Gleneagles65
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Nice one! Give Tombland a visit. Cathedral worth a look at and the Ribs of Beef pub and eateries are very nice.
Nice one! Give Tombland a visit. Cathedral worth a look at and the Ribs of Beef pub and eateries are very nice.I've got my Naaarwich ticket. Long weekend, back on Tuesday! Looking forward to it. Boys need our support!
I think the talk of it being a closed shop isn’t about it impossible to get tickets for any away games, it’s about it being impossible for new fans to ever catch up with the people at the top of the pyramid. If you’re a new ST holder who diligently attends all the cup games and unglamorous midweek aways etc to build up points how long will it take you to reach a point where you’re in the running for a Birmingham or Leicester away ticket?That shouldn't happen.
But the games not sold out, people bitching about nonexistent closed shops have a chance to actually earn some points.
I think the talk of it being a closed shop isn’t about it impossible to get tickets for any away games, it’s about it being impossible for new fans to ever catch up with the people at the top of the pyramid. If you’re a new ST holder who diligently attends all the cup games and unglamorous midweek aways etc to build up points how long will it take you to reach a point where you’re in the running for a Birmingham or Leicester away ticket?
Curious about how many away games that takes really, on average the wife and I were making 5-10 per season but always seemed to be middle of the road points wise. Not complaining to be clear.Probably about 3 or 4 years, the same as it took the rest of us.
And people at the top of the pyramid won't be there forever, they die off, they stop going, as someone said there are probably 6-700 absolute diehards (of which I'm not one).
Don’t the rest of us have the benefit of points already accrued in the past three years? Which makes us more likely to get away tickets which makes it harder for tickets to make general sale etc etcProbably about 3 or 4 years, the same as it took the rest of us.
And people at the top of the pyramid won't be there forever, they die off, they stop going, as someone said there are probably 6-700 absolute diehards (of which I'm not one).
I would need 600 more points to make the top tier - that’s on top of the four or five aways I do a season. Are there 200 extra points available to me every season? Someone with better spreadsheet access than me would be able to say but I’m not sure.Curious about how many away games that takes really, on average the wife and I were making 5-10 per season but always seemed to be middle of the road points wise. Not complaining to be clear.
Probably about 3 or 4 years, the same as it took the rest of us.
And people at the top of the pyramid won't be there forever, they die off, they stop going, as someone said there are probably 6-700 absolute diehards (of which I'm not one).
We're currently on around 1300, and that's having only been to two away games this season. We'd probably only be on 1400 under 'usual' circumstances though.I would need 600 more points to make the top tier - that’s on top of the four or five aways I do a season. Are there 200 extra points available to me every season? Someone with better spreadsheet access than me would be able to say but I’m not sure.
Don’t the rest of us have the benefit of points already accrued in the past three years? Which makes us more likely to get away tickets which makes it harder for tickets to make general sale etc etc
Like it or not (and I don’t expect any longstanding fans to like it), the competition for tickets is going to increase to the point where the club won’t be able to successfully engage and monetise the next generation of fans if the best deal we can offer them involves travelling the country for years and/or waiting for the older fans to die. If we’re not already there we soon will be.
I would need 600 more points to make the top tier - that’s on top of the four or five aways I do a season. Are there 200 extra points available to me every season? Someone with better spreadsheet access than me would be able to say but I’m not sure.
I had similar opinions to you. I wanted to go to as many games as I could.
My points have been built up over the past 3 years. Midweek mainly.
I’m thinking that I absolutely deserve to be ahead of those who don’t travel.
In years gone by I didn’t bother due to work, family and money being tight.
This season league games points needed to get a ticket this season
General sale. Norwich, Preston, Portsmouth, Sheffield Wednesday, Millwall (All weekday games)
500 pts Middlesborough. Mid-week.
1000 Plus. Southampton.
1100 Plus. Charlton
1400 pts or more. Leicester, Birmingham, Ipswich, Stoke, Wrexham, Oxford, Derby.
Cup games?
