If SISU had Balls & Backbone.....It could of been - (1 Viewer)

CarpyCov84 · Nov 2, 2012

Westwood

Keogh Cranie Dann Fox

Henderson Clingan Gunnarrsson

Juke Carroll King

No doubt a side like this would of won the Championship if Sisu kept their Nerve and backed Chris Coleman at the crucial time.................ahhhh well back to work ;-)

PUSB

We'll_live_and_die · Nov 2, 2012

It could of been this thread?

CarpyCov84 · Nov 2, 2012

Clicked go before I started it lol apologies

lordsummerisle · Nov 2, 2012

CarpyCov84 said:
Westwood

Keogh Cranie Dann Fox

Henderson Clingan Gunnarrsson

Juke Carroll King

No doubt a side like this would of won the Championship if Sisu kept their Nerve and backed Chris Coleman at the crucial time.................ahhhh well back to work ;-)

PUSB

If Sisu and Ranson had never given Coleman the job in the first place we might be a lot better off.

CarpyCov84 · Nov 2, 2012

Agreed although Dowie never had a chance when these lot came to town.

We'll_live_and_die · Nov 2, 2012

Great Clingan that struggles to pass to anyone ahead of him and Andy Carroll who just struggles. With those two in the squad we would struggle to win league 1 let alone the championship.

CarpyCov84 · Nov 2, 2012

That side would pick up points in the Premiership they put this current squad to shame gone back-wards is an understatement !

ggrady · Nov 2, 2012

Clingan? More like bigi in there tbh

CarpyCov84 · Nov 2, 2012

Rich said:
Great Clingan that struggles to pass to anyone ahead of him and Andy Carroll who just struggles. With those two in the squad we would struggle to win league 1 let alone the championship.

I suppose this side wouldn't please everyone knowing our supporters and how they go on but I'd bet 99% of fans on here would take this side over our current crop of Garbage

CarpyCov84 · Nov 2, 2012

ggrady said:
Clingan? More like bigi in there tbh

Agreed good point fella

CarpyCov84 · Nov 2, 2012

Put it this way if McGoldrick was here if this was the side he would be playing reserve team football or at the Boro shows how far we've come.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Nov 2, 2012

Add Turner in for Cranie

skybluegod · Nov 2, 2012

Rich said:
Great Clingan that struggles to pass to anyone ahead of him and Andy Carroll who just struggles. With those two in the squad we would struggle to win league 1 let alone the championship.

yes but andy carroll in the championship was good and when he was at newcastle he scored 10 goals in half a season in the prem?

lordsummerisle · Nov 2, 2012

skybluegod said:
yes but andy carroll in the championship was good and when he was at newcastle he scored 10 goals in half a season in the prem?

We were never going to sign Carrol or Henderson, despite what Ray "debt-free, massive pay-rise every year, and wonga.com levels of interest paid on his loan" Ranson said.

SBS · Nov 2, 2012

Possibly Norwood as well

CarpyCov84 · Nov 2, 2012

I believe the deal for Carroll was all but done until Sisu blocked it at the last min agree with post above Oliver Norwood was a great midfielder the type of player we have missed since Gary Mac left

jimmyhillsfanclub · Nov 2, 2012

If my auntie had bollocks, she'd be my uncle...

What a stupid & pointless OP....

.....still....its Friday.....waayheeyyyyyy....

I'm off.

WillieStanley · Nov 2, 2012

The mistake was Coleman imho. We wouldn't have succeeded under him if we had Chipped, Hadji, Kane McAllister et al.

I also believe that if Coleman or Boothroyd had seen even a glimmer of success we wouldn't have been fed scraps ever since. Both had squads capable of mounting serious play off pushes.

Anyway the time for what ifs is over. We need to accept recent history for what it is and gather up what belief and pride we have left. We need to use that to back Robins.

