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Grendel

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  • Jun 16, 2025
  • #4,831
mmttww said:
Isn't assuming Israel can be trusted bordering on naive at this point, too? Settlements, Gaza, unilateral attacks of neighbouring countries, ignoring their biggest backer(s), all while sitting on a bunch of nukes with total zealot maniacs pulling the strings behind Netanyahu? I get we're a long from comparing apples vs. apples here but isn't it a bit oversimplistic at this point to make our thinking 'Iran scary, Israel chill'...?
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Well Israel present I believe zero threat to UK security, Iran on the other hand......
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 16, 2025
  • #4,832
Grendel said:
Well Israel present I believe zero threat to UK security, Iran on the other hand......
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I mean they’ve only butchered tens of thousands of civilians while starving many more but yes, as long as the UK is fine.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 16, 2025
  • #4,833
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I mean they’ve only butchered tens of thousands of civilians while starving many more but yes, as long as the UK is fine.
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Welcome to the real world. I am glad you have grown up at last.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 16, 2025
  • #4,834
Ian1779 said:
I’d equally want someone to destroy Israel’s ability to do both those things.
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Weird how Israel seem to get a pass on this but pre-emptive strikes on Iran gets excused as "Israel has a right to protect itself"
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 16, 2025
  • #4,835
Grendel said:
Welcome to the real world. I am glad you have grown up at last.
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In the real world there is a warrant out for the arrest of Netanyahu. Is there one for the Iranian leader?
 
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mmttww

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  • Jun 16, 2025
  • #4,836
Grendel said:
Israel present I believe zero threat to UK security...
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Directly, sure. Not convinced the the amount of sh*t they're starting won't ripple out if we're seen as enabling them. Doesn't mean they'd be responsible for that but also isn't the vibe of a stable ally.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 16, 2025
  • #4,837
Brighton Sky Blue said:
In the real world there is a warrant out for the arrest of Netanyahu. Is there one for the Iranian leader?
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Wow
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 16, 2025
  • #4,838
mmttww said:
Directly, sure. Not convinced the the amount of sh*t they're starting won't ripple out if we're seen as enabling them. Doesn't mean they'd be responsible for that but also isn't the vibe of a stable ally.
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Well I can’t see any circumstances we will not remain allies with them - along with Europe and the US
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 16, 2025
  • #4,839
Grendel said:
Wow
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I know, we’re helping to arm and fund a wanted criminal.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2025
  • #4,840
mmttww said:
Directly, sure. Not convinced the the amount of sh*t they're starting won't ripple out if we're seen as enabling them. Doesn't mean they'd be responsible for that but also isn't the vibe of a stable ally.
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There was a terrorist attack in Hartlepool that was motivated by the killing of Palestinian children. Fresh issues of threats to the UK Jewish community has been reported in just the last couple of days on top of the 140k+ of recorded hate crimes towards British Jews in 2024 with a trend that’s risen exponentially since Israel invaded Gaza. It’s beyond naive to suggest that Israel and its behaviour is not a threat to UK security when it so blatantly is.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 17, 2025
  • #4,841
Trump puts on social media that everyone should evacuate Tehran, a city of over 10 million people. Netanyahu says he really wants to assassinate the Ayatollah.

Who looks like the aggressor in this conflict?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 17, 2025
  • #4,842
We’re probably a few days away from trump doing a video of trump Tehran
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Jun 17, 2025
  • #4,843
All seriousness we're booked to go to Turkey for 10 nights at the end of July

What are the chances of them being dragged into/getting involved in this?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 17, 2025
  • #4,844
Saddlebrains said:
All seriousness we're booked to go to Turkey for 10 nights at the end of July

What are the chances of them being dragged into/getting involved in this?
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Practically zero.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 17, 2025
  • #4,845
Saddlebrains said:
All seriousness we're booked to go to Turkey for 10 nights at the end of July

What are the chances of them being dragged into/getting involved in this?
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I'm going to Ibiza and worried about the same.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Jun 17, 2025
  • #4,846
Ccfcisparks said:
I'm going to Ibiza and worried about the same.
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Tbf i don't think any of us would say no to Wayne Lineker being hit by a ballistic missile
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 17, 2025
  • #4,847
Saddlebrains said:
Tbf i don't think any of us would say no to Wayne Lineker being hit by a ballistic missile
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It could hit ocean beach and take all the influencers too
 
