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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 15, 2025
  • #386
rob9872 said:
That isnt what I've said, and for the record, I never have felt discriminated against, but equally that doest mean only white people are racist. I'm not sure what point you are making tbh.
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As above I was trying to understand your point of view, maybe you had experienced some yourself.
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #387
Good news if you’re a white person who’s upset about asylum seekers and feels like you’re not allowed to talk about it - the United States might now accept you as a refugee

Trump Considers Overhaul of Refugee Program That Would Favor White People
 
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mmttww

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #388
SBT said:
the United States might now accept you as a refugee
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Sounds like Jonjo Shelvey is pitching for a spot here.
 
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Dougin

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #389
SBT said:
Good news if you’re a white person who’s upset about asylum seekers and feels like you’re not allowed to talk about it - the United States might now accept you as a refugee

Trump Considers Overhaul of Refugee Program That Would Favor White People
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Serious question, why don’t the Asian and African people just sort their countries out so they don’t have to move to white countries?
 
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Dougin

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #390
Dougin said:
Serious question, why don’t the Asian and African people just sort their countries out so they don’t have to move to white countries?
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Serious question Pete. Who can be happy having to move from your home to a country you know nothing about and having to live in a migrant hotel with strangers.

The only way to solve the illegal migration issue is for the countries these people are coming from to sort themselves out. There should be help from the western world for them to do this. Ultimately the goal of everyone to have pace and prosperity in the world.
 

Otis

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #391
Dougin said:
Serious question, why don’t the Asian and African people just sort their countries out so they don’t have to move to white countries?
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The first thing they should move is the sun. Maybe push it back a bit.
 
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Dougin

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #392
Otis said:
The first thing they should move is the sun. Maybe push it back a bit.
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Hey?
 

Otis

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #393
Dougin said:
Serious question Pete. Who can be happy having to move from your home to a country you know nothing about and having to live in a migrant hotel with strangers.

The only way to solve the illegal migration issue is for the countries these people are coming from to sort themselves out. There should be help from the western world for them to do this. Ultimately the goal of everyone to have pace and prosperity in the world.
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With climate change (which IS a thing), more and more people are going to try to migrate from these scorching hot countries to the slightly cooler countries in the West

Definitely going to happen.
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #394
Dougin said:
Serious question, why don’t the Asian and African people just sort their countries out so they don’t have to move to white countries?
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Where were you born? Where were your parents born? And where did you work and study? Unless the answers to those questions are all the same, then you have your answer.

I agree with you btw that foreign aid should be a key part of any country’s immigration policy. But we apparently want to cut that as well.
 
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Dougin

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #395
Otis said:
With climate change (which IS a thing), more and more people are going to try to migrate from these scorching hot countries to the slightly cooler countries in the West

Definitely going to happen.
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Australia seems to be doing ok, so was South Africa.
 

rob9872

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #396
Otis said:
With climate change (which IS a thing), more and more people are going to try to migrate from these scorching hot countries to the slightly cooler countries in the West

Definitely going to happen.
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We don't have a lot of migration from other hot countries that have wealth eg Dubai, Oman, Saudi etc. I'm not sure heat is the reason they're moving and although I can't agree with Doug saying why are they moving to 'white countries' if I were one of the immigrants I would welcome a move to a country where I was more culturally aligned, so the 'why here' question is about more than weather.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #397
SBT said:
Where were you born? Where were your parents born? And where did you work and study? Unless the answers to those questions are all the same, then you have your answer.

I agree with you btw that foreign aid should be a key part of any country’s immigration policy. But we apparently want to cut that as well.
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Damn straight yep
What dougin isn’t recognising is its pure luck being born into a safe and prosperous country with opportunity
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #398
Dougin said:
Serious question Pete. Who can be happy having to move from your home to a country you know nothing about and having to live in a migrant hotel with strangers.

The only way to solve the illegal migration issue is for the countries these people are coming from to sort themselves out. There should be help from the western world for them to do this. Ultimately the goal of everyone to have pace and prosperity in the world.
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Good to see you’re in favour of the ex-colonial powers paying reparations then. Next you’ll be eating yoghurts and taking up knitting comrade.
 
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Dougin

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #399
Sick Boy said:
Good to see you’re in favour of the ex-colonial powers paying reparations then. Next you’ll be eating yoghurts and taking up knitting comrade.
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Reparations?? They should be thanking us for being here. People are free to go back if they feel so strongly about it.

How far do we go back? Do we ask the French for what the Norman’s did, or do we ask the Italians for what the Roman’s did?
 