PUSB

Sick Boy · Nov 2, 2012

It is funny that people believe whatever Ranson used to say. Also that we were the only club who Carroll and Henderson were offered to. What is even funnier is claiming that Coleman would have got us to the top of the Championship.

oldskyblue58 · Nov 2, 2012

there was no chance of us getting carroll because we didnt have the finances to do it ........ Ranson can say what he likes but the bottom line was we didnt have the money

its easy for him to say SISU wouldnt spend the money........ my guess is that due to his lack of success they had spent what he and they budgetted and a bit more.... at some point you have to say no. Easy to blame SISU when in actual fact they let him do anything he wanted right up to the point their investors said "no more we dont see it working" Dont forget under Ranson we lost something like £20m even after selling Dann & Fox ! dont forget he was the CEO the man with his finger on all the figures...... he knew if we could afford the deal or not, but that doesnt deflect responsibilty though does it Ray

Just to be clear the plan was always to bring in players and sell them on .......... which is what they have done consistently....... it is the only way to keep CCFC afloat .......... the squad of players above was always unlikely to be playing together for long if at all.

ps some of those players were not even on Colemans radar .......... or available to him

Sick Boy · Nov 2, 2012

WillieStanley said:
The mistake was Coleman imho. We wouldn't have succeeded under him if we had Chipped, Hadji, Kane McAllister et al.

I also believe that if Coleman or Boothroyd had seen even a glimmer of success we wouldn't have been fed scraps ever since. Both had squads capable of mounting serious play off pushes.

Anyway the time for what ifs is over. We need to accept recent history for what it is and gather up what belief and pride we have left. We need to use that to back Robins.

PUSB

Boothroyd did offer a glimmer of success, more so than any other manager in reason years. The fans wanted to watch 'passing' football, some even claiming this was even more important than results.

Also, why doesn't AB get the same sympathy that certain others have? He wasn't backed in January and allowed to add to the squad to compensate for injuries to key players?

Sick Boy · Nov 2, 2012

oldskyblue58 said:
there was no chance of us getting carroll because we didnt have the finances to do it ........ Ranson can say what he likes but the bottom line was we didnt have the money

its easy for him to say SISU wouldnt spend the money........ my guess is that due to his lack of success they had spent what he and they budgetted and a bit more.... at some point you have to say no. Easy to blame SISU when in actual fact they let him do anything he wanted right up to the point their investors said "no more we dont see it working" Dont forget under Ranson we lost something like £20m even after selling Dann & Fox ! dont forget he was the CEO the man with his finger on all the figures...... he knew if we could afford the deal or not, but that doesnt deflect responsibilty though does it Ray

Just to be clear the plan was always to bring in players and sell them on .......... which is what they have done consistently....... it is the only way to keep CCFC afloat .......... the squad of players above was always unlikely to be playing together for long if at all.

ps some of those players were not even on Colemans radar .......... or available to him

Good post!!

Gaz · Nov 2, 2012

Hoofroyd got sacked for rubbish football and rubbish results.
Enough said.

WillieStanley · Nov 2, 2012

Sick Boy said:
Boothroyd did offer a glimmer of success, more so than any other manager in reason years. The fans wanted to watch 'passing' football, some even claiming this was even more important than results.

Also, why doesn't AB get the same sympathy that certain others have? He wasn't backed in January and allowed to add to the squad to compensate for injuries to key players?

I have no problem with the long ball game at all, so long as it gets results and you have something to switch to when it doesn't work. We went on a good run at the beginning of the season, during which, the board said that if we were still in the top 6 by Christmas, he would be backed for more transfers. We were then "found out" and didn't have a plan B so continued to hoof it up the pitch where opposing teams were ready for us. By Christmas we were not in the top six and 1 third the way into a terrible streak without winning, thus Boothroyd, who had already signed Juke for a reported £1m and got MK in on £10k per week amongst numerous other players, was not afforded more money.

It's hard to feel sorry for AB when he was given a lot in his first season but ultimately, failed to deliver with but the one tactic.

I enjoyed our winning run when we were on it, but his record after Leeds was, on the basis of other managerial departures, sackable.

EDIT: Ref Juke and MK... nothing against them or their signings... just an example of how much money he had to spend

Sick Boy · Nov 2, 2012

gaz said:
Hoofroyd got sacked for rubbish football and rubbish results.
Enough said.

Yet he is the better manager out of our last 3 and will have a longer career in management.

Gaz · Nov 2, 2012

Sick Boy said:
Yet he is the better manager out of our last 3 and will have a longer career in management.

What's that got to do with the fact he got sacked for rubbish football and rubbish results ?

DazzleTommyDazzle · Nov 2, 2012

WillieStanley said:
I have no problem with the long ball game at all, so long as it gets results and you have something to switch to when it doesn't work. We went on a good run at the beginning of the season, during which, the board said that if we were still in the top 6 by Christmas, he would be backed for more transfers. We were then "found out" and didn't have a plan B so continued to hoof it up the pitch where opposing teams were ready for us. By Christmas we were not in the top six and 1 third the way into a terrible streak without winning, thus Boothroyd, who had already signed Juke for a reported £1m and got MK in on £10k per week amongst numerous other players, was not afforded more money.

