2500 sold..... asked for more.How many are Hull bringing down ?
0 - SAG have asked for the game to be called off in case any snowball fights break out, apparently.How many are Hull bringing down ?
Leeds is not bigger than Liverpool & Manchester, the contiguous urban area of Leeds is around 750.000 Liverpool 1.2 million & Manchester 2.8 million.Coventry is very much a football city and has amongst the most dedicated and passionate supporters in this league. We witness that week in week out. Simply wouldn't swap our support for that of any other club tbh.
The numbers frustrate at times, but then we've sold a record number of STs this season, so it's hardly that we're not responding.
Problem is, people grossly overstate the size of the city and the extent of our pull. Comparisons with Leeds are mad, it is huge, bigger than Liverpool and Manchester. So too Newcastle, it's metro area is enormous in comparison. Coventry has an urban area population similar to Newport, Reading, Birkenhead and Preston. There is a wider catchment area of course (same applies to those other places too), but our pull there is minimal, there are just so many clubs in the area.
We have top 10 gates in the championship. Shouldn't be crying about that.
Leeds is not bigger than Liverpool & Manchester, the contiguous urban area of Leeds is around 750.000 Liverpool 1.2 million & Manchester 2.8 million.
Of course Leeds is the main city in the West Yorkshire conurbation but this is very Far reaching & includes many other towns and cities such as Bradford, Bingley, Wakefield, Halifax, Whetherby, Keigley & even Huddersfield.
Out of Preston, Newport, Reading and Birkenhead the only one I’d concede would be Reading and that would be pushing it.
Preston you would have to include all the towns within 25 miles to reach the population of Coventry ‘but then of course you could do exactly the same with Coventry.
Newport, really!!!
Birkenhead, is the largest of a cluster of towns on the Wirral Peninsula which are all basically suburbs of Liverpool , and when included in the Liverpool conurbation take’s it’s population to 1.7 million.
The nearest comparison’s I can find to Coventry by population and with one club are Southampton, Derby, Wolverhampton and Bradford.
Well even going from that, where does it say Leeds & Newcastle are bigger than Liverpool & Manchester ?I am quoting conurbation sizes as these are a truer reflection of the size of a place than 'city' populations which are often meaningless as they are determined by artificial lines on a map drawn by civil servants. You acknowledge that but seem to have come up with your own system of determining the size of urban areas. I am simply using this definition: List of urban areas in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia when comparing Coventry to roughly equivalent urban areas by size.
The fact is if we got promoted we’d fill the ground every week. And a chunk of that would stick around because nothing breeds fans like success. Mid table Championship were looking at 20k ish, if we sustain top ten then I could see that rising to mid twenties over a couple of seasons. And that’s not terrible.
Im not sure we’d fill it every week
Think Grendel is right, 4 or 5 k of so called fans, would only turn up for the glamour teams.I think we would. Worst case we’d be looking very high twenties.
20,000 at HR looked sardinesComparing attendances from now to yesteryear should always be looked at objectively.
Up until relatively recently, the number of people actually in a ground was under declared more often than not.
Cash through turnstiles often went to Chairman who would pocket some, top up wages so players didn’t pay 40% tax, put some aside for bungs etc. (that’s if the turnstile operators actually handed all the cash). I recall reading about Stan Flashman at Barnet in the 80s90s. 7000 people in the ground, 3000 declared.
It would not surprise me if a declared attendance of 20000 meant 25000 actual people in the ground back then, particularly in the terrace days where capacities were often ignored (with terrible consequences indirectly here in Sheffield).
Now it’s the other way around. Every season ticket is counted even if they don’t turn up - even kids tickets given. Underdeclaration of cash is not possible. Also, many other complimentary tickets counted and so on.
(Wasps were worse, their declared attendances were massively overinflated)
20000 declared attendance might mean 15-17000 actually in ground.
Can any of the senior posters on here add any thoughts on this? Did it seem to them that “20000” at HR look to be substantially more than 20000 at CBS?
Don’t know about that, but 8 or 9 k on a cold winters night at highfield rd. seemed worse than 8 or 9 k at CBS.Comparing attendances from now to yesteryear should always be looked at objectively.
Up until relatively recently, the number of people actually in a ground was under declared more often than not.
Cash through turnstiles often went to Chairman who would pocket some, top up wages so players didn’t pay 40% tax, put some aside for bungs etc. (that’s if the turnstile operators actually handed all the cash). I recall reading about Stan Flashman at Barnet in the 80s90s. 7000 people in the ground, 3000 declared.
It would not surprise me if a declared attendance of 20000 meant 25000 actual people in the ground back then, particularly in the terrace days where capacities were often ignored (with terrible consequences indirectly here in Sheffield).
Now it’s the other way around. Every season ticket is counted even if they don’t turn up - even kids tickets given. Underdeclaration of cash is not possible. Also, many other complimentary tickets counted and so on.
(Wasps were worse, their declared attendances were massively overinflated)
20000 declared attendance might mean 15-17000 actually in ground.
Can any of the senior posters on here add any thoughts on this? Did it seem to them that “20000” at HR look to be substantially more than 20000 at CBS?
Im not sure we’d fill it every week
In my local on Sunday you could have sworn you were in a pub in Toxteth!!!
There has been a great deal of apathy towards the club for many years because, 87 aside, we never won anything, or were even competing to win anything and we were just perennial relegation fighters…….and they were the good old days!!
Since Robins came back there has been a distinct change and it is a lot more noticeable how many Coventry shirts are being worn around the City and there is a real growing ‘youth’ following which will serve the club well for many years to come and will then grow a new era of Cov supporters when they become parents themselves!
