SkyBlueCRJ
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Really? The EFL board can enforce law (E.g. Fine players and clubs) and can push for their own laws to be implemented (E.g. Safe standing) so surely they are?
They’re not really a regulatory body though, they simply govern the running of a competition.
Their legislation is based on whether UK laws permit him to be involved in business.
If they didn’t allow him, it’d open up a whole raft of legal challenges that the EFL are not capable of or have the appetite to be involved in.
And they can’t suspend a sale because they don’t own or have an interest in any football club
Fines are not the same thing as business ownership though are they? Fines are just part of the membership rulesReally? The EFL board can enforce law (E.g. Fine players and clubs) and can push for their own laws to be implemented (E.g. Safe standing) so surely they are?
They can only suspend a purchase for a finite amount of time. The investigation is merely an excercise to find something that would hold wait in the judicial courts.So effectively as i've repeatedly stated their laws are completely outdated and bare no weight whatsoever.
They can't suspend a purchase but they can block a purchase due to the fit and proper owners test. Right that makes sense...
Fines are not the same thing as business ownership though are they? Fines are just part of the membership rules
Business ownership though is governed through the laws carried out by parliament.
You can’t just prevent someone from owning a business because you don’t agree with their methods - they have to be barred legally
And safe standing will be implemented, only if the government agree to it.
The sports governing body have no say over anything other than how their competition runs.I'm not discussing a parliamentary regulating body I'm discussing a sporting regulating body. The two are obviously different? A sports governing body is a sports organisation or party that has a regulatory or sanctioning function?
They can only suspend a purchase for a finite amount of time. The investigation is merely an excercise to find something that would hold wait in the judicial courts.
Again, they have no laws, they’re simply following the countries legal process. There’s never been anything that can do, I don’t understand why you think they ever could
Because the questions raised were based on what the EFL can do about dodgy owners.The fit and proper owners test was introduced for directors and owners of football clubs independently by the Premier League, EFL and National League. Why do you keep bringing in the country's legal process?
Because the questions raised were based on what the EFL can do about dodgy owners.
They brought this in so they could try to regulate ownership of the clubs, this in reality has never been effective or of use because said owners haven’t done anything that stops them running a business in the eyes of the law
I understand your premise but I'm afraid it's far too black and white and no offence intended but it sums up why the EFL and the F.A. are both criticised for being ineffective. Plus, I don't understand what interfering in general business practices has to do with anything really as obviously the F.A. or the EFL wouldn't get involved in such matters, unless it puts a club into harms way. If an owners choices interferes with the physical existence of a football club then the EFL should be granted sufficient powers to stop this. So I say again, that's not interfering in general business practices, that's representing and acting in the interests of its 72 members and its fans. Which is actually one of their main USP's.
The reason why I would despise Sisu and I am sure it is the same for other people is not because they didn’t chuck millions at us. That isn’t the issue at all. It is the totally incompetent way that they have run the club which has resulted in the Northampton fiasco, losing the chance to buy into the stadium, leaving us homeless and lots of other misdemeanours that most people could state. They are not fit and proper persons to own this club because they have severely, maybe fatally damaged it. The top and bottom of it is that the club is a community asset that they haven’t cared for and don’t care for. Our club is a hostage in whatever game they are playing.The problem people have is that they look at “fit and proper” as a moral/ethical thing.
The fact is you only fail it if you have broken the law. SISU from a football fans point of view are a nightmare - we all want them to chuck millions in without adding to the debt, but reality is they’re not going to. That isn’t unfit - that’s prudent.
With the stadium issue, all they have to argue is, is that the lease was unsustainable .they couldn’t afford it - again that’s not wrong.
The EFL cannot deem them unfit, because they’re following their legal rights to whatever justice they feel they’re owed.
