Is everyone at least happy we are still alive and kicking? (1 Viewer)

Paxman II · Jul 3, 2014

Seems to me that a lot has been forgotten due to the excesses of legal battles and contentious fall outs over the Ricoh Arena.
The fact is we still have a football club playing in the league this coming season and buying and selling players, building a squad for a promotion challenge (says Pressley) so while the debacle continues over the Ricoh, are we at least grateful for small mercies?

I'm not suggesting we pat SISU on the back but at least on the football side they have been doing the right things under a new manager for some time now. What a pity then that Ms Sepella can't find her way clear to at least consider an immediate negotiation with the council over a temporary return to the Ricoh that has no strings attached on a vastly reduced rent or (perhaps free rent so not to alter their stance on ACL or jeopardise their case in anyway) and look to mend relationships that may lead to better understanding on both sides of the arguments which just might lead to a long term future that could involve the Ricoh?

You certainly are no closer to any solution while playing in Northampton with a defiant attitude.

I would like to see the council/ACL make a clear offer themselves directly to Ms Sepella on behalf of the community they represent and to ensure the stadium is used, the local businesses benefit and they will get 100% support from all supporters I'm sure.

SISU can only benefit - but there in lies the elephant in the room....this would also benefit ACL the very company they want to distress. However what I don't see is even with ACL busted what is the end game? What makes SISU believe that in any way ensures they have the first shout on obtaining a new lease or a form of ownership of the Ricoh themselves ahead of any other interested groups? And if it's not about this, then what is it and why would taking us to Northampton have any other bearing?

ccfcway · Jul 3, 2014

CCFC playing in Northampton isn't alive and kicking.

I would say it was "being kept alive by a life support machine and I think I just saw a limb move"

The Gentleman · Jul 3, 2014

Paxman II said:
Seems to me that a lot has been forgotten due to the excesses of legal battles and contentious fall outs over the Ricoh Arena.
The fact is we still have a football club playing in the league this coming season and buying and selling players, building a squad for a promotion challenge (says Pressley) so while the debacle continues over the Ricoh, are we at least grateful for small mercies?

I'm not suggesting we pat SISU on the back but at least on the football side they have been doing the right things under a new manager for some time now. What a pity then that Ms Sepella can't find her way clear to at least consider an immediate negotiation with the council over a temporary return to the Ricoh that has no strings attached on a vastly reduced rent or (perhaps free rent so not to alter their stance on ACL or jeopardise their case in anyway) and look to mend relationships that may lead to better understanding on both sides of the arguments which just might lead to a long term future that could involve the Ricoh?

You certainly are no closer to any solution while playing in Northampton with a defiant attitude.

I would like to see the council/ACL make a clear offer themselves directly to Ms Sepella on behalf of the community they represent and to ensure the stadium is used, the local businesses benefit and they will get 100% support from all supporters I'm sure.

SISU can only benefit - but there in lies the elephant in the room....this would also benefit ACL the very company they want to distress. However what I don't see is even with ACL busted what is the end game? What makes SISU believe that in any way ensures they have the first shout on obtaining a new lease or a form of ownership of the Ricoh themselves ahead of any other interested groups? And if it's not about this, then what is it and why would taking us to Northampton have any other bearing?

I'm sorry but is the bit I highlighted a joke. What right things have Sisu been doing exactly to bring us to our lowest ebb in years in footballing terms? If as you say they have been doing the right things for some time now and are building a promotion a team for a promotion challenge, then all we have to go on is the signings in the last 12 months. I cannot possibly see a promotion challenge based on that. We have already lost two of our best players from last season, bigger teams are sniffing round Wilson and if the price is right he will go so what exactly are we building around?

To answer your question, Yes I am happy that we are still alive (just) but I finish that sentence with the caveat that I am not hopeful for the future unless there is a massive (and I do mean massive) shift in how Sisu/Otium think a football club should be run

Monners · Jul 3, 2014

Wouldn't say we are alive and kicking really. We are becoming less and less of a football club as time goes by i.e. at the core of the local community. And I don't just mean geographically, but also how the club is run and for what purpose - supporting investors being the primary function. It is why a lot of people are turned off by football - its all about the money.

steveo1987 · Jul 3, 2014

The Gentleman said:
I'm sorry but is the bit I highlighted a joke. What right things have Sisu been doing exactly to bring us to our lowest ebb in years in footballing terms? If as you say they have been doing the right things for some time now and are building a promotion a team for a promotion challenge, then all we have to go on is the signings in the last 12 months. I cannot possibly see a promotion challenge based on that. We have already lost two of our best players from last season, bigger teams are sniffing round Wilson and if the price is right he will go so what exactly are we building around?