I joked about Sunday in the boozer but pretty much to a man all of the plastic Scousers in there were 40+ year olds who had supported ‘their club’ for years.
That’s definitely changing now and that’s because we are on the up and because of the atmosphere and they’re having a good experience and not seeing us get beat most weeks with the odd win now and again over one of the ‘big sides’ which was pretty customary for a lot of us over a certain age!
This is absolutely spot on.In my local on Sunday you could have sworn you were in a pub in Toxteth!!!
There has been a great deal of apathy towards the club for many years because, 87 aside, we never won anything, or were even competing to win anything and we were just perennial relegation fighters…….and they were the good old days!!
Since Robins came back there has been a distinct change and it is a lot more noticeable how many Coventry shirts are being worn around the City and there is a real growing ‘youth’ following which will serve the club well for many years to come and will then grow a new era of Cov supporters when they become parents themselves!
I joked about Sunday in the boozer but pretty much to a man all of the plastic Scousers in there were 40+ year olds who had supported ‘their club’ for years.
That’s definitely changing now and that’s because we are on the up and because of the atmosphere and they’re having a good experience and not seeing us get beat most weeks with the odd win now and again over one of the ‘big sides’ which was pretty customary for a lot of us over a certain age!
This is spot on
This is absolutely spot on.
A good example being Ipswich Town.
Only a small town ( 170.000 pop ) but even in League
TBF assuming you're on about the Dev, most people in there are City fans aren't they?In my local on Sunday you could have sworn you were in a pub in Toxteth!!!
There has been a great deal of apathy towards the club for many years because, 87 aside, we never won anything, or were even competing to win anything and we were just perennial relegation fighters…….and they were the good old days!!
Since Robins came back there has been a distinct change and it is a lot more noticeable how many Coventry shirts are being worn around the City and there is a real growing ‘youth’ following which will serve the club well for many years to come and will then grow a new era of Cov supporters when they become parents themselves!
I joked about Sunday in the boozer but pretty much to a man all of the plastic Scousers in there were 40+ year olds who had supported ‘their club’ for years.
That’s definitely changing now and that’s because we are on the up and because of the atmosphere and they’re having a good experience and not seeing us get beat most weeks with the odd win now and again over one of the ‘big sides’ which was pretty customary for a lot of us over a certain age!
Course we would.
Look at other clubs at this level and compare their average attendance in the season they were promoted with the average in their first Premier League season.
Hull
Championship 17,000
Premier League 24,000
Cardiff
Championship 20,000
Premier League 31,000
Stoke
Championship 16,000
Premier League 26,000
Leicester
Championship 24,000
Premier League 31,000
Middlesbrough
Championship 24,000
Premier League 31,000
The list goes on. Huddersfield, Swansea, Wigan and Reading all similar.
We'd sell at least 24,000 season tickets. Everyone would want points so they could go to Chelsea and Liverpool away as well. Without a season ticket you'd not come close to doing the away trips.
I just think they've forgotten to update that from the Sunderland game. Sales so far point to there being more than 18k City fans come ko. I could be talking bollocks though.Club expecting 21k. Only 18k Coventry fans is disappointing.
Get up there if you can.
For some reason only the first few lines of my reply came up, so for the record.That's because Ipswich is a one club region. It has the whole of Suffolk.
Really that would mean we will only get 3000 to 4000 extra supporters.Think Grendel is right, 4 or 5 k of so called fans, would only turn up for the glamour teams.
You'd be surprised!TBF assuming you're on about the Dev, most people in there are City fans aren't they?
BothHow many are Hull bringing down ?
A lot of those were probably people who just like to see Man Utd being humiliatedYou'd be surprised!
Loads of us are Cov but I'd say there was only about 30 or so in the bar Sunday and at least half of them were cheering on the Mickey's.
Even their Insta was celebrating Liverpool's win!
Yeah but even I started to cheer Liverpools last 3 goals , nowt like watching the United panelist’s like Keane and Neville squirmYou'd be surprised!
Loads of us are Cov but I'd say there was only about 30 or so in the bar Sunday and at least half of them were cheering on the Mickey's.
Even their Insta was celebrating Liverpool's win!
Really that would mean we will only get 3000 to 4000 extra supporters.
With a points system those glamour supporters would struggle to get a ticket.
Leicester as I've mentioned before had a lower average crowd then us sold out most weeks in the prem their average has now overtook us, mind you 2 stints away from home hasnt helped.
Have they fuckThose teams were better supported than us long before Northampton happened.
And they've had a lot of shit to deal with, not as much as us, granted, but they've had their fair share.
24,000 season tickets? Regardless of price?
I just think they've forgotten to update that from the Sunderland game. Sales so far point to there being more than 18k City fans come ko. I could be talking bollocks though.
Why would we sell 24k season tickets ? Based on what ?Course we would.
Look at other clubs at this level and compare their average attendance in the season they were promoted with the average in their first Premier League season.
Hull
Championship 17,000
Premier League 24,000
Cardiff
Championship 20,000
Premier League 31,000
Stoke
Championship 16,000
Premier League 26,000
Leicester
Championship 24,000
Premier League 31,000
Middlesbrough
Championship 24,000
Premier League 31,000
The list goes on. Huddersfield, Swansea, Wigan and Reading all similar.
We'd sell at least 24,000 season tickets. Everyone would want points so they could go to Chelsea and Liverpool away as well. Without a season ticket you'd not come close to doing the away trips.
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