The reason why I would despise Sisu and I am sure it is the same for other people is not because they didn’t chuck millions at us. That isn’t the issue at all. It is the totally incompetent way that they have run the club which has resulted in the Northampton fiasco, losing the chance to buy into the stadium, leaving us homeless and lots of other misdemeanours that most people could state. They are not fit and proper persons to own this club because they have severely, maybe fatally damaged it. The top and bottom of it is that the club is a community asset that they haven’t cared for and don’t care for. Our club is a hostage in whatever game they are playing.
We look at it from a fans point of view. The cold hard fact of the business world would see it as a business that was losing 7 million a year to breaking even.The reason why I would despise Sisu and I am sure it is the same for other people is not because they didn’t chuck millions at us. That isn’t the issue at all. It is the totally incompetent way that they have run the club which has resulted in the Northampton fiasco, losing the chance to buy into the stadium, leaving us homeless and lots of other misdemeanours that most people could state. They are not fit and proper persons to own this club because they have severely, maybe fatally damaged it. The top and bottom of it is that the club is a community asset that they haven’t cared for and don’t care for. Our club is a hostage in whatever game they are playing.
The reality is things like fines are part of the rules of competition but even then it doesn't follow that should someone decide to challenge them in court they would hold up. Its just nobody has ever bothered to challenge them as its not worth the hassle.Really? The EFL board can enforce law (E.g. Fine players and clubs) and can push for their own laws to be implemented (E.g. Safe standing) so surely they are?
A quarter of a million people on the streets after the cup win, surely the largest ever gathering in the city centre. Production in local factories improved in the week after a win. Just two examples of the impact the local football team can have. Even for those who don’t go, the football club matters. The council does seem to have washed their hands of our club. Shame on them for that.:
A community asset valued as such by the local council?
They also made sure SISU were the only game in town, so you can thank them for that aswellA quarter of a million people on the streets after the cup win, surely the largest ever gathering in the city centre. Production in local factories improved in the week after a win. Just two examples of the impact the local football team can have. Even for those who don’t go, the football club matters. The council does seem to have washed their hands of our club. Shame on them for that.
I think most sensible people wouldn’t just expect someone to come in and lose a shed load of money. What they would want, particularly after the experience of Sisu running (ruining) the club, is to have owners who clearly care, who are transparent and who communicate. I think a lot of difficult decisions would be accepted if the circumstances are made clear. Sisu don’t care about the club, the fans or the city and everyone knows this.We look at it from a fans point of view. The cold hard fact of the business world would see it as a business that was losing 7 million a year to breaking even.
And As Grendel said, if it was such a treasured community asset, then the council wouldn’t have put the final nail in the coffin that all but makes Coventry City unsaleable
I think most sensible people wouldn’t just expect someone to come in and lose a shed load of money. What they would want, particularly after the experience of Sisu running (ruining) the club, is to have owners who clearly care, who are transparent and who communicate. I think a lot of difficult decisions would be accepted if the circumstances are made clear. Sisu don’t care about the club, the fans or the city and everyone knows this.
For a non regulatory body they sure have a lot of regulations.They’re not really a regulatory body though, they simply govern the running of a competition.
Look at the way the city responded to things like the JPT win and the play offs. Even at that level it was a bigger deal than anything else in recent times.A quarter of a million people on the streets after the cup win, surely the largest ever gathering in the city centre. Production in local factories improved in the week after a win. Just two examples of the impact the local football team can have. Even for those who don’t go, the football club matters. The council does seem to have washed their hands of our club. Shame on them for that.
SISU could also help to resolve the crisis once and for all by agreeing to sell the Club to new owners who would secure a long-term sustainable future for the Sky Blues in Coventry.
We understand that an offer for the Club was made last year and is still on the table.
The fit and proper owners test was introduced for directors and owners of football clubs independently by the Premier League, EFL and National League. Why do you keep bringing in the country's legal process?
Shock, people saying Hoffman is preparing a bid after speaking to him in the casino.
And put sisu out flag on fishersLet’s jump in his car
He’s gonna take us home
And put sisu out flag on fishers
He's going to prepare a bid if Dale lands black on the roulette tableShock, people saying Hoffman is preparing a bid after speaking to him in the casino.
How obvious was it months ago?
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