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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #246
cloughie said:
As previously been said some prefer to put their efforts into defending the in defendable rather than the solution to rid this scum from our club
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Exactly mate, people need to stop defending the actions of the hooligans yesterday because as you say it is indefendable. Instead they need to put there efforts into actual organised protests against SISU.
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #247
We need to be organised and as peaceful as is feasibly possible.

Not always possible for sure and passions are running high, but
the last thing we need to be coming across as is thugs.
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #248
Last home match, I was one of about 20 who stayed behind for about 30 minutes after the match to continue the protest. Where was everyone else? In particular where were those who are now condoning yesterdays yobbish behaviour?

Want to make a statement then get 5,000 of us staying behind after a match and refusing to leave would make more of an impact than a few hooligans breaking some advertising boards and invading the pitch with smoke bombs.
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #249
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Last home match, I was one of about 20 who stayed behind for about 30 minutes after the match to continue the protest. Where was everyone else? In particular where were those who are now condoning yesterdays yobbish behaviour?

Want to make a statement then get 5,000 of us staying behind after a match and refusing to leave would make more of an impact than a few hooligans breaking some advertising boards and invading the pitch with smoke bombs.
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Would get more sympathy too.
 

singers_pore

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #250
Hooligans my arse. Obviously you weren't at games in the 70s and 80s. FFS no one was stabbed and no punches were thrown. Get a grip.
 
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speedie87

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #251
We need to be known as the club with the worst owners not the worst fans.
All these millwall fan wanna be's are no longer protesters , they are just hooligans.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #252
joemercersaces said:
Oh my God! You really can't be as stupid as you come across. Any criticism of SISU is greeted with a hissy fit. Your posts could be dictated by one Timothy Fisher. He must piss himself laughing at you. There is no separate entity called CCFC anymore who make their own decisions. Fisher is SISU, SISU are CCFC, for Gods sake wake up.
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It's not a hissy fit. It's asking how it will be sisu paying the fine not ccfc.

Strange nobody is answering that.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #253
Nick said:
It's not a hissy fit. It's asking how it will be sisu paying the fine not ccfc.

Strange nobody is answering that.
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But there does become a point when the ccfc money runs out and after the window closes what is he going to sell? The football league might no be so forgiving if the club enter admin owing them money.

As fans we could do with a bit of help from other clubs so if Fisher goes to Bournemouth to sell the Wilson sell on clause they should turn him away.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #254
Terry Gibson's perm said:
But there does become a point when the ccfc money runs out and after the window closes what is he going to sell? The football league might no be so forgiving if the club enter admin owing them money.

As fans we could do with a bit of help from other clubs so if Fisher goes to Bournemouth to sell the Wilson sell on clause they should turn him away.
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They cut even more costs for next season.

Who said anything about going into admin owing the fl money?

Sisu won't be paying fines. Ccfc will.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #255
Nick said:
They cut even more costs for next season.

Who said anything about going into admin owing the fl money?

Sisu won't be paying fines. Ccfc will.
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There is a point where they can't cut the costs anymore, the club is run fairly lean.

If the fans invade the pitch many times the fines will get bigger and bigger and the money will run out (fisher has just goy lucky that the checkatrade game will bring in around 250k).
 

Otis

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  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #256
Terry Gibson's perm said:
There is a point where they can't cut the costs anymore, the club is run fairly lean.

If the fans invade the pitch many times the fines will get bigger and bigger and the money will run out (fisher has just goy lucky that the checkatrade game will bring in around 250k).
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And by then where will we be? Almost certainly non-league for sure.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #257
Otis said:
And by then where will we be? Almost certainly non-league for sure.
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We will be there anyway and his business model won't work in non league the young kids won't sign fir us as they want to be at league clubs
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #258
Terry Gibson's perm said:
There is a point where they can't cut the costs anymore, the club is run fairly lean.

