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Ccfcisparks · 2026-03-04T10:44:04+0000

Grendel said:
The scriptures and the Bible as I understand it are just a collection of thoughts of individual apostles when they went to various parts of the globe to spread Christianity.

There is no actual definition of faith other than a belief of an existence beyond death.

You talk total nonsense on this topic.

christians believe that the bible is the direct word of God.

Grendel · 2026-03-04T10:47:43+0000

Ccfcisparks said:
christians believe that the bible is the direct word of God.

Many actually don’t. The liberal element of Christianity observe many of its content as mythical story telling

Ccfcisparks · 2026-03-04T10:50:03+0000

Grendel said:
Many actually don’t. The liberal element of Christianity observe many of its content as mythical story telling

Can you quote the source and stats for Many?

Both Catholic and Protestant Christians believe it to be the direct word of God.

Grendel · 2026-03-04T10:55:42+0000

Ccfcisparks said:
Can you quote the source and stats for Many?

Both Catholic and Protestant Christians believe it to be the direct word of God.

They don’t. Many conservative based Christians actually believe that the bible was written by humans. Liberal thinking Christians look at the modern society and adapt accordingly - they certainly think Genises is just a story written many years after the creation of humanity. None of these people think God created man in a week and the world was born.

You are quoting fundamentalism and conflating that to all religious thought

Ccfcisparks · 2026-03-04T10:56:52+0000

Grendel said:
They don’t. Many conservative based Christians actually believe that the bible was written by humans. Liberal thinking Christians look at the modern society and adapt accordingly - they certainly think Genises is just a story written many years after the creation of humanity. None of these people think God created man in a week and the world was born.

You are quoting fundamentalism and conflating that to all religious thought

I think everyone knows the bible was written by Humans. They believe it was written by humans who through the holy spirit were writing Gods direct word.

Do you have the stats on you previous claim or not?

stupot07 · 2026-03-04T11:02:18+0000

According to ChatGPT

Do Catholics and protestant Christians believe that the bible is the direct words from god?

That’s a really good question — and the answer is yes, but not in exactly the same way, and not always in the way people think.

Both Catholics and Protestants believe the Bible is inspired by God, but they understand that idea slightly differently.

Catholic View
The Catholic Church teaches that:

The Bible is inspired by God.

God worked through human authors.

The writers used their own language, culture, and style.

Therefore, the Bible is both:

Fully inspired by God

Fully written by humans

Catholics do not generally believe God dictated every word like someone speaking into a microphone.

They also believe:

The Bible must be interpreted with guidance from the Church.

Tradition (teachings passed down through history) is also important.

So for Catholics:

The Bible contains the Word of God, written under divine inspiration.

Protestant View
Protestants (which includes groups like Anglicans, Baptists, Methodists, Evangelicals, etc.) also believe:

The Bible is inspired by God.

It is the Word of God.

However, many Protestants place stronger emphasis on:

The Bible as the ultimate authority (often called sola scriptura — “Scripture alone”).

Personal reading and interpretation.

Some Protestants believe:

The Bible is directly God’s words in a very strong sense.

Others believe, like Catholics, that God inspired human writers.

Views vary depending on the denomination.

What About “Direct Words”?

There are parts of the Bible that Christians believe are directly spoken by God — for example:

The Ten Commandments

Words spoken by Jesus (who Christians believe is God)

But most Christians do not believe the entire Bible was dictated word-for-word.

Brighton Sky Blue · 2026-03-04T11:06:28+0000

Over 1000 Iranian civilians killed already, and Iran trying to attack Saudi oil refineries.

Was it worth it, Trump and Netanyahu?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · 2026-03-04T11:07:45+0000

Some of you on this thread are completely lost. The ignorance about the history of Iran, and the latest regime is staggering.

The hatred for Trump and the Americans is outshining any sensible conversation here as well. Whilst their actions are pretty hardcore, because it was them that did it, it is hard to read between a lot of posts which are almost acting as if Khamenei was a good bloke and should have stayed on for a few shifts. It has very little to do with any (ordinarily fair) concerns about potential new leadership. It's quite transparent.

What do you expect the Iranian people to do? Despite some false claims and ignorance on here, their people were killed in the tens of thousands for standing up to the regime. Something many of you said nothing about. Of course it is going to be a mess.

Many of the people also too scared to criticise ever criticise Islam, of which the regime in Iran was a textbook example of some of the worst of it, are straight down the throats of a Christian as well. What a surprise.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2026-03-04T11:07:57+0000

Grendel said:
The scriptures and the Bible as I understand it are just a collection of thoughts of individual apostles when they went to various parts of the globe to spread Christianity.

There is no actual definition of faith other than a belief of an existence beyond death.

You talk total nonsense on this topic.

Christianity purports that the Bible (and Judaism with the old testament) is 'the word of God'. If people don't actually believe it's the word of God, they're not actually Christians.

