Israel - Palestinian Conflict (7 Viewers)

shmmeee · Aug 18, 2025

Sky Blue Pete said:
D

Dont get it

For a journalist not to get the difference is quite something but he’s likening my hyperbolic interpretation of his answer that theUK govt bans groups because Israeli lobbyists tell them to as Jews controlling the govt to a leading question like “when did you stop beating your wife” which is a problem because it assumes he was beating his wife and any answer affirms that.

Two entirely different types of journalistic bad practice. Mine was more sensationalism than leading.

wingy · Aug 18, 2025

Are they more terrorist for instance in the case of the Manchester airport family in terms of violence, I think not TBF!

SBT · Aug 18, 2025

Grendel said:
What do you define as success?

The government’s own definition is here:

How does proscription help disrupt terrorism?
In addition to the proscription offences, proscription can support other disruptive activity including the use of immigration powers such as exclusion, prosecution for other offences, encouraging removal of on-line material, messaging and EU asset freezes. The resources of a proscribed organisation are terrorist property and are, therefore, liable to be seized.

Have they disrupted Palestine Action’s messaging? Have we stopped Palestine Action rhetoric being shared online?

shmmeee · Aug 18, 2025

wingy said:
Are they more terrorist for instance in the case of the Manchester airport family in terms of violence, I think not TBF!

Yes. Terrorism is about trying to change govt policy through property damage or violence.

The groups outside hotels however…

shmmeee · Aug 18, 2025

SBT said:
The government’s own definition is here:

Have they disrupted Palestine Action’s messaging? Have we stopped Palestine Action rhetoric being shared online?

SBT · Aug 18, 2025

shmmeee said:
For a journalist not to get the difference is quite something but he’s likening my hyperbolic interpretation of his answer that theUK govt bans groups because Israeli lobbyists tell them to as Jews controlling the govt to a leading question like “when did you stop beating your wife” which is a problem because it assumes he was beating his wife and any answer affirms that.

Two entirely different types of journalistic bad practice. Mine was more sensationalism than leading.

Your question was quite clearly intended to suggest that I believe in anti-semitic tropes about Jews controlling the government. Frankly it’s the kind of rhetorical device I’d expect from SkyBlueDom26.

SBT · Aug 18, 2025

shmmeee said:
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Wow - and we never heard about Palestine Action again.

shmmeee · Aug 18, 2025

SBT said:
Your question was quite clearly intended to suggest that I believe in anti-semitic tropes about Jews controlling the government. Frankly it’s the kind of rhetorical device I’d expect from SkyBlueDom26.

How else would you interpret the idea that the UK govt is taking action purely because of Israeli lobbying and disregarding all usual processes?

shmmeee · Aug 18, 2025

SBT said:
Wow - and we never heard about Palestine Action again.

“Can be used to disrupt” being an exact synonym for “completely eradicate”

SBT · Aug 18, 2025

shmmeee said:
How else would you interpret the idea that the UK govt is taking action purely because of Israeli lobbying and disregarding all usual processes?

I’m sorry, was that what I said?

shmmeee · Aug 18, 2025

SBT said:
I’m sorry, was that what I said?

So you accept that PA were highlighted by our security services presumably working in good faith and it’s not in fact a plot by Kid Starver to hurt Magic Grandpa?

SBT · Aug 18, 2025

shmmeee said:
So you accept that PA were highlighted by our security services presumably working in good faith and it’s not in fact a plot by Kid Starver to hurt Magic Grandpa?

Do you want to answer my question first and we can deal with your BlueSky buzzword nonsense afterwards?

mmttww · Aug 18, 2025

Dom: you're all losers, on here all the time.
Dom: replies to your post in less than two mins.
Dom: I always stick up for persecuted people.
Dom: posts with bad spelling and mean words.

starting to think the Donald is actually on here.

Grendel · Aug 18, 2025

shmmeee said:
So you accept that PA were highlighted by our security services presumably working in good faith and it’s not in fact a plot by Kid Starver to hurt Magic Grandpa?

Someone else said you are rapidly turning into MMM on here

Everyone - well other than Pete and PVA - are getting pretty bored with the nonsense to be honest

SkyBlueDom26 · Aug 18, 2025

mmttww said:
Dom: you're all losers, on here all the time.
Dom: replies to your post in less than two mins.
Dom: I always stick up for persecuted people.
Dom: posts with bad spelling and mean words.

starting to think the Donald is actually on here.

I wouldn’t want to prove you wrong, you’d end up apologising in my messages like you did with my mate not so long ago! Ooooo sorryyy

mmttww · Aug 18, 2025

SkyBlueDom26 said:
I wouldn’t want to prove you wrong, you’d end up apologising in my messages like you did with my mate…..hilarious

but you're definitely not boosh, and you definitely don't forget which login you used and rush to delete posts, and he's definitely your mate, not an alt account. Flattered you talk about me in the DMs, though. You do a good Trump impression, as well. Credit where it's due.

skybluetony176 · Aug 18, 2025

The governments definition of anything doesn’t mean it is what it is. They can pass legislation in parliament so long as they can whip the numbers. Exhibit A, Rwanda is a safe country.

