If YOU were in charge of the City since 2007... (1 Viewer)

CJparker

New Member
what would you have done differently?

Here's mine:

1) accept ACL proposal for variable rent based on league status

2) secure King, Gunnarson and Westwood on longer contracts.

3) not sell Keogh or Bigi or Best or Juke or Tabb

4) kept faith with Chris Coleman with AT as chief scout / director of football - Ranson to be a non-football director

5) work closely and productively with council to buy half of Ricoh (at least)

6) not mortgaged Ryton

7) not sold future ST revenues years in advance

8) re-named various stands after club legends like Hill and George/John

9) communicated much better with fans, including having a Trust rep on the board

10) made sure that the Ricoh train station was finished by encouraging Network Rail and the council

11) put in place better bus service from city to Ricoh, as Reading have

12) do more work in schools to give tickets to kids, filling up the Arena more and planting the seed with future fans

All very well with the benefit of hindsight - but hard to argue against all these points!

oh and 13) not sign ROD on a 3-year £5k p/w deal!!! :mad:
 

Colin1883

Member
I agree with the kids tickets...

Maybe 1000 free tickets per home game....

As MJ said... The children are our future ...
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
what would you have done differently?

Here's mine:

1) accept ACL proposal for variable rent based on league status

2) secure King, Gunnarson and Westwood on longer contracts.

3) not sell Keogh or Bigi or Best or Juke or Tabb

4) kept faith with Chris Coleman with AT as chief scout / director of football - Ranson to be a non-football director

5) work closely and productively with council to buy half of Ricoh (at least)

6) not mortgaged Ryton

7) not sold future ST revenues years in advance

8) re-named various stands after club legends like Hill and George/John

9) communicated much better with fans, including having a Trust rep on the board

10) made sure that the Ricoh train station was finished by encouraging Network Rail and the council

11) put in place better bus service from city to Ricoh, as Reading have

12) do more work in schools to give tickets to kids, filling up the Arena more and planting the seed with future fans

All very well with the benefit of hindsight - but hard to argue against all these points!

oh and 13) not sign ROD on a 3-year £5k p/w deal!!! :mad:

How would you of financed all of this?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
1 - Yep
2 - Yep. They went to bigger clubs. And they wanted to go.
3 - Yep. Again though, they wanted to leave.
4 - Ha, no.
5 - Yep.
6 - Yep.
7 - Is that true?
8 - Nice idea, doesn't bring in revenue though
9 - Yes for the first part, no for the second.
10 - This really is out of the Club's hands, surely? As you know, it's the Council's stadium after all.
11 - Again, is that something the club can influence? I don't get the bus, so it is a big problem then?
12 - Yep.
13 - Is this true? Where did you get the info from?

As you say hindsight is a wonderful thing. The above would cost loads, where would the money come from?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
How would you of financed all of this?

It's all utopian, apart from 4 (!) we had to sell what he had to balance the books as the owners aren't Arab/Russian/Yankee billionaires.

9 and 12 SISU definitely could've been done.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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True SB Taylor but we all have dreams of how it could have been.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if all (bar 4) were the case, but isn't, the reality is, we had to sell players, I wish we owned the stadium etc. etc. but is it all possible? I don't think it was.
 

dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
I would have proposed a target driven incentive agreement with the council.

They demanded certain criteria before they would ever consider selling their share or not vetoing the sake if the Higgs share.

I would have made an agreement with the council that as each of the criteria is achieved but by bit a percentage if ownership of ACL/Ricoh is bought at cost price.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
what would you have done differently?

Here's mine:

1) accept ACL proposal for variable rent based on league status

Depends on the arrangement. Given we were paying 6 times the average in the championship not too optimistic on that score.

2) secure King, Gunnarson and Westwood on longer contracts.

In La La land that would be nice but they all wanted to run the contracts down

3) not sell Keogh or Bigi or Best or Juke or Tabb

Well we either sold them or they would have gone for free

4) kept faith with Chris Coleman with AT as chief scout / director of football - Ranson to be a non-football director

Ludicrous. Coleman was a shambles of a manager and I wouldn't credit Thorn with sufficient intellect to direct traffic. "Debt free" Ranson of course whored SISU around until he found a willing partner.

5) work closely and productively with council to buy half of Ricoh (at least)

Would be nice

6) not mortgaged Ryton

CCFC (Holdings) own Ryton don't they

7) not sold future ST revenues years in advance

No opinion on this really

8) re-named various stands after club legends like Hill and George/John

Why not? We can name a toilet after Thorn as well - I'd use it

9) communicated much better with fans, including having a Trust rep on the board

Not sure what a Trust representative would do -- like the old Workers Co-operatives of the 70's - a waste of time

10) made sure that the Ricoh train station was finished by encouraging Network Rail and the council

Hardly a major issue

11) put in place better bus service from city to Ricoh, as Reading have

Would be nice

12) do more work in schools to give tickets to kids, filling up the Arena more and planting the seed with future fans

OK I suppose

All very well with the benefit of hindsight - but hard to argue against all these points!

