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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Yesterday at 6:11 PM
  • #386
rob9872 said:
That isnt what I've said, and for the record, I never have felt discriminated against, but equally that doest mean only white people are racist. I'm not sure what point you are making tbh.
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As above I was trying to understand your point of view, maybe you had experienced some yourself.
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 7:13 AM
  • #387
Good news if you’re a white person who’s upset about asylum seekers and feels like you’re not allowed to talk about it - the United States might now accept you as a refugee

Trump Considers Overhaul of Refugee Program That Would Favor White People
 
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mmttww

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  • Today at 7:24 AM
  • #388
SBT said:
the United States might now accept you as a refugee
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Sounds like Jonjo Shelvey is pitching for a spot here.
 
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Dougin

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  • Today at 9:50 AM
  • #389
SBT said:
Good news if you’re a white person who’s upset about asylum seekers and feels like you’re not allowed to talk about it - the United States might now accept you as a refugee

Trump Considers Overhaul of Refugee Program That Would Favor White People
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Serious question, why don’t the Asian and African people just sort their countries out so they don’t have to move to white countries?
 
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Dougin

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  • Today at 10:20 AM
  • #390
Dougin said:
Serious question, why don’t the Asian and African people just sort their countries out so they don’t have to move to white countries?
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Serious question Pete. Who can be happy having to move from your home to a country you know nothing about and having to live in a migrant hotel with strangers.

The only way to solve the illegal migration issue is for the countries these people are coming from to sort themselves out. There should be help from the western world for them to do this. Ultimately the goal of everyone to have pace and prosperity in the world.
 

Otis

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  • Today at 10:24 AM
  • #391
Dougin said:
Serious question, why don’t the Asian and African people just sort their countries out so they don’t have to move to white countries?
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The first thing they should move is the sun. Maybe push it back a bit.
 
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Dougin

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  • Today at 10:25 AM
  • #392
Otis said:
The first thing they should move is the sun. Maybe push it back a bit.
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Hey?
 

Otis

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  • Today at 10:27 AM
  • #393
Dougin said:
Serious question Pete. Who can be happy having to move from your home to a country you know nothing about and having to live in a migrant hotel with strangers.

The only way to solve the illegal migration issue is for the countries these people are coming from to sort themselves out. There should be help from the western world for them to do this. Ultimately the goal of everyone to have pace and prosperity in the world.
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With climate change (which IS a thing), more and more people are going to try to migrate from these scorching hot countries to the slightly cooler countries in the West

Definitely going to happen.
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 10:29 AM
  • #394
Dougin said:
Serious question, why don’t the Asian and African people just sort their countries out so they don’t have to move to white countries?
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Where were you born? Where were your parents born? And where did you work and study? Unless the answers to those questions are all the same, then you have your answer.

I agree with you btw that foreign aid should be a key part of any country’s immigration policy. But we apparently want to cut that as well.
 
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Dougin

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  • Today at 10:34 AM
  • #395
Otis said:
With climate change (which IS a thing), more and more people are going to try to migrate from these scorching hot countries to the slightly cooler countries in the West

Definitely going to happen.
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Australia seems to be doing ok, so was South Africa.
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 10:41 AM
  • #396
Otis said:
With climate change (which IS a thing), more and more people are going to try to migrate from these scorching hot countries to the slightly cooler countries in the West

Definitely going to happen.
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We don't have a lot of migration from other hot countries that have wealth eg Dubai, Oman, Saudi etc. I'm not sure heat is the reason they're moving and although I can't agree with Doug saying why are they moving to 'white countries' if I were one of the immigrants I would welcome a move to a country where I was more culturally aligned, so the 'why here' question is about more than weather.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 10:55 AM
  • #397
SBT said:
Where were you born? Where were your parents born? And where did you work and study? Unless the answers to those questions are all the same, then you have your answer.

I agree with you btw that foreign aid should be a key part of any country’s immigration policy. But we apparently want to cut that as well.
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Damn straight yep
What dougin isn’t recognising is its pure luck being born into a safe and prosperous country with opportunity
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Today at 11:03 AM
  • #398
Dougin said:
Serious question Pete. Who can be happy having to move from your home to a country you know nothing about and having to live in a migrant hotel with strangers.

The only way to solve the illegal migration issue is for the countries these people are coming from to sort themselves out. There should be help from the western world for them to do this. Ultimately the goal of everyone to have pace and prosperity in the world.
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Good to see you’re in favour of the ex-colonial powers paying reparations then. Next you’ll be eating yoghurts and taking up knitting comrade.
 
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Dougin

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  • Today at 11:19 AM
  • #399
Sick Boy said:
Good to see you’re in favour of the ex-colonial powers paying reparations then. Next you’ll be eating yoghurts and taking up knitting comrade.
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Reparations?? They should be thanking us for being here. People are free to go back if they feel so strongly about it.

How far do we go back? Do we ask the French for what the Norman’s did, or do we ask the Italians for what the Roman’s did?
 