It's hard to feel sorry for AB when he was given a lot in his first season but ultimately, failed to deliver with but the one tactic.

I enjoyed our winning run when we were on it, but his record after Leeds was, on the basis of other managerial departures, sackable.

EDIT: Ref Juke and MK... nothing against them or their signings... just an example of how much money he had to spend

Good post!!

Sick Boy · Nov 2, 2012

gaz said:
What's that got to do with the fact he got sacked for rubbish football and rubbish results ?

He was not sacked for rubbish football, he was sacked due to poor results.

I was just pointing out a mere observation, that of our last 3 managers, he is the better manager and will have a lengthy career in management.

Sick Boy · Nov 2, 2012

WillieStanley said:
I have no problem with the long ball game at all, so long as it gets results and you have something to switch to when it doesn't work. We went on a good run at the beginning of the season, during which, the board said that if we were still in the top 6 by Christmas, he would be backed for more transfers. We were then "found out" and didn't have a plan B so continued to hoof it up the pitch where opposing teams were ready for us. By Christmas we were not in the top six and 1 third the way into a terrible streak without winning, thus Boothroyd, who had already signed Juke for a reported £1m and got MK in on £10k per week amongst numerous other players, was not afforded more money.

It's hard to feel sorry for AB when he was given a lot in his first season but ultimately, failed to deliver with but the one tactic.

I enjoyed our winning run when we were on it, but his record after Leeds was, on the basis of other managerial departures, sackable.

EDIT: Ref Juke and MK... nothing against them or their signings... just an example of how much money he had to spend

I actually thought we looked a better team under AB before King came along.

lordsummerisle · Nov 2, 2012

Sick Boy said:
I actually thought we looked a better team under AB before King came along.

We were, and results afterwards showed that, however it was Boothroyd who put his neck on the chopping block by insisting on signing him, so any downturn in results and performances after King have to be put onto him.

wingy · Nov 2, 2012

WillieStanley said:
I have no problem with the long ball game at all, so long as it gets results and you have something to switch to when it doesn't work. We went on a good run at the beginning of the season, during which, the board said that if we were still in the top 6 by Christmas, he would be backed for more transfers. We were then "found out" and didn't have a plan B so continued to hoof it up the pitch where opposing teams were ready for us. By Christmas we were not in the top six and 1 third the way into a terrible streak without winning, thus Boothroyd, who had already signed Juke for a reported £1m and got MK in on £10k per week amongst numerous other players, was not afforded more money.

It's hard to feel sorry for AB when he was given a lot in his first season but ultimately, failed to deliver with but the one tactic.

I enjoyed our winning run when we were on it, but his record after Leeds was, on the basis of other managerial departures, sackable.

EDIT: Ref Juke and MK... nothing against them or their signings... just an example of how much money he had to spend

Thought we got Juke for around £300K.,AB could talk the talk and walk the walk ,an inspirational character.I like you could take the style of footaball for the results we were getting .There were a few factors like the loss of Turner who had been a revelation,Carsley becoming injured ,the devisive signature of King which took eons to complete most likely for financial reasons but possibly politically too ,Female fans and Sponsors to consider .Did'nt Doyle got to Leeds at that point so cost negated .There is no doubt that at this point the season went into meltdown.I personally think Sisu just hav'nt got the balls to go for it which is odd given their Mantra,barely 15 months into thier gambit they started to sell the starlets they'd bought in ,and again around that Christmas was a time to back a manager who till that point had delivered

Gaz · Nov 2, 2012

Sick Boy said:
He was not sacked for rubbish football, he was sacked due to poor results.

I was just pointing out a mere observation, that of our last 3 managers, he is the better manager and will have a lengthy career in management.

Hoofroyd the great who is now in league 2 was sacked for rubbish results yes.

He played rubbish football, I was just pointing out a mere observation too.

dongonzalos · Nov 2, 2012

ggrady said:
Clingan? More like bigi in there tbh

It would have been cork

Grendel · Nov 2, 2012

gaz said:
Hoofroyd the great who is now in league 2 was sacked for rubbish results yes.

He played rubbish football, I was just pointing out a mere observation too.

Not so rubbish as your chum delivered though was it Gaz and we had to put up with 17 months of bungling ineptitude from him. Which League is he managing in now by the way?

dongonzalos · Nov 2, 2012

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
Good post!!

Good post...........

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