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In or around Coventry....does it matter? (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Apr 26, 2014
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #141
fernandopartridge said:
They had a very limited number of options back in the late 90s, the two shortlisted options from then are now gone. I think they'd honestly struggle to find somewhere suitable.

That said, it's a pointless argument as the new ground will not happen.
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Out of interest, which were they? (assuming you mean two in addition to the Ricoh?)
 

davebart

Active Member
  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #142
letsallsingtogether said:
Funny that is what Tim said..... He said they were moving away and we will get 3,000 every week and 6,000 upwards if we do well? everyone laughed at him then and guess what we are still laughing....

I don't believe they will ever fill a ground outside Cov unless it is full of Wolves fans apparently could have sold 10,000 for Saturdays game..
I for one wouldn't go....
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That's my point. They don't care about individual fans. You may disappear but if 'Coventry City' were in the prem other people will go.

Of course the flip side of this is if we stay in Div 3 no one will go.
 
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SonOfSnoz

New Member
  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #143
They should build the new stadium next to Leeks, yards from the Ricoh but under Nuneaton/Bedworth council!
Stick two fingers up to Cov Council!
Would fans really not attend then?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #144
Deleted member 5849 said:
Out of interest, which were they? (assuming you mean two in addition to the Ricoh?)
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Sorry, two included the Ricoh. The other one was Parkside. There are some documents on the council's website (I think) that talk about the options appraisal.
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #145
fernandopartridge said:
Sorry, two included the Ricoh. The other one was Parkside. There are some documents on the council's website (I think) that talk about the options appraisal.
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Hard to believe Parkside was an option, if you mean the ex-Rolls Royce factory, that has been site of Cov Uni Science Park for many years.

There was a more recent housing development at the higher end of the old factory site near the Mile Lane railway bridge, but that isn't really big enough for a ground and short of buldosing Cov Cemetery and the few residential streets between the old factory & the ring road there is insufficient access & parking.

Sounds to me like someone presenting 3 options due to bureaucratic requirements where 2 were obviously never going to be considered & only one stood out as feasible.
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #146
Nick said:
Does anybody think that if there was a site then the CCC would actually give any permission anyway?
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They couldn't refuse a legitimate application.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #147
fernandopartridge said:
List the viable sites.
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Can't think of any.

Can you list any viable sites outside the city?
 

Otis

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #148
SonOfSnoz said:
They should build the new stadium next to Leeks, yards from the Ricoh but under Nuneaton/Bedworth council!
Stick two fingers up to Cov Council!
Would fans really not attend then?
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Yes, because two football stadiums in such proximity would be such a wise move and not total waste of money wouldn't it.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #149
Otis said:
Yes, because two football stadiums in such proximity would be such a wise move and not total waste of money wouldn't it.
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Works in Dundee
 

Otis

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #150
Deleted member 5849 said:
Works in Dundee
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Who does?
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #151
Grendel said:
Because they would make life as difficult as they could. They can refuse permission and force sisu to appeal - they would put obstacle after obstacle in their way.
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Chances are any site they pick for a stadium will have the same problems. Has any stadium ever flown straight through the planning process? Can't be many if any at all exist. And of course fairly early on in the process it goes above CCC.

Again this would be an easy way for SISU to get themselves some support. Buy a site in Coventry and put in for planning permission. Force the council to make a decision and justify it. If the council turn down an application with no valid reason it is likely there would be a swing in support towards SISU. By just saying we're not even going to attempt to locate a new stadium in Coventry as the council won't like it is playing into 'anti-SISU' hands.
 

italiahorse

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #152
If SISU built a new stadium and CCFC rented it.

Would a new buyer of CCFC just move the team back to the Ricoh?

.... or would SISU tie the club up with the stadium by a long lease. (Sound familiar ?)

Or, because they own both would they not sell one without the other ?
Would the club have so much debt that it would never be saleable at a value suitable to Sisu?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #153
chiefdave said:
Chances are any site they pick for a stadium will have the same problems. Has any stadium ever flown straight through the planning process? Can't be many if any at all exist. And of course fairly early on in the process it goes above CCC.

Again this would be an easy way for SISU to get themselves some support. Buy a site in Coventry and put in for planning permission. Force the council to make a decision and justify it. If the council turn down an application with no valid reason it is likely there would be a swing in support towards SISU. By just saying we're not even going to attempt to locate a new stadium in Coventry as the council won't like it is playing into 'anti-SISU' hands.
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It'd be fabulous if we could pressure both council and SISU to draw down potential sites and commit to no obstacles for the purchase and planning... and if no suitable sites exist, for pressure to be exerted on both sides to give their reasons openly and transparantly why sites had to be rejected...
 

italiahorse

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #154
chiefdave said:
Chances are any site they pick for a stadium will have the same problems. Has any stadium ever flown straight through the planning process? Can't be many if any at all exist. And of course fairly early on in the process it goes above CCC.