It's closer to humanism in terms of believing in being good to others and being compassionate. Those are your own morals and values and nothing to do with a God or faith. There's plenty in the Bible and other Christian teachings that tell you to be absolutely shitty to quite a lot of people. You can't just ignore those bits because you don't agree with them and then agree with others and say "that's Christian values". Either they're all Christian values, or none of them are.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · 2026-03-04T11:08:17+0000

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Over 1000 Iranian civilians killed already, and Iran trying to attack Saudi oil refineries.

Was it worth it, Trump and Netanyahu?

You didn't seem to care when 35000 people were killed.

Grendel · 2026-03-04T11:10:06+0000

Ccfcisparks said:
I think everyone knows the bible was written by Humans. They believe it was written by humans who through the holy spirit were writing Gods direct word.

Do you have the stats on you previous claim or not?

Even in the US a gallop poll in 2022 of practising Christians said only 1 in 4 devout followed believed it’s interpretation as the word of god and 60% said it was a guide of how to live

Ccfcisparks · 2026-03-04T11:10:38+0000

Grendel said:
Even in the US a gallop poll in 2022 of practising Christians said only 1 in 4 devout followed believed it’s interpretation as the word of god and 60% said it was a guide of how to live

They aren't Christians then, they just believe in Christian values.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2026-03-04T11:13:12+0000

Ccfcisparks said:
They aren't Christians then, they just believe in some Christian values.

Fixed

Bugsy · 2026-03-04T11:16:05+0000

It is funny that once I said I was a Christian, people start to question it and make fun,
but whenever anyone criticises any other religions for there beliefs it's different matter.
Goes to show.

PVA · 2026-03-04T11:16:22+0000

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
a lot of posts which are almost acting as if Khamenei was a good bloke and should have stayed on for a few shifts. It has very little to do with any (ordinarily fair) concerns about potential new leadership.

Absolute rubbish.

That is the exact concern that virtually everyone in here has, as far as I can see.

Brighton Sky Blue · 2026-03-04T11:16:23+0000

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
You didn't seem to care when 35000 people were killed.

I’m sorry, what?

Grendel · 2026-03-04T11:18:55+0000

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Fixed

So what you are saying the most devout religion with the largest following do want the western world destroyed and all homosexuals obliterated. So when some on here waffle on about Muslims being lovely people you think what exactly?

Sick Boy · 2026-03-04T11:19:18+0000

Bugsy said:
It is funny that once I said I was a Christian, people start to question it and make fun,
but whenever anyone criticises any other religions for there beliefs it's different matter.
Goes to show.

It shows nothing.
Back in reality, religion as a whole is a man-made concept.
If it gives you comfort in the face of the unknown, then fair enough, I guess.

Grendel · 2026-03-04T11:19:25+0000

Ccfcisparks said:
They aren't Christians then, they just believe in Christian values.

Does that include Justin Welby?

wingy · 2026-03-04T11:20:29+0000

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Over 1000 Iranian civilians killed already, and Iran trying to attack Saudi oil refineries.

Was it worth it, Trump and Netanyahu?

Absolutely there's so many financial benefits,resource plus's political enemies especially Chyna!

Bugsy · 2026-03-04T11:21:54+0000

Sick Boy said:
It shows nothing.
Back in reality, religion as a whole is a man-made concept.
If it gives you comfort in the face of the unknown, then fair enough, I guess.

That's your opinion.

As soon as I mentioned any other religion thou you got your defense up.
Shows everything to me.

chiefdave · 2026-03-04T11:24:56+0000

Ccfcisparks said:
I think everyone knows the bible was written by Humans.

Sick Boy · 2026-03-04T11:26:23+0000

Bugsy said:
That's your opinion.

As soon as I mentioned any other religion thou you got your defense up.
Shows everything to me.

What? Now you're just making stuff up.
For the record, all religions are man-made and are on par with Father Christmas.

duffer · 2026-03-04T11:27:15+0000

chiefdave said:
Not certain but with a bit of googling I think it was this

Yeah, I'm guessing Nick was too busy being snarky to have the time to find that. So basically it was an anti-war rally, rather than a bunch of people cheering on a regime that everybody hates.

It's a terrific example of how people can dig out something that should aligns with their favourite prejudice and then get all uncomfortable and bitchy when it's challenged. Or even when a reasonable question is asked.

Like a few of the wingnuts hereabouts and elsewhere, people pick up something off social media, and cling on to it in the face of all other evidence to justify their prejudices.

I'm not saying that I don't get stuff wrong too. We all look to try to justify our beliefs, which is why I engage here; it's a good forum for debate (sometimes!). However chucking in ridiculous bollocks about Hamas t-shirts etc. and getting all petty is just tedious after a while.

