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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Mar 30, 2022
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #142
SlowerThanPlatt said:
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Booing is OTT, but it bewilders me how he still has a starting place considering he seems to make a mistake for man united every week
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #143
Ccfcisparks said:
Booing is OTT, but it bewilders me how he still has a starting place considering he seems to make a mistake for man united every week
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I can't think of one major error he's made for England though.

Some players are just more suited to the international game
 
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Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #144
The last couple of England managers have said they will pick players on form, including Southgate. By that reckoning Harry Maguire should be nowhere near the squad as he has had a terrible season

Also funny how Grealish is in the team more when at Man City but wasn't when he was at the top of his game at Villa

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wingy

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #145
Liquid Gold said:
I can't think of one major error he's made for England though.

Some players are just more suited to the international game
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I might be wrong here but I feel it's almost the converse situation in comparison to John Stones .
My personal opinion is that it's all about the dynamics at Man Utd.
 

Otis

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #146
skyblue1991 said:
The last couple of England managers have said they will pick players on form, including Southgate. By that reckoning Harry Maguire should be nowhere near the squad as he has had a terrible season

Also funny how Grealish is in the team more when at Man City but wasn't when he was at the top of his game at Villa

Nothing changes

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To be fair, Southgate always seemed unsure as to where Grealish would fit into the side, even when he first went to Man City.

Southgate is in love with Mount and also really rates Foden and Rice, so it is at times hard fro Grealish to find a place in the England line-up.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #147
skyblue1991 said:
The last couple of England managers have said they will pick players on form, including Southgate. By that reckoning Harry Maguire should be nowhere near the squad as he has had a terrible season

Also funny how Grealish is in the team more when at Man City but wasn't when he was at the top of his game at Villa

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Grealish moving to Citeh means he's now playing regular Champions League football so has experience of better players and bigger occasions than at Villa. He was in the squad anyway so I don't see why that would change.

Who would you have picked in his place?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #148
Otis said:
To be fair, Southgate always seemed unsure as to where Grealish would fit into the side, even when he first went to Man City.

Southgate is in love with Mount and also really rates Foden and Rice, so it is at times hard fro Grealish to find a place in the England line-up.
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Its clear our best 2 and the 2 we should be playing for the foreseeable should be Bellingham and Rice. If Kane is a guaranteed selection up top, theres 3 places to fight out for. Think Foden should be 1, Sterling likely another and its hard to discount Saka from the argument too, we are very fortunate in those attacking positions.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #149
wingy said:
I might be wrong here but I feel it's almost the converse situation in comparison to John Stones .
My personal opinion is that it's all about the dynamics at Man Utd.
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Stones is one of those more modern defenders that is basically a holding midfielder that plays at the back because he's tall and can head.

I don't think you need them so much at international level with the slower pace of the game and just being a big strong lump (Maguire, Bonucci etc.) is enough
 
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Otis

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #150
Ccfcisparks said:
Its clear our best 2 and the 2 we should be playing for the foreseeable should be Bellingham and Rice. If Kane is a guaranteed selection up top, theres 3 places to fight out for. Think Foden should be 1, Sterling likely another and its hard to discount Saka from the argument too, we are very fortunate in those attacking positions.
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It will be Mount though. He is a Southgate favourite.

I don't think he's done particularly well for England myself. Done really well at club level, but hasn't shine that brightly for England. I much prefer Foden to Mount.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #151
skyblue1991 said:
The last couple of England managers have said they will pick players on form, including Southgate. By that reckoning Harry Maguire should be nowhere near the squad as he has had a terrible season

Also funny how Grealish is in the team more when at Man City but wasn't when he was at the top of his game at Villa

Nothing changes

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It's also still the case that having appeared for the U21's will get you a leg up to the first team more than being a good player who's worked their way up.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #152
cowboy1850 said:
England u-17 0-2 Luxembourg u-17

What happened there...?!
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At that age players tend to be pushed forward on recommendation of their clubs/agent, it’s U19 and closer to first team football you can get a representation imo
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #153
Liquid Gold said:
Bullshit pen call for Poland.

You're apparently allowed to jump into someone and fall over now and it's a pen.

Portugal getting every decision in that game too.
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Tom Lawrence
 

Frostie

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #154
Ccfcisparks said:
Booing is OTT, but it bewilders me how he still has a starting place considering he seems to make a mistake for man united every week
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Maguire is a very good centre back, exceptional in the air & uses the ball brilliantly. Unfortunately he also has glaring weaknesses, particularly with regards his pace/agility.

For United he plays in a system which doesn't play to his strengths at all & actually exposes his weaknesses massively. They allow midfield runners to get up against their Centre Backs & he can be ripped apart by someone with pace & skill.

He has never let England down though & we are a lot more pragmatic about playing to players strengths. Southgate was slaughtered for his use of defensive midfielders but the systems we use & players like Rice allow Maguire to flourish.
 
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CovBrummie94

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #155
skyblue1991 said:
The last couple of England managers have said they will pick players on form, including Southgate. By that reckoning Harry Maguire should be nowhere near the squad as he has had a terrible season

Also funny how Grealish is in the team more when at Man City but wasn't when he was at the top of his game at Villa

Nothing changes

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Southgate has never really picked on form. He has always had his favourites.
 

Frostie

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #156
CovBrummie94 said:
Southgate has never really picked on form. He has always had his favourites.
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I don't see a problem with that tbh.
I think you have to keep players around that you know can play the styles, systems & tactics you want & won't let you down.

If Southgate picked purely on form Sterling wouldn't have played much/at all at the Euros & ended up being arguably the tournament's best player. Pickford arguably wouldn't have played either & was exceptional.