Again this would be an easy way for SISU to get themselves some support. Buy a site in Coventry and put in for planning permission. Force the council to make a decision and justify it. If the council turn down an application with no valid reason it is likely there would be a swing in support towards SISU. By just saying we're not even going to attempt to locate a new stadium in Coventry as the council won't like it is playing into 'anti-SISU' hands.
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Turning it down is only doing what the majority of fans want. Certainly the majority of Coventry rate payers would be okay with it.
Worrying what the few Sisu apologists think will not be considered.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #155
italiahorse said:
Turning it down is only doing what the majority of fans want. Certainly the majority of Coventry rate payers would be okay with it.
Worrying what the few Sisu apologists think will not be considered.
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I would have thought the majority of fans want Coventry playing in Coventry as a priority.

The point is SISU just state it's not possible to build in Coventry when that's not true, at most CCC could cause a delay - the same delay they are likely to get at any site due to objections. In my opinion if SISU started working towards a stadium based in the city by purchasing land, showing plans etc and the council then started interfering you would see some supporters changing their stance.
 
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Spionkop

New Member
  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #156
From today's Telegraph. Apologies if it has already been posted.
It seems SP is fed up with the Sixfields fiasco as well.
But now he's going public with it.
Seems to me he's spelling it out to the owners and to the fans.

"But he is already turning his thoughts to how he can upgrade the Sky Blues into an upwardly mobile side next season, despite having to contend with financial restrictions and the morale-sapping pressures of playing in front of tiny crowds at another club’s stadium..
“I have to think about the best way we can utilise our resources because playing at Northampton is very difficult and the likelihood is that the budget will come down again.
“I’m immensely proud of my players and my staff because we’ve been through a lot this year and it’s been hugely demanding on our young players, not just physically but mentally.
“We’ve had a lot to endure, losing the ten points and playing in front of 1,500/1,600 supporters on a number of occasions. That’s not easy and it helped that the stadium was a lot fuller for this game.
“Like when we played Peterborough at Christmas, you arrive at the ground and it feels like there’s a game on and there’s no doubt that intensity makes a difference to the players.”
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #157
Jack Griffin said:
Hard to believe Parkside was an option, if you mean the ex-Rolls Royce factory, that has been site of Cov Uni Science Park for many years.

There was a more recent housing development at the higher end of the old factory site near the Mile Lane railway bridge, but that isn't really big enough for a ground and short of buldosing Cov Cemetery and the few residential streets between the old factory & the ring road there is insufficient access & parking.

Sounds to me like someone presenting 3 options due to bureaucratic requirements where 2 were obviously never going to be considered & only one stood out as feasible.
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The study was carried out in 1997. The science park or Technocentre wasn't built then.
 
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SonOfSnoz

New Member
  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #158
Otis said:
Yes, because two football stadiums in such proximity would be such a wise move and not total waste of money wouldn't it.
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Well, Council should never have blackmailed our club!

Nottingham has 2 footy stadiums next to each other
 

davebart

Active Member
  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #159
Milan has one stadium for two big teams
 
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The Gentleman

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #160
Deleted member 5849 said:
It'd be fabulous if we could pressure both council and SISU to draw down potential sites and commit to no obstacles for the purchase and planning... and if no suitable sites exist, for pressure to be exerted on both sides to give their reasons openly and transparantly why sites had to be rejected...
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How do you put pressure on something that isn't happening?
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #161
chiefdave said:
I would have thought the majority of fans want Coventry playing in Coventry as a priority.

The point is SISU just state it's not possible to build in Coventry when that's not true, at most CCC could cause a delay - the same delay they are likely to get at any site due to objections. In my opinion if SISU started working towards a stadium based in the city by purchasing land, showing plans etc and the council then started interfering you would see some supporters changing their stance.
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Can't wait 5 years for a poxy stadium even in Coventry. It's Ricoh this year or I'm gone.
Can't bee bothered which supporters are right or wrong ... it won't really matter if they build this stadium.
 

hill83

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #162
italiahorse said:
Can't wait 5 years for a poxy stadium even in Coventry. It's Ricoh this year or I'm gone.
Can't bee bothered which supporters are right or wrong ... it won't really matter if they build this stadium.
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Don't go, I don't think I would be able to handle it if you left. I would miss you saying you are done with it all every single day. Each time with different caveats.
I'm already crying thinking about it.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #163
hill83 said:
Don't go, I don't think I would be able to handle it if you left. I would miss you saying you are done with it all every single day. Each time with different caveats.
I'm already crying thinking about it.
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It's a bit like when I called Sky saying that I would leave unless they gave me a better deal, unfortunately they said ", Bye then".
 
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limoncello

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #164
lordsummerisle said:
It's a bit like when I called Sky saying that I would leave unless they gave me a better deal, unfortunately they said ", Bye then".
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You and Andy got on my nerves to be honest Keyesy.
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #165
limoncello said:
You and Andy got on my nerves to be honest Keyesy.
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Bloody slappers.
 

olderskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #166
lordsummerisle said:
It's a bit like when I called Sky saying that I would leave unless they gave me a better deal, unfortunately they said ", Bye then".
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You gave in too easily. They said the same to me, so I "left". During the 1 month before finally switching off, had a few calls offering various deals, one of which i accepted. 12 months at half price.
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 28, 2014
  • #167
o2 called my bluff massively last time out, but I did manage to knock my car insurance down to an all-time low this year so I might be battle-hardened now.
 
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