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Nick

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #1
Have I missed where the amount Wasps were demanding has been posted?

A guy on Social Media seems to think it's common knowledge.




Has this been said somewhere?
 

Ricketts

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #2
I would imagine that the amount couldnt be known until the matter was sorted and [potential] losses calculated. But surely you (I) would expect it to be in the tens of millions.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #3
Never been quoted to my knowledge, and given the number of NDAs in place, i would be GOBSMACKED if anyone had mentioned it. It's just guesswork/made up!
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #4
When I was selling my last house the buyers lawyer wanted indemnity insurance for £200, for no record of a boiler being fitted. Ended up finding the record myself online for a fiver. The bloke was gutted.

So based on that I’ve got no idea how much it would be but I’m pretty sure it’s never been said how much it would be either.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #5
hill83 said:
When I was selling my last house the buyers lawyer wanted indemnity insurance for £200, for no record of a boiler being fitted. Ended up finding the record myself online for a fiver. The bloke was gutted.

So based on that I’ve got no idea how much it would be but I’m pretty sure it’s never been said how much it would be either.
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What you are saying is that you can bring us back to the Ricoh?
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #6
Also Nick, and you can tell me to fuck off, but I feel that you charging about on twitter under the name of this forum doesn’t help the reputation of any of us on here for stuff like the latest poll etc.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #7
Really good question that as id assumed it was an unlimited figure
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #8
Nick said:
What you are saying is that you can bring us back to the Ricoh?
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I can neither confirm or deny.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #9
It’s eleventy billion. FACT!
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #10
hill83 said:
When I was selling my last house the buyers lawyer wanted indemnity insurance for £200, for no record of a boiler being fitted. Ended up finding the record myself online for a fiver. The bloke was gutted.

So based on that I’ve got no idea how much it would be but I’m pretty sure it’s never been said how much it would be either.
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In the same way that you can buy indemnity insurance for that, i'm sure you could buy cover for legal charges too, but i may be wrong. You can't insure your business against fines imposed by courts for (e.g.) H&S breaches or negligence claims.
(And that, kids, is why good H&S might cost a bit, but saves a hell of a lot more!!)
 

Nick

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #11
hill83 said:
Also Nick, and you can tell me to fuck off, but I feel that you charging about on twitter under the name of this forum doesn’t help the reputation of any of us on here for stuff like the latest poll etc.
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Cheers, you actually raise a good point to be on honest and taken on board

I take this as a backhand and will be piped down!
 
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SBbucks

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #12
Nick said:
Have I missed where the amount Wasps were demanding has been posted?

A guy on Social Media seems to think it's common knowledge.




Has this been said somewhere?
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No, it hasn't been stated and nor could it be. Until the European Commission rule on the case nobody has any real idea of what the financial implications could be for any of the parties. Hence the reason Wasps want CCFC to indemnify them against any costs or impact to their business that comes their way. The man is a fool, I wouldn't waste waste time on him.
 
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tisza

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #13
I'd be surprised if there is an exact figure as it was supposed to include costs, interest etc. So that's a figure that is constantly going to be moved upwards.
Some of the quotes out there was that they wanted an indemnity to cover all Wasps & Council's costs so again a figure that could change drastically eg Commission finds there's a case to answer then legal fees will shoot up.
Whatever it is it certainly would be well in excess of the security paid to the EFL.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #14
He’s got mixed up with the EFL bond hasn’t he? Think that was £1m but doesn’t have to be paid unless we confirm we are never coming back to Cov so seems more like box ticking from the league.
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #15
Nick said:
Cheers, you actually raise a good point to be on honest and taken on board

I take this as a backhand and will be piped down!
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stupot07

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #16
He's made a number of errors there. The amount needed to be covered by the indemnity if any won't be known until after the EU investigation.

However looking at valuations Wasps paid £6.5m for ACL including the extension for the 250 lease. And the council specifically £2.7m for 50% of ACL and £1m for the extension.

They then have valued ACL/Ricoh of c£45m+.

So assuming they would also need to pay Higgs too, if found it was illegal state aid, it could be anywhere from no payment up to c£40m.



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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #17
There is a figure being bandied about but I think it's absolute bullshit.
As Ricketts said, until the complaint is dealt with how can anyone know?
Although the person who told me also told me we would be at St.Andrews this season long before it was announced.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #18
clint van damme said:
There is a figure being bandied about but I think it's absolute bullshit.
As Ricketts said, until the complaint is dealt with how can anyone know?
Although the person who told me also told me we would be at St.Andrews this season long before it was announced.
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What’s the figure?
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #19
Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s the figure?
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I heard 5 mil.
I don't believe that for one minute. I'll be amazed if it's not bullshit.
I'd imagine if the EC complaint is upheld the liability will be higher than that.
 

Nick

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #20
clint van damme said:
I heard 5 mil.
I don't believe that for one minute. I'll be amazed if it's not bullshit.
I'd imagine if the EC complaint is upheld the liability will be higher than that.
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Fuck it, give them Sam McCallum.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #21
Nick said:
Fuck it, give them Sam McCallum.
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Needs a question though as if it’s £5m it’s a lot but not too bad
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #22
I'd guess it's the next thing CWR push.