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Dougin

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #400
I’m
Sky Blue Pete said:
Damn straight yep
What dougin isn’t recognising is its pure luck being born into a safe and prosperous country with opportunity
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I want to play for Coventry City, but I can’t it’s just life. No one is stopping anyone from moving legally. Just have to get yourself an education and make something of yourself rather than robbing your way through Europe, jumping on a boat and then causing crime in the country you expect to pay for you.
 

rob9872

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #401
Dougin said:
Reparations?? They should be thanking us for being here. People are free to go back if they feel so strongly about it.

How far do we go back? Do we ask the French for what the Norman’s did, or do we ask the Italians for what the Roman’s did?
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What did the Romans ever do for us?
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #402
rob9872 said:
We don't have a lot of migration from other hot countries that have wealth eg Dubai, Oman, Saudi etc. I'm not sure heat is the reason they're moving and although I can't agree with Doug saying why are they moving to 'white countries' if I were one of the immigrants I would welcome a move to a country where I was more culturally aligned, so the 'why here' question is about more than weather.
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Probably more air con in the wealthy hot countries eg UAE/Saudi than Syria/Sudan etc to be fair!
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #403
Dougin said:
Reparations?? They should be thanking us for being here. People are free to go back if they feel so strongly about it.

How far do we go back? Do we ask the French for what the Norman’s did, or do we ask the Italians for what the Roman’s did?
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Where are British born citizens supposed to go back to?
A lot of these people will have ancestors who fought in the British army during WW1 and WW2.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #404
Dougin said:
Reparations?? They should be thanking us for being here. People are free to go back if they feel so strongly about it.

How far do we go back? Do we ask the French for what the Norman’s did, or do we ask the Italians for what the Roman’s did?
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Well if we hadn't stolen all their resources and made their homelands uninhabitable maybe they'd not want to come here.

A big part of the migration to the western world is due to the greed of the western world. We take everything for our own prosperity then act surprised when those people we took it from want to be part of that prosperity.

If those areas did 'try to sort themselves out' (which I'm sure many people there are trying to do) you can guarantee the West would be the first people trying to stop them by forcing them to give up those resources, or at the very least sell them to us for a fraction of what they're worth.
 
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Otis

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #405
rob9872 said:
We don't have a lot of migration from other hot countries that have wealth eg Dubai, Oman, Saudi etc. I'm not sure heat is the reason they're moving and although I can't agree with Doug saying why are they moving to 'white countries' if I were one of the immigrants I would welcome a move to a country where I was more culturally aligned, so the 'why here' question is about more than weather.
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Talking about the future, Rob.

If the planet keeps heating up and the predictions are that it will, it will be almost impossible to live in some countries
 
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rob9872

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #406
Otis said:
Talking about the future, Rob.

If the planet keeps heating up and the predictions are that it will, it will be almost impossible to live in some countries
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In that case I agree, but it was in response to his why are they settling here and currently I don't believe it's weather related.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #407
rob9872 said:
In that case I agree, but it was in response to his why are they settling here and currently I don't believe it's weather related.
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Yeah, two separate points

I was just picking up on the people coming here now remark and was just saying it's going to get worse
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #408
Dougin said:
No one is stopping anyone from moving legally.
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Except the law, I guess.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #409
rob9872 said:
We don't have a lot of migration from other hot countries that have wealth eg Dubai, Oman, Saudi etc. I'm not sure heat is the reason they're moving and although I can't agree with Doug saying why are they moving to 'white countries' if I were one of the immigrants I would welcome a move to a country where I was more culturally aligned, so the 'why here' question is about more than weather.
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We've been over this. Most immigrants do go to 'more culturally aligned' countries. We're being fed a narrative that 'everyone wants to come here' that simply isn't true. As a country we're not even anywhere close to the top of the list of European countries for taking migrants let alone worldwide.
 
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rob9872

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #410
chiefdave said:
We've been over this. Most immigrants do go to 'more culturally aligned' countries. We're being fed a narrative that 'everyone wants to come here' that simply isn't true. As a country we're not even anywhere close to the top of the list of European countries for taking migrants let alone worldwide.
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Well as that isn't what I've said, so I don't think your condescending 'We've been over this' is all that helpful.

I've not mentioned numbers of how many or even versus other European countries, although again, questionably are other European countries any more culturally aligned or in terms of religion, heritage, language, beliefs?

Everybody is different and if they feel unsafe where they are or lack of opportunity, then that's a choice they are making. It was simply a question of why here? To get here they often have to travel through many of those other places, so what opportunities do they see in coming to the UK over say France, Germany, Spain etc? Nothing to do with any narrative or numbers, so perhaps save your one trick answer for a more relevant post.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #411
rob9872 said:
Well as that isn't what I've said, so I don't think your condescending 'We've been over this' is all that helpful.

I've not mentioned numbers of how many or even versus other European countries, although again, questionably are other European countries any more culturally aligned or in terms of religion, heritage, language, beliefs?