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mmttww

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  • Jun 17, 2025
  • #4,848

Israeli forces kill 51 Palestinians waiting for flour at Gaza aid site, witnesses and rescuers say

It is potentially the deadliest of the almost daily shootings that have been taking place recently near aid distribution sites.
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'Israel has a right to defend itself'. Nauseating.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 17, 2025
  • #4,849
mmttww said:

Israeli forces kill 51 Palestinians waiting for flour at Gaza aid site, witnesses and rescuers say

It is potentially the deadliest of the almost daily shootings that have been taking place recently near aid distribution sites.
www.bbc.co.uk

'Israel has a right to defend itself'. Nauseating.
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War criminals.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 17, 2025
  • #4,850
mmttww said:

Israeli forces kill 51 Palestinians waiting for flour at Gaza aid site, witnesses and rescuers say

It is potentially the deadliest of the almost daily shootings that have been taking place recently near aid distribution sites.
www.bbc.co.uk

'Israel has a right to defend itself'. Nauseating.
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Let’s wait for Starmer to parrot the ‘we stand with Israel’ line again.

Every day he doesn’t stop the sale of weapons to Israel he is enabling genocide.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 17, 2025
  • #4,851
Ian1779 said:
Let’s wait for Starmer to parrot the ‘we stand with Israel’ line again.

Every day he doesn’t stop the sale of weapons to Israel he is enabling genocide.
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The irony of a human rights lawyer enabling these war crimes
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 17, 2025
  • #4,852
Ccfcisparks said:
It could hit ocean beach and take all the influencers too
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TBF even the missiles baulk at the prices in those places
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 18, 2025
  • #4,853
Cc Brexit thread

 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 18, 2025
  • #4,854
fernandopartridge said:
Cc Brexit thread

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Fucking hell.
 
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SBT

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  • Jun 18, 2025
  • #4,855
fernandopartridge said:
Cc Brexit thread

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It seems banal to debate something as serious as this through the prism of something as parochial as Brexit, but does anyone think that Europe’s response to Israel would be any different if the EU didn’t exist?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 18, 2025
  • #4,856
SBT said:
It seems banal to debate something as serious as this through the prism of something as parochial as Brexit, but does anyone think that Europe’s response to Israel would be any different if the EU didn’t exist?
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It wouldn't have an unelected person purporting to speak on behalf of 27 nations
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 18, 2025
  • #4,857
fernandopartridge said:
Cc Brexit thread

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Great in theory but Starmer is parroting the same line while the UK supplies weapons, trains troops and is now sending out armed forces to the area.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 18, 2025
  • #4,858
fernandopartridge said:
Cc Brexit thread

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Isn’t that statement just the same as the one from the G7 summit?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 18, 2025
  • #4,859
fernandopartridge said:
Cc Brexit thread

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I very much doubt a majority of its citizens agrees with her.

I guess some countries committing war crimes and genocide in one country and then bombing another and trying to force regime change, are more equal than others.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 18, 2025
  • #4,860
chiefdave said:
Great in theory but Starmer is parroting the same line while the UK supplies weapons, trains troops and is now sending out armed forces to the area.
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Starmer is elected as prime minister to an extent though isn't he, as much as yes, you and SBT are right in that she supports the prevailing view amongst what must only be a completely compromised set of senior politicians pan Europe.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 18, 2025
  • #4,861
fernandopartridge said:
Starmer is elected as prime minister to an extent though isn't he, as much as yes, you and SBT are right in that she supports the prevailing view amongst what must only be a completely compromised set of senior politicians pan Europe.
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The US tells the G7 what to say, the G7 tell the EU what to say. And AIPAC tells the US what to say.
 
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SBT

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  • Jun 18, 2025
  • #4,862
fernandopartridge said:
It wouldn't have an unelected person purporting to speak on behalf of 27 nations
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Could you not say the same about the UN’s regular condemnations of Israel’s actions?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 18, 2025
  • #4,863
fernandopartridge said:
It wouldn't have an unelected person purporting to speak on behalf of 27 nations
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They are elected. And this line of thinking leads to only pure democracy being valid.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 18, 2025
  • #4,864
SBT said:
Could you not say the same about the UN’s regular condemnations of Israel’s actions?
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Yeah but he agrees with those.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 18, 2025
  • #4,865
And now Putin is warning not to mess with Iran
 
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