So realistically it’s taking someone on fewer points than me (of which there are many) a lot longer than four years to reach the top of the pyramid - if indeed it’s possible at all.Probably just about 200 available with cup games. Might be a bit more this season with the amount of midweek away games.
So you 've done 29 out of 82 and there are only 3-4 games you won't be able to get tickets for. Certainly one in the eye for those saying it's a closed shop. Fair play for sharing. It shows we have it about right and the reactions because a couple of entitled can't get to a particular game are best ignored. Hopefully yours are less in 22/23 and more of the recent ones as the 22/23 will drop off at the end of this season.Just looking at my history. From the 22/23 season up to Norwich I will have done 29 away league matches, 3 FA Cup away matches and 1 League Cup away match. That doesn't include any mid week away matches in the league, and just one League Cup match away.
Combine that with doing all home cup and play offs along with Wembley and I'm currently in the 1600 bracket. This season I think that will lead to me not being able to get tickets to 3-4 away matches, Wrexham and Oxford so far, likely QPR and I can imagine Watford being potentially tricky.
Before this season doing an average of 7-8 away matches would have been possible on a much lower point tally. This season I think we have been selling out most allocations quicker than previously, but that's to be expected with how we have been playing.
There are people who go to every game. We do most, but not all and are in the first allocation, but many with loads more points. The only way you get to the top of the tree is not to miss a game, home or away plus cups, for 4 consecutive seasons.So realistically it’s taking someone on fewer points than me (of which there are many) a lot longer than four years to reach the top of the pyramid - if indeed it’s possible at all.
So realistically it’s taking someone on fewer points than me (of which there are many) a lot longer than four years to reach the top of the pyramid - if indeed it’s possible at all.
22/23Which season is the next in line to be wiped off?
It’s not about it not being feasible, it’s literally not possible in the current system for people to go to every game, that’s my point.Well that depends, go to every game, which I know isn't feasible for everyone, it certainly isn't for me, and you wouldn't be far away after 4 years.
That's what the people in the top tier gave done.
I am on smack bang 1700 points22/23
It’s not about it not being feasible, it’s literally not possible in the current system for people to go to every game, that’s my point.
4 season tickets alone gets you to 920 points?It's longer than that in practice. Our most recent seasons of having season tickets, started 3.5 years ago. We've been doing as many shit away games as we can and we are on about 1000 points, my son on 950 ish.
Did you not have a ST in 22/23?Didn't realise you could check your points online. I'm on 1830 and it looks like I'll have 130 wiped off for the 22/23 season next. Plus my ST points and I should be comfortably over 1900+ for the PL season next year
Many of those points never become available for fans outside of a certain points bracket though.There were 670 points available in 24/25 if my maths is right.
It's really not a closed shop thoughMany of those points never become available for fans outside of a certain points bracket though.
Right, so getting to the top tier in that case is what, a 5 or 6 year process? Assuming demand stays the same and we get enough home cup games etcIt's really not a closed shop though
Getting a ST, going to all home cup games and Wembley games in the previous 3 seasons would put you on 1140 points without even going to an away match.
Add in just 2 saturday away matches a season puts you on 1200
Only 3 matches sold out before reaching that points bracket last season...
Ahhh bollocks.Did you not have a ST in 22/23?
It seems to me you are a good example of the kind of fan who the club could be keeping more engaged by offering you some kind of chance to attend certain games, however small. Presumably you would be happy to pay something for the privilege, but under the current situation the only people benefiting are the fire stick guys.This is not a complaint, more a shoulder shrug of acceptance. I had a season ticket for years but moved away from the area. I still attended many home and away games but then kids scuppered that. I started going more frequently again in about 2013 (the fallow years) including unforgettable trips to Barnet, Crawley, Stevenage etc. Unfortunately just as things improved circumstances changed and I could only manage about four games per season. Now if I want to attend it is increasingly difficult as I can only make certain dates and they never seem to coincide with ready availablilty. I get why some are annoyed at not being able to get tickets but I have accepted it as a consequence of both success and non-attendance. Regular attendees SHOULD get priority and I just begrudgingly accept that away games are pretty much a thing of the past and a firestick is my friend.