Everybody is different and if they feel unsafe where they are or lack of opportunity, then that's a choice they are making. It was simply a question of why here? To get here they often have to travel through many of those other places, so what opportunities do they see in coming to the UK over say France, Germany, Spain etc? Nothing to do with any narrative or numbers, so perhaps save your one trick answer for a more relevant post.
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Albanians and Romanians are more likely to move to Italy due to language and being more aligned culturally. They’ve been moving to and living here for decades and are very well integrated; you probably wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between an Italian and Romanian/Albanian of visiting as a tourist.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #412
rob9872 said:
Well as that isn't what I've said, so I don't think your condescending 'We've been over this' is all that helpful.

I've not mentioned numbers of how many or even versus other European countries, although again, questionably are other European countries any more culturally aligned or in terms of religion, heritage, language, beliefs?

Everybody is different and if they feel unsafe where they are or lack of opportunity, then that's a choice they are making. It was simply a question of why here? To get here they often have to travel through many of those other places, so what opportunities do they see in coming to the UK over say France, Germany, Spain etc? Nothing to do with any narrative or numbers, so perhaps save your one trick answer for a more relevant post.
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The numbers are massively out of control across the whole continent anyway, so that argument is just a nonsense corridor to go down regardless.
 
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rob9872

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #413
Sick Boy said:
Albanians and Romanians are more likely to move to Italy due to language and being more aligned culturally. They’ve been moving to and living here for decades and are very well integrated; you probably wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between an Italian and Romanian/Albanian of visiting as a tourist.
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What are the Italian's views on that? Do they welcome them, are they accepting or is there a backlash towards by some / many? Is there less of a problem for the reasons that they are perhaps more culturally aligned?
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #414
Sick Boy said:
Albanians and Romanians are more likely to move to Italy due to language and being more aligned culturally. They’ve been moving to and living here for decades and are very well integrated; you probably wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between an Italian and Romanian/Albanian of visiting as a tourist.
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Percentage of Romanians is pretty similar actually - Germany is far higher than both
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #415
rob9872 said:
What are the Italian's views on that? Do they welcome them, are they accepting or is there a backlash towards by some / many? Is there less of a problem for the reasons that they are perhaps more culturally aligned?
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Albania does not owe Italy any debt - Gezim Qadraku

Rama oversimplifies the complex legacy of Albanian immigration to Italy.
kosovotwopointzero.com
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #416
rob9872 said:
Well as that isn't what I've said, so I don't think your condescending 'We've been over this' is all that helpful.

I've not mentioned numbers of how many or even versus other European countries, although again, questionably are other European countries any more culturally aligned or in terms of religion, heritage, language, beliefs?

Everybody is different and if they feel unsafe where they are or lack of opportunity, then that's a choice they are making. It was simply a question of why here? To get here they often have to travel through many of those other places, so what opportunities do they see in coming to the UK over say France, Germany, Spain etc? Nothing to do with any narrative or numbers, so perhaps save your one trick answer for a more relevant post.
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apologies if I've misinterpreted what you're saying. what did you mean by:
rob9872 said:
if I were one of the immigrants I would welcome a move to a country where I was more culturally aligned, so the 'why here' question is about more than weather.
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this seems to imply that rather than coming here immigrants should go to a more suitable country. The simple answer is for the vast majority they aren't coming here. Those fleeing Syria mostly got to Turkey, from Afghanistan & Iraq its Iran, from Venezuela its Columbia, from the Congo & Sudan its Uganda.

one of the reasons those shouting 'stop the boats' don't want to have a sensible discussion about immigration is because if you start drilling down into the actual data you find that far from 'everyone is coming here' its more a case of we don't take our fair share.
 
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Dougin

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #417
Sick Boy said:
Where are British born citizens supposed to go back to?
A lot of these people will have ancestors who fought in the British army during WW1 and WW2.
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So why do they need raparations?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #418
Grendel said:
Percentage of Romanians is pretty similar actually - Germany is far higher than both
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They've been in Italy in larger numbers for much longer than the UK.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #419
rob9872 said:
What are the Italian's views on that? Do they welcome them, are they accepting or is there a backlash towards by some / many? Is there less of a problem for the reasons that they are perhaps more culturally aligned?
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They came over decades ago to provide the country with cheap labour during the economic boom, so it's not something recent. You still get the same stereotypes like they're dodgy, much in the same way that I'm an alcoholic thug. Day-to-day, most people are probably more concerned about their jobs/children's job prospects and the economy more than anything else.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #420
Dougin said:
I’m

I want to play for Coventry City, but I can’t it’s just life. No one is stopping anyone from moving legally. Just have to get yourself an education and make something of yourself rather than robbing your way through Europe, jumping on a boat and then causing crime in the country you expect to pay for you.
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Gosh have you been swayed by a tiny number of individuals mate
 
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