use of the word martyr.

I never thought I’d see worst war discourse than Iraq, but here we are.
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Hmmm, I’m not sure shmmeee. A lot of people chanting it know exactly what they mean. Then there’s probably a lot of well meaning people who join in without knowing/realising

It’s how it could be construed anyway and let’s be honest there’s plenty of stuff that people can take the wrong way and its called racist/unacceptable in different circumstances, yet this is seen as ok by many . I can see how it upsets many Jewish people

*I’ve only read up on it recently as I wanted to understand more on the conflict - almost impossible to get an unbiased view due to the extremes on both sides
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,189
shmmeee said:
I could maybe maybe buy this until Labour sacked that guy for saying there should be free Israelis and Palestinians from the river to the sea.

It’s clearly not chanted by the vast majority to mean “kill all Jews”. Same as people not understanding the use of the word martyr.

I never thought I’d see worst war discourse than Iraq, but here we are.
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I didn’t say it was, just I don’t see any other interpretation than support for a one Palestinian state solution.
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,190
Nick said:
Still, nobody says that from the river to the sea thing do they
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You can quite legitimately argue about the implications of this chant, but I don’t think anyone’s denied it’s being sung at these marches
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,191

He'll be unsuspended shortly, shows the dangers of blindly reacting to the press without doing due diligence first
 
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Como

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,192
It goes back to the war aims of 1948, driving the Jews westward basically westwards into the Med. Now the likes of Trans Jordan never envisaged a Palestinian State, it was more about expanding their own territory. As they did until 1968 and of course Egypt did with Gaza.

This is and has been since the fall of the Ottoman Empire a multi layered issue, just look at all the rivalries, Iran vs Iraq, Iran vs Saudi, Monarchies vs Theocracies, I always think of Saudi as being the most religious but they are under attack from dissenters who consider them sell outs, and then you have Iran's internal pressures as well and Egypt that relies on money from Gulf states, Sunni vs Shia and so it goes on.

Pakistan has been kicking out hundreds of thousands of Afghans but nobody seems bothered about that.

And then there is the big one, Water.

If Israel vapourised not a lot would change. Just different issues.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,193
David O'Day said:

He'll be unsuspended shortly, shows the dangers of blindly reacting to the press without doing due diligence first
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Nice of McDonald’s to make a statement
 

Como

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,194
Saudi getting the World Cup is linked to all of this, just to get Football involved.
 

Otis

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,195
Sky Blue Pete said:
Nice of McDonald’s to make a statement
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As statements from him go, that's a Big Mac.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,196
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I didn’t say it was, just I don’t see any other interpretation than support for a one Palestinian state solution.
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Well bully for you, but huge amounts of people who support a two state solution sing it. Because it’s a catchy chant.

This is “hmmm, are Coventry City really the greatest team the world has ever seen? Seems disrespectful to the 70s Brazil side to me” level.

There is antisemitism in the movement, obviously, but claiming everything is antisemitism just makes everyone on that side defensive.
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,197
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I didn’t say it was, just I don’t see any other interpretation than support for a one Palestinian state solution.
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The history of this chant shouldn’t be lost on anyone by now, but you seriously can’t see “any other interpretation”?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,198
shmmeee said:
Well bully for you, but huge amounts of people who support a two state solution sing it. Because it’s a catchy chant.

This is “hmmm, are Coventry City really the greatest team the world has ever seen? Seems disrespectful to the 70s Brazil side to me” level.

There is antisemitism in the movement, obviously, but claiming everything is antisemitism just makes everyone on that side defensive.
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I guess you have no problem with ‘Ooh ah up the RA’ then?
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,199
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I guess you have no problem with ‘Ooh ah up the RA’ then?
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This is exactly the same. You are very smart.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,200
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I guess you have no problem with ‘Ooh ah up the RA’ then?
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What a ludicrous comparison
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,201
shmmeee said:
This is exactly the same. You are very smart.
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‘Many people who don’t actually want to bomb Britain sing it. Because it’s a catchy chant.’ Got it.
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,202
Brighton Sky Blue said:
‘Many people who don’t actually want to bomb Britain sing it. Because it’s a catchy chant.’ Got it.
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it's the lyrics to a wolftones song where the phrase is written on a wall in Glasgow and the narrator notes this

so no not everyone who has ever sung it wants to bomb britain
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,203
Brighton Sky Blue said:
‘Many people who don’t actually want to bomb Britain sing it. Because it’s a catchy chant.’ Got it.
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Support for a secular one state solution, even if that is what the chant meant for most, is not the same as support for the IRA.

I can maybe breakout the crayons if this is still too difficult to wrap your head around.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,204
Brighton Sky Blue said:
‘Many people who don’t actually want to bomb Britain sing it. Because it’s a catchy chant.’ Got it.
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Hang on, so what’s your position on this chant then, if not this?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 1, 2023
  • #2,205
It is random watching people excuse things for one set of people but would be against it if somebody else did it.

What better day to sing anti Jew songs and promote hate for them than remembrance Day. May as well cover all the poppies with Palestine flags too.

Bit of a weird take.
 
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