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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Yesterday at 10:36 AM
  • #5,251
Nick said:
Are you really that thick? Hear every other week about your degrees but you struggle with the basics of actual life.

If there's a group defined as a terror group and people go out and support them. It can't be a surprise when they get in trouble.

Just because it makes you cry or they are wearing the same political flag as you, it doesn't change it.

I'm sure there are plenty of laws people don't agree with.
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The Suffragettes would be considered a terrorist organisation under current legislation.
 
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pete212

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  • Yesterday at 10:52 AM
  • #5,252
Nick said:
Are you really that thick? Hear every other week about your degrees but you struggle with the basics of actual life.

If there's a group defined as a terror group and people go out and support them. It can't be a surprise when they get in trouble.

Just because it makes you cry or they are wearing the same political flag as you, it doesn't change it.

I'm sure there are plenty of laws people don't agree with.
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Take your blinkers off.
They weren't a terror group until a week or so ago. So ask yourself, 'why are they, now?'

They sprayed paint on a plane and acted in sabotage. There's already laws to deal with them for that, and they know they'll probably go to jail for it. But they are exposing the bigger crime.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Yesterday at 11:00 AM
  • #5,253
pete212 said:
Take your blinkers off.
They weren't a terror group until a week or so ago. So ask yourself, 'why are they, now?'

They sprayed paint on a plane and acted in sabotage. There's already laws to deal with them for that, and they know they'll probably go to jail for it. But they are exposing the bigger crime.
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Best make a sign and get down broadgate then.
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 11:09 AM
  • #5,254
pete212 said:
Take your blinkers off.
They weren't a terror group until a week or so ago. So ask yourself, 'why are they, now?'

They sprayed paint on a plane and acted in sabotage. There's already laws to deal with them for that, and they know they'll probably go to jail for it. But they are exposing the bigger crime.
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There were discussions to prescribe them as a terrorist group last year due to its strategy of attacking military sites and concerns regarding where its funding is from.

People can be a part of their group all they like but can’t then cry when they face consequences
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 11:12 AM
  • #5,255
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
The Suffragettes would be considered a terrorist organisation under current legislation.
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Yes and the people caught accepted the consequences
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 11:20 AM
  • #5,256
Grendel said:
Yes and the people caught accepted the consequences
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Reminds me of that famous Emmeline Pankhurst quote, “It’s a fair cop guv, maybe we should all spend more time worrying about ourselves a bit?”
 

Sick Boy

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  • Yesterday at 12:51 PM
  • #5,257
shmmeee said:
On “we sell arms that enable this genocide”

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9964/#:~:text=Licensing%20UK%20arms%20exports%20and%20their%20value%20to%20Israel&text=Arms%20export%20licences%20are%20regularly,the%20conflict%20since%20July%202024


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You might argue this doesn’t go far enough or that you disagree with the governments assessment. But this idea that the UK govt is happily backing everything and selling arms that are killing Gazans is just not based in fact.
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Meanwhile, away from the Labour spin, the reality is quite different - UK sent Israel thousands of military items despite export ban, study finds
 
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chiefdave

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  • Yesterday at 1:10 PM
  • #5,258
PVA said:
Well then blame the middle class OAPs for wasting police resources, not the police - they're just doing their job.
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tbh my original point was less around if PA should be classed as a terrorist group or not (it absolutely should not imo) and more around the fact that police forces around the country claim to be under resourced yet have the resources to prioritise this.

If you phone up and say your car has been nicked or your house has been burgled there's nobody available, someone on my road was burgled and it was over a week before the police turned up. Yet a few OAPs sat on the steps of the Mandela statue in London, Mandela of course having been declared by this country to be a terrorist, sees the Met able to find hundreds of police to attend and arrest.

This despite case law and every legal talking head saying there is less than 0% chance of being able to convict anyone for the act of supporting PA alone, a group which in reality no longer exists. in fact I believe all those arrested have already been released without charge. A giant waste of police resources.

To use the example in this thread if the police were told the most important crime to investigate was people having a joint at home and they allocated huge resources to go door to door seeking out offenders I'm sure most people would think that was complete nonsense and a total waste of time.

Anyway I thought the jails were full, which criminals do people want to let out so we can lock placard waving OAPs up?
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 1:11 PM
  • #5,259
SBT said:
Reminds me of that famous Emmeline Pankhurst quote, “It’s a fair cop guv, maybe we should all spend more time worrying about ourselves a bit?”
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Do you support Palestine Action?
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 1:13 PM
  • #5,260
Grendel said:
Do you support Palestine Action?
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Nope
 

chiefdave

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  • Yesterday at 1:14 PM
  • #5,261
Sick Boy said:
What annoys me the most is that for a lot of people there’s more outrage about this than for the 10000s of people being killed and genocide taking place, all while the country continues to sell as to aid what’s going on.
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This, how you can watch things like the recent documentary on C4 or some of the horrific footage that's been on this thread this week alone and think the real problem is protesters is beyond me.

It's frankly mind boggling that people are putting people sitting quietly on the steps of a statue up there with actively supporting ISIS and Al Queda
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Yesterday at 1:16 PM
  • #5,262
chiefdave said:
This, how you can watch things like the recent documentary on C4 or some of the horrific footage that's been on this thread this week alone and think the real problem is protesters is beyond me.

It's frankly mind boggling that people are putting people sitting quietly on the steps of a statue up there with actively supporting ISIS and Al Queda
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As is the case with dear leader, morals and principles quickly go out of the window with some.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Yesterday at 1:19 PM
  • #5,263
shmmeee said:
PA whether you like it or not clearly meet the bar for proscription.
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Pretty sure our travelling fans have trashed an away end on at least one occasion. That would meet the bar for adding Coventry City supporters to the list of proscribed organisations on the basis of damage to property, the same criteria being applied here. Reckon if that happened most people would, righty, be outraged and say it was an abuse of power and absolutely farcical.