If the fans invade the pitch many times the fines will get bigger and bigger and the money will run out (fisher has just goy lucky that the checkatrade game will bring in around 250k).
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The fines won't be that large and I suspect the first thing to actually happen will be a ban on fans going to away games with heavy fines on supporters who try and beach the ban.
 

bawtryneal

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #259
Nick said:
It's not a hissy fit. It's asking how it will be sisu paying the fine not ccfc.

Strange nobody is answering that.
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Not sure where you stand on this Nick. Do you think that CCFC pay the fines or SISU
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #260
Grendel said:
The fines won't be that large and I suspect the first thing to actually happen will be a ban on fans going to away games with heavy fines on supporters who try and beach the ban.
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Do the fans seem bothered about bans? Some if those fans in the pitch yesterday would have been on against Sheffield united, banning orders are hopeless I know somebody who was banned for years and never missed a home game.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #261
bawtryneal said:
Not sure where you stand on this Nick. Do you think that CCFC pay the fines or SISU
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I don't know, nobody who Has said it will be sisu has explained how yet.

If it is sisu paying from their pocket then it puts a completely different shine on things to if it's ccfc doesn't it?
 

joemercersaces

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #262
Nick said:
It's not a hissy fit. It's asking how it will be sisu paying the fine not ccfc.

Strange nobody is answering that.
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You like smugly asserting that nobody can answer that don't you?
And you cling on to the fantasy that SISU/ARVO/CCFC are separate entities. I'll ask again, when SISU allegedly pumped 70 millions into the club was that their money?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #263
joemercersaces said:
You like smugly asserting that nobody can answer that don't you?
And you cling on to the fantasy that SISU/ARVO/CCFC are separate entities. I'll ask again, when SISU allegedly pumped 70 millions into the club was that their money?
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Sisu haven't put any money into the club I would guess. There is £36 million of real debt associated with their managed funds that is held against the club.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #264
joemercersaces said:
You like smugly asserting that nobody can answer that don't you?
And you cling on to the fantasy that SISU/ARVO/CCFC are separate entities. I'll ask again, when SISU allegedly pumped 70 millions into the club was that their money?
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No, any money would have been their investors wouldn't it? I have never mentioned the 70 million and don't believe it is anywhere near 70 million.

It isn't fantasy they are actually separate, it's fact.

I got the impression people did know it would be SISU paying the fans, the same people who keep saying how SISU won't put any money into the club now suddenly think SISU are going to pay the fines and it won't be CCFC doing it.
 

SkyBlueRuffian

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  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #265
fredrex said:
Don't bother going. Disrupting the games. Not helping our players. Bound to be a points disruption.
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Let's all sit back and do nothing like you guys. The nicey nice approach is getting loads of notice isn't it?
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #266
SkyBlueRuffian said:
Let's all sit back and do nothing like you guys. The nicey nice approach is getting loads of notice isn't it?
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It's going to achieve the same thing (nothing) and not get fines / points loss for CCFC and make opposition teams lose any sympathy they might have had.

It's not about the action, it's the method.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #267
SkyBlueRuffian said:
Let's all sit back and do nothing like you guys. The nicey nice approach is getting loads of notice isn't it?
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We've done the pitch invasion.

What good will come of more pitch invasions other than pissing rival fans and clubs off and costing the team points?

We did the walk on protest, it worked. Now need alternative strategies.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #268
Otis said:
We've done the pitch invasion.

What good will come of more pitch invasions other than pissing rival fans and clubs off and costing the team points?

We did the walk on protest, it worked. Now need alternative strategies.
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I suspect the behaviour will worsen as the season goes on.
 
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Otis

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  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #269
Grendel said:
I suspect the behaviour will worsen as the season goes on.
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It's certainly looking like it is heading that way.
I can see a player or official getting struck if we keep invading the pitch.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #270
Otis said:
It's certainly looking like it is heading that way.
I can see a player or official getting struck if we keep invading the pitch.
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Unless it's to make sure joy is paying for extra stewards and police from her own pocket?
 

eastwoodsdustman

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #271
If the pitch invasion appears non violent like vs sheffield then it would look a lot better. Perhaps people should just sit or lie down on the pitch? Peaceful disobedience wont piss off the opposition as much. As the Northampton fan posted,yesterdays protests were bordering on the edge or reasonable. Some pissed up idiots jump on it and miss the point.
 

joemercersaces

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #272
Ah a revelation. SISU aren't totally and exclusively concerned with money and so a financial hit wouldn't actually bother them. It all seems so obvious now I've been shown the light.