The Oxford English Dictionary on the other hand is literal and the literal meaning of terrorism is the use of intimidation and/or violence. Spray painting planes is neither of those things. They may be militant but they’re certainly not terrorists.

SkyBlueDom26 · Aug 18, 2025

mmttww said:
but you're definitely not boosh, and you definitely don't forget which login you used and rush to delete posts, and he's definitely your mate, not an alter account. Flattered you talk about me in the DMs, though. You do a good Trump impression, as well. Credit where it's due.

Can 110% confirm he’s my mate and he does exist, don’t get why you tried mugging me off in the first place I wasn’t even replying to you. Strange behaviour

wingy · Aug 18, 2025

skybluetony176 said:
The governments definition of anything doesn’t mean it is what it is. They can pass legislation in parliament so long as they can whip the numbers. Exhibit A, Rwanda is a safe country.

The Oxford English Dictionary on the other hand is literal and the literal meaning of terrorism is the use of intimidation and/or violence. Spray painting planes is neither of those things. They may be militant but they’re certainly not terrorists.

A country operating a terrorist operation in their next door neighbour's back yard, beyond a pathetic charade of a normal safe country, possibly explains what happened in Southport last year tbf!

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 18, 2025

You can’t argue that PA didn’t hit the government’s own threshold for terrorism. Their number of murder victims of 0 compared to Israel’s 60,000 notwithstanding…

shmmeee · Aug 18, 2025

Brighton Sky Blue said:
You can’t argue that PA didn’t hit the government’s own threshold for terrorism. Their number of murder victims of 0 compared to Israel’s 60,000 notwithstanding…

For the love of Christ terrorism is a specific crime not just “really bad shit that happens”.

Grendel · Aug 18, 2025

mmttww said:
but you're definitely not boosh, and you definitely don't forget which login you used and rush to delete posts, and he's definitely your mate, not an alt account. Flattered you talk about me in the DMs, though. You do a good Trump impression, as well. Credit where it's due.

They are two different people

SkyBlueDom26 · Aug 18, 2025

Grendel said:
They are two different people

It’s his lazy answer when he runs out of ideas when we’re debating

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 18, 2025

shmmeee said:
For the love of Christ terrorism is a specific crime not just “really bad shit that happens”.

The Israeli government are committing atrocities in the name of a political cause. They’re a terrorist regime.

Ian1779 · Aug 18, 2025

SkyBlueDom26 said:
He knew what he was doing, it will be ignored though because there is an agenda on this forum

Careful…. Next you’ll be drifting into conspiracy theories.

How about you actually spend some time understanding what antisemitism is and isn’t, because you haven’t got a clue.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 18, 2025

Ian1779 said:
Careful…. Next you’ll be drifting into conspiracy theories.

How about you actually spend some time understanding what antisemitism is and isn’t, because you haven’t got a clue.

He’s just on this side of the forum to WUM.

PVA · Aug 18, 2025

Grendel said:
Someone else said you are rapidly turning into MMM on here

Everyone - well other than Pete and PVA - are getting pretty bored with the nonsense to be honest

And Dom's never ending shite, sticking up for criminals, arguing with absolutely everyone, is absolutely fine?

wingy · Aug 18, 2025

Can't wait for the court cases tbf, should be a good challenge and so it should be!

shmmeee · Aug 18, 2025

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The Israeli government are committing atrocities in the name of a political cause. They’re a terrorist regime.

No they’re a shitty government. A state can’t be a terrorist FFS.

rondog1973 · Aug 18, 2025

shmmeee said:
No they’re a shitty government. A state can’t be a terrorist FFS.

Khmer Rouge? Pinochet's murderous dictatorship? Gaddaffi's exported terrorism? Apartheid era South Africa?

skybluetony176 · Aug 18, 2025

shmmeee said:
No they’re a shitty government. A state can’t be a terrorist FFS.

They’re using violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims. It’s the dictionary definition of terrorism.

mmttww · Aug 18, 2025

shmmeee said:
A state can’t be a terrorist FFS.

doesn't history have whole periods referred to as "the terror" where states murdered people to consolidate power or suppress dissent?

SkyBlueDom26 · Aug 18, 2025

skybluetony176 said:
They’re using violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims. It’s the dictionary definition of terrorism.

Why won’t you answer me about the football, are you even a cov fan or do you just ramble on off topic 24/7? If I was a betting man I’d say the latter

shmmeee · Aug 18, 2025

mmttww said:
doesn't history have whole periods referred to as "the terror" where states murdered people to consolidate power or suppress dissent?

Is there not an epic battle game called “Fortnite” that shows the horrors of two weeks?

Terrorism capital T as in the law is specifically using damage or violence to overthrow the democratic process. The entire point it’s extra illegal is supposed to be because we don’t need to blow things up or attack policemen in a democracy, we just vote.

I’m sorry but at a time where mobs of people keep wanting to burn down hotels and ”chase off lefties” I’m really not going to bat for the right for direct action that involves serious property damage or violence against the police.

Israel are a shitty shitty state, but they are the elected government.

mmttww · Aug 18, 2025

shmmeee said:
in the law is specifically using damage or violence to overthrow the democratic process.

I mean, if what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank (and across some other borders) isn't doing this to some extent, to various degrees, I don't get it.

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