If the public had their way & there were no "favourites" Alan Shearer wouldn't have played at Euro 96.
 
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CovBrummie94

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #157
Frostie said:
I don't see a problem with that tbh.
I think you have to keep players around that you know can play the styles, systems & tactics you want & won't let you down.

If Southgate picked purely on form Sterling wouldn't have played much/at all at the Euros & ended up being arguably the tournament's best player. Pickford arguably wouldn't have played either & was exceptional.

If the public had their way & there were no "favourites" Alan Shearer wouldn't have played at Euro 96.
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No I don't think it's a problem. I'm happy for the likes of Pickford and Maguire to be selected as they've never let us down and always perform when called upon.

It will become an issue for Southgate if the success stops. People will use his selection of out of form "favourites" as a stick to beat him with, but that's just part of football management I guess.

My biggest concern with England is Southgate's tendency to be more defensive in the big games and that will stop us ever winning a major tournament with him as manager.
 
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CJ_covblaze

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #158
skyblue1991 said:
The last couple of England managers have said they will pick players on form, including Southgate. By that reckoning Harry Maguire should be nowhere near the squad as he has had a terrible season

Also funny how Grealish is in the team more when at Man City but wasn't when he was at the top of his game at Villa

Nothing changes

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And his form for the team Southgate is picking him for has been very good. He’s never let his country down and he should be be in the team.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #159
CJ_covblaze said:
And his form for the team Southgate is picking him for has been very good. He’s never let his country down and he should be be in the team.
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Is he one of the best 2 English CB's in the world?
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #160
Ccfcisparks said:
Is he one of the best 2 English CB's in the world?
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I think our issue is that we're generally very weak at the back in every position.
 

Otis

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #161
Liquid Gold said:
I think our issue is that we're generally very weak at the back in every position.
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Not sure on that. James is excellent at right back and Shaw at left back. I think they are both top players.

We then also have Kyle Walker and Trent Alexander-Armstrong and Kieran Tripper.

At the left back we have Ben Chilwell.

It's the centre where we are weaker I think. The centre backs. No-one is looking top class there really. This is why Maguire plays.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #162
Southgate was right, to boo a player before and apparently early on when on the ball, is idiotic at best. If Maguire consistently fucked up for England you could understand some annoyance at him being picked but he hasn’t.

Agree with some of the comments above, at league level I’m not particularly a fan of Pickford or Maguire but both have been very good for England in recent years

I think Bellingham might edge Mount out for final midfield place in team. I like Mount but I’ll be disappointed if Southgate shoehorns him into front three to accommodate him as it will be at the expense of Foden or Grealish…which would diminish our attacking threat

We’ve got some great options in midfield and attack though…could be exciting times if everyone’s fit
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #163
Harry maguire is bang average , good in the air il give him that , his positional awareness is shockingly bad , once he's turned with pace he's knackered in or outside the box ..

Sorry but Gareth has his favourites and Maguire is one of them ..
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #164
Evo1883 said:
Harry maguire is nmbang average , good in the air il give him that , his positional awareness is shockingly bad , once he's turned with pace he's knackered im or outside the box ..

Sorry but Gareth has his favourites and Maguire is one of them
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Who do you pick instead of him though?
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #165
Liquid Gold said:
Who do you pick instead of him though?
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Well , that's a shocking state of affairs If it's maguire or bust eh .

Not sure tbh .

Let's be honest in 90% of England matches the defence does very little as England dominate the ball , when people says he never let's England down , you could put me there and I wouldn't let them down ..

His job at club level shows you the defender he is .
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #166
Evo1883 said:
Well , that's a shocking state of affairs If it's maguire or bust eh .

Not sure tbh .

Let's be honest in 90% of England matches the defence does very little as England dominate the ball , when people says he never let's England down , you could put me there and I wouldn't let them down ..

His job at club level shows you the defender he is .
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I think part of that is playing the midfield holding the way we do to protect them.
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #167
Liquid Gold said:
I think part of that is playing the midfield holding the way we do to protect them.
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Il be honest I'd rather play anybody else but maguire .. he's painfully average
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #168
Evo1883 said:
Il be honest I'd rather play anybody else but maguire .. he's painfully average
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I don't know, even the next tier of players like Mings gives me no confidence.

Either way booing him was bang out of order.
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #169
Liquid Gold said:
I don't know, even the next tier of players like Mings gives me no confidence.

Either way booing him was bang out of order.
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OK I agree not mings either , yea not a fan of booing but fans are rightly frustrated the manager is not picking players like he said he would
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #170
Basically Southgate has entrenched himself in the " doesn't matter how shit maguire is week in week out , he will play for England " camp and I'm not happy with that either tbh

The lads almost 30 and won absolutely nothing , Southgate treats him like prime maldini
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #171
No world class defenders or keepers.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #172
Tomori is the best English CB in Europe statistically
 
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SBAndy

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #173
Evo1883 said:
Basically Southgate has entrenched himself in the " doesn't matter how shit maguire is week in week out , he will play for England " camp and I'm not happy with that either tbh

The lads almost 30 and won absolutely nothing , Southgate treats him like prime maldini
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Behave.
 

stupot07

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #174
Otis said:
It will be Mount though. He is a Southgate favourite.

I don't think he's done particularly well for England myself. Done really well at club level, but hasn't shine that brightly for England. I much prefer Foden to Mount.
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Agree with that. He seems to have an almost obsessive favouritism about Mount. Good player, but has been really average for England. Foden is just pure class and should be the first name on the teamsheet.

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Evo1883

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  • Mar 30, 2022
  • #175
SBAndy said:
Behave.
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Well he's 29 , never won a major honour , cost 80 mill and makes mistakes weekly in the Premier league .. it's laughable how much Southgate adores him
 
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