So CCFC's money situation is of no interest to this remote and totally unconnected body called Sisu. They didn't come here just to make money. They weren't after the Ricoh just to make money. And who was it made us play at Sixfields again? Was that CCFC or SISU?
 

cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #273
AVWskyblue said:
You calling me scum Tony,? Big error on your part my laddy

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Wrong my names not Tony sunshine wrong the scum I was talking about are sisu, . Big error on my part ? Now would that be a threat laddy
 

NortonSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #274
speedie87 said:
We need to be known as the club with the worst owners not the worst fans.
All these millwall fan wanna be's are no longer protesters , they are just hooligans.
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I wish we had found another way of protesting but I understand the fans anger and frustration and if you don't feel it yourself then I would be very surprised.
They are not hooligans, they are protesters, they are not thugs, they are our fans who are bereft at the way things have turned out and are trying to do something about it.
If you think they are wrong fine but I can't help thinking that they care and are hurting and are articulating much better than the silent majority who hope things turn for the better. And I include myself in that.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #275
joemercersaces said:
Ah a revelation. SISU aren't totally and exclusively concerned with money and so a financial hit wouldn't actually bother them. It all seems so obvious now I've been shown the light.

So CCFC's money situation is of no interest to this remote and totally unconnected body called Sisu. They didn't come here just to make money. They weren't after the Ricoh just to make money. And who was it made us play at Sixfields again? Was that CCFC or SISU?
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So again, how does that mean sisu are going to be paying any fines rather than ccfc paying it?

If there is for example a 50k fine, can you explain how it would work?

If you want to tell others they are stupid id guess you know exactly, so feel free to explain to the stupid.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #276
Nick said:
It's going to achieve the same thing (nothing) and not get fines / points loss for CCFC and make opposition teams lose any sympathy they might have had.

It's not about the action, it's the method.
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We're already on our own. Sympathy is one thing but it does nothing to aid our cause. Do you think that sympathy from other clubs is going to save our club? It certainly seems to be the corner stone of your argument. I just can't see SISU going because we have sympathy from other clubs fans. Maybe you could explain why it's so important?
 
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Hugh Jarse

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #277
When the league start deducting points I hope all of you supporting the flare throwers are happy.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #278
skybluetony176 said:
We're already on our own. Sympathy is one thing but it does nothing to aid our cause. Do you think that sympathy from other clubs is going to save our club? It certainly seems to be the corner stone of your argument. I just can't see SISU going because we have sympathy from other clubs fans. Maybe you could explain why it's so important?
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It isn't the cornerstone of my argument. I thought the aim was to get notice? Surely that notice should have people thinking about sisu and not our fans.

How do you think yesterday will save our club?
 
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rupert_bear

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #279
I now know who most of those on the pitch yesterday were, they won't give a toss about banning orders etc and there's plenty of them, not members of any group such as Trust or JHW. That's just one splinter group there will be others and impromptu action is almost impossible to steward or Police. Could happen inside the ground or outside, before kick off, or after during a game home or away.
It's a security nightmare
 

joemercersaces

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2017
  • #280
Nick said:
So again, how does that mean sisu are going to be paying any fines rather than ccfc paying it?

If there is for example a 50k fine, can you explain how it would work?

If you want to tell others they are stupid id guess you know exactly, so feel free to explain to the stupid.
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No thanks. I've tried. Einstein said the definition of stupidity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. It's in your head now that there is an actual as opposed to convenient distinction between our erstwhile owners and our finances, so carry on. You cling to that.
 
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