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Dougin

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  • Today at 11:22 AM
  • #400
I’m
Sky Blue Pete said:
Damn straight yep
What dougin isn’t recognising is its pure luck being born into a safe and prosperous country with opportunity
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I want to play for Coventry City, but I can’t it’s just life. No one is stopping anyone from moving legally. Just have to get yourself an education and make something of yourself rather than robbing your way through Europe, jumping on a boat and then causing crime in the country you expect to pay for you.
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 11:23 AM
  • #401
Dougin said:
Reparations?? They should be thanking us for being here. People are free to go back if they feel so strongly about it.

How far do we go back? Do we ask the French for what the Norman’s did, or do we ask the Italians for what the Roman’s did?
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What did the Romans ever do for us?
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 11:25 AM
  • #402
rob9872 said:
We don't have a lot of migration from other hot countries that have wealth eg Dubai, Oman, Saudi etc. I'm not sure heat is the reason they're moving and although I can't agree with Doug saying why are they moving to 'white countries' if I were one of the immigrants I would welcome a move to a country where I was more culturally aligned, so the 'why here' question is about more than weather.
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Probably more air con in the wealthy hot countries eg UAE/Saudi than Syria/Sudan etc to be fair!
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Today at 11:25 AM
  • #403
Dougin said:
Reparations?? They should be thanking us for being here. People are free to go back if they feel so strongly about it.

How far do we go back? Do we ask the French for what the Norman’s did, or do we ask the Italians for what the Roman’s did?
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Where are British born citizens supposed to go back to?
A lot of these people will have ancestors who fought in the British army during WW1 and WW2.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Today at 11:27 AM
  • #404
Dougin said:
Reparations?? They should be thanking us for being here. People are free to go back if they feel so strongly about it.

How far do we go back? Do we ask the French for what the Norman’s did, or do we ask the Italians for what the Roman’s did?
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Well if we hadn't stolen all their resources and made their homelands uninhabitable maybe they'd not want to come here.

A big part of the migration to the western world is due to the greed of the western world. We take everything for our own prosperity then act surprised when those people we took it from want to be part of that prosperity.

If those areas did 'try to sort themselves out' (which I'm sure many people there are trying to do) you can guarantee the West would be the first people trying to stop them by forcing them to give up those resources, or at the very least sell them to us for a fraction of what they're worth.
 

Otis

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  • Today at 11:33 AM
  • #405
rob9872 said:
We don't have a lot of migration from other hot countries that have wealth eg Dubai, Oman, Saudi etc. I'm not sure heat is the reason they're moving and although I can't agree with Doug saying why are they moving to 'white countries' if I were one of the immigrants I would welcome a move to a country where I was more culturally aligned, so the 'why here' question is about more than weather.
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Talking about the future, Rob.

If the planet keeps heating up and the predictions are that it will, it will be almost impossible to live in some countries
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 11:34 AM
  • #406
Otis said:
Talking about the future, Rob.

If the planet keeps heating up and the predictions are that it will, it will be almost impossible to live in some countries
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In that case I agree, but it was in response to his why are they settling here and currently I don't believe it's weather related.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 11:40 AM
  • #407
rob9872 said:
In that case I agree, but it was in response to his why are they settling here and currently I don't believe it's weather related.
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Yeah, two separate points

I was just picking up on the people coming here now remark and was just saying it's going to get worse
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 11:41 AM
  • #408
Dougin said:
No one is stopping anyone from moving legally.
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Except the law, I guess.
 
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chiefdave

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  • 30 minutes ago
  • #409
rob9872 said:
We don't have a lot of migration from other hot countries that have wealth eg Dubai, Oman, Saudi etc. I'm not sure heat is the reason they're moving and although I can't agree with Doug saying why are they moving to 'white countries' if I were one of the immigrants I would welcome a move to a country where I was more culturally aligned, so the 'why here' question is about more than weather.
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We've been over this. Most immigrants do go to 'more culturally aligned' countries. We're being fed a narrative that 'everyone wants to come here' that simply isn't true. As a country we're not even anywhere close to the top of the list of European countries for taking migrants let alone worldwide.
 
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rob9872

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  • 2 minutes ago
  • #410
chiefdave said:
We've been over this. Most immigrants do go to 'more culturally aligned' countries. We're being fed a narrative that 'everyone wants to come here' that simply isn't true. As a country we're not even anywhere close to the top of the list of European countries for taking migrants let alone worldwide.
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Well as that isn't what I've said, so I don't think your condescending 'We've been over this' is all that helpful.

I've not mentioned numbers of how many or even versus other European countries, although again, questionably are other European countries any more culturally aligned or in terms of religion, heritage, language, beliefs?

Everybody is different and if they feel unsafe where they are or lack of opportunity, then that's a choice they are making. It was simply a question of why here? To get here they often have to travel through many of those other places, so what opportunities do they see in coming to the UK over say France, Germany, Spain etc? Nothing to do with any narrative or numbers, so perhaps save your one trick answer for a more relevant post.
 
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