"there is no indemnity" get corrected so they then go onto
"there is an indemnity but its small change"
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #23
stupot07 said:
He's made a number of errors there. The amount needed to be covered by the indemnity if any won't be known until after the EU investigation.

However looking at valuations Wasps paid £6.5m for ACL including the extension for the 250 lease. And the council specifically £2.7m for 50% of ACL and £1m for the extension.

They then have valued ACL/Ricoh of c£45m+.

So assuming they would also need to pay Higgs too, if found it was illegal state aid, it could be anywhere from no payment up to c£40m.



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Originally:
It covered WASPS , any connected parties ( CCC ? ), associates and any business partners who suffered a loss or had to pay any costs / compensation etc
They also wanted cash bond held in escrow
Not sure if that has changed
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #24
oldfiver said:
Originally:
It covered WASPS , any connected parties ( CCC ? ), associates and any business partners who suffered a loss or had to pay any costs / compensation etc
They also wanted cash bond held in escrow
Not sure if that has changed
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For the indemnity? Wow ccc too?? Are ccc and wasps linked businesses?
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #25
Sky Blue Pete said:
Needs a question though as if it’s £5m it’s a lot but not too bad
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Which is probably why that's the figure being bandied about, suits the agenda.
Though definitely worth trying to get someone to confirm either way.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #26
oldfiver said:
Originally:
It covered WASPS , any connected parties ( CCC ? ), associates and any business partners who suffered a loss or had to pay any costs / compensation etc
They also wanted cash bond held in escrow
Not sure if that has changed
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opens a can of worms. If there was money to be paid out that by Wasps could effect the value of the bond and that's a big enough sum to worry people on top of any money the Council might have to reclaim from Wasps.
 

GaryJones

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #27
Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s the figure?
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38-24-38 Pear shaped
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #28
Would be gobsmacked if wasps opened with a capped indemnity. I also don’t think it’s something sisu would negotiate as they would quite rightly be against any indemnity at all.

Bizzarre. Unless Wasps shit themselves and started offering a cap which wouldn’t be a good move really as severely weakens position


So basically I’ve got about as much a clue as Hill83 after boiler gate
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #29
Nick said:
Have I missed where the amount Wasps were demanding has been posted?

A guy on Social Media seems to think it's common knowledge.




Has this been said somewhere?
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No, he's an idiot. The indemnity has indefinite in the way they phrased it
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #30
tisza said:
I'd be surprised if there is an exact figure as it was supposed to include costs, interest etc. So that's a figure that is constantly going to be moved upwards.
Some of the quotes out there was that they wanted an indemnity to cover all Wasps & Council's costs so again a figure that could change drastically eg Commission finds there's a case to answer then legal fees will shoot up.
Whatever it is it certainly would be well in excess of the security paid to the EFL.
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And the security will be repaid on a return to Coventry IIRC.
 

AStonesThrow

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #31
Nick said:
Cheers, you actually raise a good point to be on honest and taken on board

I take this as a backhand and will be piped down!
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Hold on a minute, wait, this isn’t right. You can’t just take it, you have to threaten to rape his owl or something lol

In all seriousness, fair play for taking it on board Nick
 
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tisza

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #32
clint van damme said:
I heard 5 mil.
I don't believe that for one minute. I'll be amazed if it's not bullshit.
I'd imagine if the EC complaint is upheld the liability will be higher than that.
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If the Commission agree the actual value of the Ricoh was 50m (as SISU claim) against the 20 odd million the Council "sold" it for then there's your starting point.
In the Real Madrid case that is what they did (Madrid were ordered to pay the difference in value plus interest) although it was overturned by the appeal court who disagreed the valuation process. The side issue of an advantage over other businesses could be more complicated as Wasps do compete against other EU clubs (not just English ones) in cup competitions.
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #33
Nick said:
Cheers, you actually raise a good point to be on honest and taken on board

I take this as a backhand and will be piped down!
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Nick, considering our club has so many parody accounts floating around on Twitter, why not create your own parody of your main account and call it "Sky Blues Fireside Chat" ? You can still post as the voice of SBT or you can challenge other individuals using your own voice under SBFC. Just an idea
 

Spurs 'City Away Kit' Kit

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #34
Any judgment is likely to be based on the difference between an independent assessment of what a fair, arms length, commercial arrangement would have been at the time Wasps purchased the shares of ACL from the council, and what was paid. Probably plus costs and potentially ‘interest’.

I don’t know what the interest calculation would be but the Financial Conduct Authority in the UK uses 8% in settlement but I imagine it would less than that and costs may well be added.

It wouldn’t surprise me if there is a process that triggered action against the council if this happened as they would have been the party that broke the law on state aid.
 

Ricketts

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  • Jan 18, 2020
  • #35
GaryJones said:
38-24-38 Pear shaped
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A bit less around the arse would be better.

Also, that's not pear shaped. More a 'nice pair' shape.
 
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