That said, I guess that anyone who's going to chuck in the staggeringly offensive 'friends with peados' line regarding another poster perhaps isn't worth bothering with in any case. Disappointing, because I think there's a decent bloke in Nick, and he does a lot of good stuff. But that's so far out of order that I can't be bothered engaging with him any more. I'm sure that won't bother him a bit, which is entirely fair enough.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · 2026-03-04T11:32:41+0000

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’m sorry, what?

You seem more upset about people being killed in this offensive that was commissioned by Trump, than you were by 30x the amount of people (and the rest) being killed by the regime.

Nick · 2026-03-04T11:32:51+0000

duffer said:
That said, I guess that anyone who's going to chuck in the staggeringly offensive 'friends with peados' line regarding another poster perhaps isn't worth bothering with in any case. Disappointing, because I think there's a decent bloke in Nick, and he does a lot of good stuff. But that's so far out of order that I can't be bothered engaging with him any more. I'm sure that won't bother him a bit, which is entirely fair enough.

It's out of order to say somebody being friends with sex offenders who has defended being friends with sex offenders?

This is the issue when people try hard to be offended they don't seem to know what and why they are offended and why people are backwards sometimes.

Sky Blue Pete · 2026-03-04T11:33:02+0000

Ccfcisparks said:
christians believe that the bible is the direct word of God.

Not quite
God breathed written by mostly men

duffer · 2026-03-04T11:34:01+0000

PVA said:
They don’t seem to have any plan whatsoever.

Well, the plan was to kill Khamenei, bomb Iran for a few days and then regime change would magically occur. But that hasn’t happened (yet) and now they don’t seem to have any clear objective or plan.

So now they’re resorting to arming Kurds and trying to get them to carry out a ground invasion into Iran.

There are widespread bombings throughout the Middle East.

Gas and oil prices have surged, stock markets have tumbled. Global supply chain is disrupted (Strait of Hormuz closed).

They’re telling their citizens to leave the Middle East but are offering no assistance to help them.

Just to point out, the US absolutely fucked the Kurds over before in Syria. I'm not sure how much they will be trusted on the approach this time, or indeed if they'll stay the distance. Either way, it points to another, bloody, civil war...

Kurds in retreat as US allies switch to backing Syria's new leader

The US fought IS with the Kurds for years. Now, Donald Trump is siding with Syria's new leader.

www.bbc.co.uk

SBT · 2026-03-04T11:35:00+0000

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
You didn't seem to care when 35000 people were killed.

Can you point us to your posts on the protests? I assume there are several?

Ccfcisparks · 2026-03-04T11:36:12+0000

SBT said:
Can you point us to your posts on the protests? I assume there are several?

Youve gone straight to the Grendel go to for deflection!

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · 2026-03-04T11:36:43+0000

PVA said:
Absolute rubbish.

That is the exact concern that virtually everyone in here has, as far as I can see.

No it isn't. It is dressed up as being concerned about new leadership. In reality there has been next to no criticism of the regime, historically and up until this point, with some even trying to make arguments (or inferring) that it is a bad thing they have been removed. There is little concern about new leadership coming in to other countries, and there are infinite posts about the orange man every day. It is very transparent.

SBT · 2026-03-04T11:40:18+0000

Ccfcisparks said:
Youve gone straight to the Grendel go to for deflection!

If you’re going to call someone out for being insufficiently angry on this board about the Iranian regime, surely you have to back it up with several posts of your own?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · 2026-03-04T11:41:53+0000

Ccfcisparks said:
Youve gone straight to the Grendel go to for deflection!

Given how much he stalks me, I am surprised he hasn't got tabs with them open anyway.

Sky Blue Pete · 2026-03-04T11:42:05+0000

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Christianity purports that the Bible (and Judaism with the old testament) is 'the word of God'. If people don't actually believe it's the word of God, they're not actually Christians.

It's closer to humanism in terms of believing in being good to others and being compassionate. Those are your own morals and values and nothing to do with a God or faith. There's plenty in the Bible and other Christian teachings that tell you to be absolutely shitty to quite a lot of people. You can't just ignore those bits because you don't agree with them and then agree with others and say "that's Christian values". Either they're all Christian values, or none of them are.

The Bible is a compendium of books
History
Poetry
Myth
Etc etc etc
Part of the problem with Christian fundamentalism / nationalism is reading the words and taking things literally

A lot of Christians love the story of the angel of death at Passover but don’t realise that we are the Egyptians in this scenario
Our families were the ones who’s eldest son was slain not the ones who the angel passed over

We need to be far more humble as I would suggest Muslims need to be too when it comes to living our lives among those who don’t share our beliefs and that includes others who follow the same faith as us

SBT · 2026-03-04T11:43:57+0000

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Given how much he stalks me, I am surprised he hasn't got tabs with them open anyway.

Just the one tab really….

Doesn’t seem to be many posts on the protests at all - did I miss some, or can we take you to be a secret sympathiser of the fundamentalist Islamic regime in Iran like BSB?

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