Not like we don't have examples where the government of the day have added groups to the proscribed list to months later be forced to remove them as they could not provide the evidence required to satisfy the courts that the threshold for proscription had been met. In fact in the past it has been done in very similar circumstances with groups bundled into a vote in parliament on far more dangerous groups.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Yesterday at 1:23 PM
  • #5,264
Grendel said:
Do you support Palestine Action?
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Some of their objectives certainly but some of the methods a few of their members have used I don't.

Do I think in very extreme circumstances over some issues (not necessarially related to the Palestine issue) direct action may become justified, yes but I am a long way from thinking that over a current issue.

I definitely am in favour of demonstrating in support of Palestine and against the murderous Israeli regime. That's not illegal is it?
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 1:28 PM
  • #5,265
SBT said:
Nope
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Why not?
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 1:31 PM
  • #5,266
Grendel said:
Why not?
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Why do you care?
 
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PVA

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  • Yesterday at 1:38 PM
  • #5,267
chiefdave said:
tbh my original point was less around if PA should be classed as a terrorist group or not (it absolutely should not imo) and more around the fact that police forces around the country claim to be under resourced yet have the resources to prioritise this.

If you phone up and say your car has been nicked or your house has been burgled there's nobody available, someone on my road was burgled and it was over a week before the police turned up. Yet a few OAPs sat on the steps of the Mandela statue in London, Mandela of course having been declared by this country to be a terrorist, sees the Met able to find hundreds of police to attend and arrest.
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I get your point, but supporting a terrorist organisation is something that generally we would all like to see policed quite strongly no?

As I say, whether PA is a terrorist organisation is an entirely different discussion. But given it's designation I would say the police have to take it very seriously, whether it's clearly a bunch of middle class people holding signs or not.
 
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PVA

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  • Yesterday at 1:38 PM
  • #5,268
Sick Boy said:
As is the case with dear leader, morals and principles quickly go out of the window with some.
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And obeying the law goes out of the window with some apparently.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Yesterday at 1:39 PM
  • #5,269
chiefdave said:
This, how you can watch things like the recent documentary on C4 or some of the horrific footage that's been on this thread this week alone and think the real problem is protesters is beyond me.

It's frankly mind boggling that people are putting people sitting quietly on the steps of a statue up there with actively supporting ISIS and Al Queda
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People are calling a terror group a terror group.

Let's face it, if I wanted to I could spend all day today watching horrific footage from wars of people being killed. There's plenty of wars, plenty of footage, plenty of deaths. There has been for as long as I remember.

Who has said anything about the "real problem"? You're making stuff up.

People are too desperate to be "on the right side of history" with their bullshit.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Yesterday at 1:39 PM
  • #5,270
PVA said:
And obeying the law goes out of the window with some apparently.
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Indeed it does but apparently the trick is to make sure you don’t it in front of police.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Yesterday at 1:42 PM
  • #5,271
Sick Boy said:
Indeed it does but apparently the trick is to make sure you don’t it in front of police.
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I mean, that's common sense really.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Yesterday at 1:44 PM
  • #5,272
Nick said:
I mean, that's common sense really.
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Indeed but it’s just hypocrisy if you’ve just posted that anyone breaking the law should be arrested but then regularly post about breaking the law yourself on a public forum.
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 1:47 PM
  • #5,273
Nick said:
People are too desperate to be "on the right side of history" with their bullshit.
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How awful

You’ve been ranting for a solid hour on another thread about what medicines fat people should be allowed to take, why are you so aghast that other people choose to get passionate about other topics?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Yesterday at 1:49 PM
  • #5,274
They’re a militant organisation not a terrorist organisation and there is a difference. Spay painting a few military planes while organising mass largely if not entirely peaceful protest in the streets is not terrorism. Targeting innocent people with bombs is terrorism. We’ve seen terrorism in this country from Warrington to 7/7 attacks. You’d think we’d be smart enough to know the difference.

Starmer is in danger of making Israel’s invasion of Gaza into his GW2. The public eventually seen though the propaganda and Tony Blair is widely seen as a war criminal. Starmer seems intent on joining the club with continual arms support, blind eye turning and the demonising of protesters.
 
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Nick

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  • Yesterday at 1:51 PM
  • #5,275
SBT said:
How awful

You’ve been ranting for a solid hour on another thread about what medicines fat people should be allowed to take, why are you so aghast that other people choose to get passionate about other topics?
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It's just being honest.
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 1:54 PM
  • #5,276
Nick said:
It's just being honest.
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And the other people in this thread aren’t?
 

Sick Boy

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  • Yesterday at 1:55 PM
  • #5,277
skybluetony176 said:
Starmer is in danger of making Israel’s invasion of Gaza into his GW2. The public eventually seen though the propaganda and Tony Blair is widely seen as a war criminal. Starmer seems intent on joining the club with continual arms support, blind eye turning and the demonising of protesters.
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This. He really is dreadful and will inevitably gift Number 10 to Farage.
 

Ian1779

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  • Yesterday at 2:06 PM
  • #5,278
Gaza officials say children killed in strike as Israeli military admits 'error'

PaLeStInE aCtIoN aRe ThE rEaL tErRoRiStS tHoUgH……
 
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lordsummerisle

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  • Yesterday at 8:47 PM
  • #5,279
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Palestine action should be, they attacked and vandalised our military base.
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Should be given medals for exposing the shit security, not proscribed as a terrorist organisation.

Would have been happy for the IRA, AL Quaeda and ISIS to not be proscribed as terrorist organisations as well if they just threw paint at objects too.
 
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