Home games yes. The club get no benefit if he gets an away ticket other than pissing off someone who does attend regularly.It seems to me you are a good example of the kind of fan who the club could be keeping more engaged by offering you some kind of chance to attend certain games, however small. Presumably you would be happy to pay something for the privilege, but under the current situation the only people benefiting are the fire stick guys.
That's buisness folks! I usually end up paying for hospitality these days as all the good seats are gone by the time I can get a ticket and at my age hospitality is a more pleasant prospect! Funnily enough I attended Norwich away last season.........and wished I hadn't.Home games yes. The club get no benefit if he gets an away ticket other than pissing off someone who does attend regularly.
If it was your business, would you want the casual person who spends occasionally or the ones that blindly follow and buy your goods whatever the quality of them? Of course you want both, but if you have to make a choice, then you'll select the low maintenance cash cow and keep rinsing them for that you are able to.
Been through all of this before.It's really not a closed shop though
Getting a ST, going to all home cup games and Wembley games in the previous 3 seasons would put you on 1140 points without even going to an away match.
Add in just 2 saturday away matches a season puts you on 1200
Only 3 matches sold out before reaching that points bracket last season...
The problem with your fairest way is that it isnt actualy fair. I am fortunate and qualify for the majority of games however i object to potentially missing out on a low allocation game to somebody who has minimum points but wins a ballot. Already we have supporters clubs guaranteed tickets at lower brackets and im sure the club also take an amount for players to distribute too. Imagine Bournemouth away in the premier under your proposal... people in the highest bracket probably miss out.Been through all of this before.
For those who have not been able to justify having a season ticket for differing undestandable reasons over the previous qualifying seasons are in all practicality 'shut out' of almost all games. The only ones that can be attended are those that are midweek away and the couple of those games away with big allocations such Sheff Wednesday and Stoke in cup and Im sure Blackburn.
I have over 900 points and only got to Preston, Sheffied Wednesday and Stoke in FA cup. This is someone who has been to countless home and away games over a very long time period. Some games were possible to get tickets for but not practical with being midweek and more than 200 plus miles away from me .
Cant be 100% but this is my analysis so far for someone with 900 points and likely situation should we continue being in contention for direct promotion.
Impossible
Saturday 16th (3pm) – Derby County (A)
Saturday 30th (3pm) - Oxford United (A)
Saturday 20th (3pm) – Leicester City (A)
Saturday 1st (3pm) – Wrexham (A)
Saturday 8th (3pm) – Stoke City (A)
Saturday 6th (3pm) – Ipswich Town (A)
Saturday 20th (3pm) – Southampton (A)
Sunday 4th (3pm) – Birmingham City (A)
Not sure what happened with this match
Thursday 1st (3pm) – Charlton Athletic (A)
Possible
Wednesday 1st (7:45pm) – Millwall (A)
Saturday 4th (3pm) – Sheffield Wednesday (A)
Tuesday 21st (7:45pm) – Portsmouth (A)
Tuesday 25th (7:45pm) – Middlesbrough (A)
Tuesday 9th (7:45pm) – Preston North End (A)
Future game predictions
Monday 27th (3pm) – Norwich City (A) possible
Saturday 31st (3pm) – Queens Park Rangers (A) impossible
Saturday 21st (3pm) – West Bromwich Albion (A) impossible
Wednesday 25th (7:45pm) – Sheffield United (A) unlikely
Saturday 7th (3pm) – Bristol City (A) very unlikely or likely is switched to midweek
Saturday 21st (3pm) – Swansea City (A) very unlikely
Monday 6th (3pm) – Hull City (A) very unlikely
Saturday 18th (3pm) – Blackburn Rovers (A) possible
Saturday 2nd (12:30pm) – Watford (A) impossible
So on current scheduling estimate only 7 games available this season to me with 5 of them on a week day and 16 in all likelihood being impossible.
Fairest way is a ballot or at least a partial ballot when some tickets are kept to one side to allow a small portion of different people to go.
Sorry if its long but I thought I would just try and do some proper analysis.
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