Easy to argue against some of them

oh and 13) not sign ROD on a 3-year £5k p/w deal!!! :mad:

Very interesting
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
I would have proposed a target driven incentive agreement with the council.

They demanded certain criteria before they would ever consider selling their share or not vetoing the sake if the Higgs share.

I would have made an agreement with the council that as each of the criteria is achieved but by bit a percentage if ownership of ACL/Ricoh is bought at cost price.

Even more stupid than suggesting we bring back Coleman. Seriously not one private business would ever agree to this.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
And the route they choose instead.........

Is irrelevant, fact is no company would allow a council to dictate terms - why the hell should they.

Out of interest other than being a football ground is the Ricoh Arena of any use to the City as an asset at all?
 

dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
Is irrelevant, fact is no company would allow a council to dictate terms - why the hell should they.

Out of interest other than being a football ground is the Ricoh Arena of any use to the City as an asset at all?

What a crazy idea.

Force the council to allow you to get ownership step by step just by making your own business a success ( which unless I am mistaken any private business would be trying to do anyway?)
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
What a crazy idea.

Force the council to allow you to get ownership step by step just by making your own business a success ( which unless I am mistaken any private business would be trying to do anyway?)

LOL you are funny
 

gaziola

New Member
Couldn't agree more. SISU are sh*t at running a football club. Not the first clue. We're unfortunately a 1 off in this country. Plus we played some real decent football under coleman. But i'm still hoping...............
 

CJparker

New Member
Thanks for the replies (including some grudging "s'pose so" from Grumpy Grendel...

In terms of financing, if we had kept many of the players we released, we could well be challenging for the play-offs in the Champ, if not in the Premier by now - with a half share in the Ricoh, the commensurate drop in rent, and with crowds of 25k per home game that success brings, finance would not be much of an issue for these fairly modest proposals.

My source for ROD's wages is Mr Steve Waggott - have got an even funnier story from him about "Goals" O'Donovan...aka "the best player in the Championship" by his own admission!

Yes, SISU did mortgage Ryton to raise funds, though I understand that the mortgage has now been closed it are back under full CCFC ownership. The sales of future ST revenue is true - Igwe defended this as "standard business practice" (only if you are Glasgow Rangers of Fiorentina circa 2000!)

Above all, this was not meant to be a SISU-bashing thread as such, just looking at where things could have been different.
 

skyblue1991

Well-Known Member
what would you have done differently?

Here's mine:

1) accept ACL proposal for variable rent based on league status

2) secure King, Gunnarson and Westwood on longer contracts.

3) not sell Keogh or Bigi or Best or Juke or Tabb

4) kept faith with Chris Coleman with AT as chief scout / director of football - Ranson to be a non-football director

5) work closely and productively with council to buy half of Ricoh (at least)

6) not mortgaged Ryton

7) not sold future ST revenues years in advance

8) re-named various stands after club legends like Hill and George/John

9) communicated much better with fans, including having a Trust rep on the board

10) made sure that the Ricoh train station was finished by encouraging Network Rail and the council

11) put in place better bus service from city to Ricoh, as Reading have

12) do more work in schools to give tickets to kids, filling up the Arena more and planting the seed with future fans

All very well with the benefit of hindsight - but hard to argue against all these points!

oh and 13) not sign ROD on a 3-year £5k p/w deal!!! :mad:

1) Yes, but the rent was way over the odds in the first place. Negotiate that first.
2) Yes, no chance of keeping them, all went to better clubs
3) Yes, all wanted to leave however.
4) Coleman was terrible! Wouldn't mind Thorn as scout though.
5) If rent was negotiated (see 1) then this isn't a priority for the first 5/6 years. Leave it as an option though
6) Yep
7) Did that happen?
8) No, as nice as it would have been this is the 21 century; all sponsorships. Name the refreshment areas like then have done (Jimmys, Bar 87 etc...)
9) Communication would be good but would not like a member of the trust on board.
10) Out of the club's hands.
11) More likely than 10 but still out of hands
12) Tried, tested and didnt work. Remember getting free tickets when I was at Cardinal Wiseman (albeit older than Primary School), plenty of kids threw tickets in the bin. Success will bring kids to the Ricoh
13) Agree. Not just O'Donovan though. Bell, Wood on high wages/long contracts.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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Wasn't Dowie in charge in 2007....Ranson installed Coleman in 2008 didn't he?




What would I have done in 2007? Probably put us straight into administration....:whistle:

...We'd be exactly where we are now, except I wouldn't have had to endure the last 6 years of shit...

...I mean, Coleman then Hoofroyd then Thorn....jesus...Its a wonder I never took my own life:mad:
 

SkyBlueScottie

Well-Known Member
what would you have done differently?