To answer your question, Yes I am happy that we are still alive (just) but I finish that sentence with the caveat that I am not hopeful for the future unless there is a massive (and I do mean massive) shift in how Sisu/Otium think a football club should be run

the side assembled by a certain Chris Coleman ,with sisu owning the club back then really should have gone up.
Constructive posts are not applicable.

lewys33 · Jul 3, 2014

It depends which way you look at it. Would you prefer them to liquidate now so we can start again, or a long slow painful death whilst they continue this ever-lasting shit storm.

The Gentleman · Jul 3, 2014

steveo1987 said:
the side assembled by a certain Chris Coleman ,with sisu owning the club back then really should have gone up.
Constructive posts are not applicable.

Do you think that Sisu have (in footballing terms) been doing the right thing for some time now as Paxman says?

I based my answer on the last 2/3 years because that to me is 'some time now'.

steveo1987 · Jul 3, 2014

The Gentleman said:
Do you think that Sisu have (in footballing terms) been doing the right thing for some time now as Paxman says?

I based my answer on the last 2/3 years because that to me is 'some time now'.

I base my opinion on the whole tenure. The last two years have been a disaster, but over the long term we really should have done better.

Ian1779 · Jul 3, 2014

They may have a point with some of their ideas but their execution is fucking terrible.

sky blue john · Jul 3, 2014

Ian1779 said:
They may have a point with some of their ideas but their execution is fucking terrible.

Please elaborate ?

covcity4life · Jul 3, 2014

i know what you mean paxman and maybe if we do cease to exist we will wish we were at least playing in northampton.

but i dunno,...more we stay there more we aint cov city anyway

Jack Griffin · Jul 3, 2014

I agree it is a good thing to clear out expensive contracts and start afresh with a new perspective and a strategy of promoting youth from the development side.

However they've made the club so unattractive that the more senior players needed to bolster the side won't want to come unless they have no other option, they have also made the academy unattractive for the same reasons, why would a player in their right mind want to come to a basket case club like this!

Plus they've got no income, so what they’re actually doing is as much about cutting costs to run without needing much if any financial injection as much as anything else.

SISU are digging in for a siege in fortress Sixfields.

Ian1779 · Jul 3, 2014

sky blue john said:
Please elaborate ?

A football club controlling it's own financial destiny by accessing the revenue streams it helps to generate.
Promoting youth players into the first team to create a sustainable flow of players.

All good ideas - However as I said the way they gone about trying to doing it is fucking abysmal.

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 3, 2014

I feel the club has a terminal illness (sisu) and there is no treatment available. So so sad

shmmeee · Jul 3, 2014

Though I'd agree on the face of it that they're getting their act together on the pitch, it seems more by accident than design.

I'll leave you with my favourite Sisu on the pitch stat. Every manager hired has done worse than the last (if you control for the division we're in). We have consistently got worse every year Sisu have been here (statistically, based on win % manager to manager).

fernandopartridge · Jul 3, 2014

They're doing the type of dead wood clearing that should have been done in 2007.
They did an initial clearout then but allowed those wankers Coleman and Ranson to replace it with more deadwood.
I can't really give credit for the current 'policy' as like has been said it's driven by necessity.

shmmeee · Jul 3, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
They're doing the type of dead wood clearing that should have been done in 2007.
They did an initial clearout then but allowed those wankers Coleman and Ranson to replace it with more deadwood.
I can't really give credit for the current 'policy' as like has been said it's driven by necessity.

We lost a similar amount of dead wood last season and the season before that.

Perhaps the whole forest is dead?

fernandopartridge · Jul 3, 2014

shmmeee said:
We lost a similar amount of dead wood last season and the season before that.

Perhaps the whole forest is dead?

We have historically had too many players. Used over 30 players in SISU's first season and 37 in 2012/13.

Despite some players being loans they all cost. The fact the club in my memory hasn't retained either a central defensive, striking or midfield partnership for more than a season says a lot about why every season seems to go the same way.

shmmeee · Jul 3, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
We have historically had too many players. Used over 30 players in SISU's first season and 37 in 2012/13.

Despite some players being loans they all cost. The fact the club in my memory hasn't retained either a central defensive, striking or midfield partnership for more than a season says a lot about why every season seems to go the same way.

TBF, two bad seasons to pick from statistically (2 managers and a new owner in one, 3 managers and a new division in the other) but you're probably right.

I'd just be a lot happier if the "dead wood" wasn't most of our stand out players from last season. We have 4 senior, non-academy grad, players left at the club (Baker, Fleck, Webster, Seaborne) plus 3 academy grads (Clarke, Thomas, Wilson). And there's an argument that over half of them aren't up to scratch.

Hobo · Jul 3, 2014

Paxman II said:
Seems to me that a lot has been forgotten due to the excesses of legal battles and contentious fall outs over the Ricoh Arena.
The fact is we still have a football club playing in the league this coming season and buying and selling players, building a squad for a promotion challenge (says Pressley) so while the debacle continues over the Ricoh, are we at least grateful for small mercies?

I'm not suggesting we pat SISU on the back but at least on the football side they have been doing the right things under a new manager for some time now. What a pity then that Ms Sepella can't find her way clear to at least consider an immediate negotiation with the council over a temporary return to the Ricoh that has no strings attached on a vastly reduced rent or (perhaps free rent so not to alter their stance on ACL or jeopardise their case in anyway) and look to mend relationships that may lead to better understanding on both sides of the arguments which just might lead to a long term future that could involve the Ricoh?

You certainly are no closer to any solution while playing in Northampton with a defiant attitude.

I would like to see the council/ACL make a clear offer themselves directly to Ms Sepella on behalf of the community they represent and to ensure the stadium is used, the local businesses benefit and they will get 100% support from all supporters I'm sure.

SISU can only benefit - but there in lies the elephant in the room....this would also benefit ACL the very company they want to distress. However what I don't see is even with ACL busted what is the end game? What makes SISU believe that in any way ensures they have the first shout on obtaining a new lease or a form of ownership of the Ricoh themselves ahead of any other interested groups? And if it's not about this, then what is it and why would taking us to Northampton have any other bearing?

When the body is still showing signs of life there is always hope. We still exist as a club and we are still competing (even if handicapped).

But even if Joy liquidated us (theoretical only at this stage), I believe there would be a Pheonix club , a brand new club (out of the ashes is the only acceptable Pheonix club). The new club coming out of the ashes of CCFC would continue the tradition in the eyes of the fans. If we had to start from scratch we would do, Joy would not defeat the fans on that one. There will always be a club that is Coventry City in the eye of the fans.

I agree with you, it is time for ACL to put a new offer on the table for SISU.

fernandopartridge · Jul 3, 2014

shmmeee said:
TBF, two bad seasons to pick from statistically (2 managers and a new owner in one, 3 managers and a new division in the other) but you're probably right.

I'd just be a lot happier if the "dead wood" wasn't most of our stand out players from last season. We have 4 senior, non-academy grad, players left at the club (Baker, Fleck, Webster, Seaborne) plus 3 academy grads (Clarke, Thomas, Wilson). And there's an argument that over half of them aren't up to scratch.

We've not had many seasons where the hasn't been a managerial change! (that in itself backs up the mismanagement point)

Jack Griffin · Jul 3, 2014

One might believe Micheal Schumacher to be in better shape.

PS I do hope he makes a good recovery..

Hobo · Jul 3, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
We've not had many seasons where the hasn't been a managerial change! (that in itself backs up the mismanagement point)

I agree and we are crying out for some stability. SP is far from perfect but he has some positives also..I would like to see him given more time and be judged realistically. He needs some support, good coaches, good scouts etc.,

Even Alex Ferguson didn't do it alone!

wingy · Jul 3, 2014

Hobo said:
I agree and we are crying out for some stability. SP is far from perfect but he has some positives also..I would like to see him given more time and be judged realistically. He needs some support, good coaches, good scouts etc.,

Even Alex Ferguson didn't do it alone!

He needs the benefit of having 10K + sitting In the Ricoh and the associated benefits of that available to him.

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