Here's mine:

1) accept ACL proposal for variable rent based on league status

2) secure King, Gunnarson and Westwood on longer contracts.

3) not sell Keogh or Bigi or Best or Juke or Tabb

4) kept faith with Chris Coleman with AT as chief scout / director of football - Ranson to be a non-football director

5) work closely and productively with council to buy half of Ricoh (at least)

6) not mortgaged Ryton

7) not sold future ST revenues years in advance

8) re-named various stands after club legends like Hill and George/John

9) communicated much better with fans, including having a Trust rep on the board

10) made sure that the Ricoh train station was finished by encouraging Network Rail and the council

11) put in place better bus service from city to Ricoh, as Reading have

12) do more work in schools to give tickets to kids, filling up the Arena more and planting the seed with future fans

All very well with the benefit of hindsight - but hard to argue against all these points!

oh and 13) not sign ROD on a 3-year £5k p/w deal!!! :mad:

Thanks for the replies (including some grudging "s'pose so" from Grumpy Grendel...

In terms of financing, if we had kept many of the players we released, we could well be challenging for the play-offs in the Champ, if not in the Premier by now - with a half share in the Ricoh, the commensurate drop in rent, and with crowds of 25k per home game that success brings, finance would not be much of an issue for these fairly modest proposals.

My source for ROD's wages is Mr Steve Waggott - have got an even funnier story from him about "Goals" O'Donovan...aka "the best player in the Championship" by his own admission!

Yes, SISU did mortgage Ryton to raise funds, though I understand that the mortgage has now been closed it are back under full CCFC ownership. The sales of future ST revenue is true - Igwe defended this as "standard business practice" (only if you are Glasgow Rangers of Fiorentina circa 2000!)

Above all, this was not meant to be a SISU-bashing thread as such, just looking at where things could have been different.

1, was that on the table to SISU? yes it was offered to Geoffrey and friends howwever the council would have seen a potentially rich "Mayfair Hedge Fund" and thought they could carry on taking the rent as it was.

2, I think the only realistic option of keeping one of those was King, and thats if you believe he was going to sign the verbally offered deal. Westwood was always going to run his deal down, we were interested in Murphy, who run his deal down, they both shared the same representation, I dont think its beyond belief that the club and agent engineered the whole situation.

Gunnars was apparently offered double his wages to stay (according to Ranson) said on stage in the Casino, again I dont think he was ever going to sign.

3, Keogh, we were relegated and more than likely had to seel rather than lose on a free.

Bigi was sold, the next day our Academy status was preserved, read into that what you will.

Best, Juke Tabb, all come under the top scorer, player of the year type and we have sold on. I agree such moves undermine the whole set up of the club and instinctively the remaining players can have their enthusiasm dampened which leads to further losses etc.

4, Cant see why we should have kept Coleman, he allowed the "it's Coventry" attitude to seep into the players and his mind, the writing was on the wall for him as soon as SISU failed to back Ranson in the market and by selling the Crown Jewels...

5, My opinion is the Council dont want that too happen, at the moment with SISU in charge they can hide behind the opinion that SISU cant be trusted therefore they will not sell, but if we ever do get new credible owners I wonder what they will say then. The Ricoh is obviously not costing them money (may even be making them a bit) but the regeneration potential around is still enormous, they will want a slice of that pie.

6, they mortgaged it, but paid it back, without knowing the full story cant really comment, I would however guess that SISU were not prepared to put a million or so into running the club therefore it was that or potentially sell a player.

7, see above.

8, who was in charge of naming stands, was it a way of producing revenue, I would say yes it was, Who received such money?

9, a failing yes, but in my eyes a football club cant simply give out all the answers wanted by fans.

10, I seriously dont think it matters apart to a few fans....

11, whats wrong with the bus service?

12, they already do a lot of work in schools, they initially targeted local football teams, however that system was abused by adults keeping the tickets for themselves and in some cases also selling them on....

ROD, an odd one. Be good to hear the other story though....
 

Matthewearley12

New Member
Stayed at Highfield Road and invested rent money for the Ricoh Arena into our debt, Highfield Road, Ryton and playing squad! Employed a young hungry manager instead of the likes of reid, coleman, dowie!
GK. Westwood
RB. Keogh
CB. Turner
CB. Dann
LB. Fox
RM. Tabb
CM. Bigirama
CM. Gunarsson
LM. Mcsheffery (Never let him go to Birmingham so they could ruin a great player!) Le Fondre (Paid that little more that reading were willing to pay!) or even years before we tried!
ST. Juke
ST. King

Subs
Murphy
Christie
Wood
Mcpake
Baker
Best
Le fondre (Sighned him a couple of seasons before we tried! he was scoring goals for fun for years!)
 
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mrtrench

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Great stuff and very practical. I have also come up with a list of equities I would have bought and sold this year.
 

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