Hull City problems buying freehold from council...... (1 Viewer)

jas365 · Nov 13, 2013

Interesting read:
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Inab...ce-Hull-City/story-20065723-detail/story.html

Not the same situation we have, but it was mentioned on the paper review on SSN this morning and the reviewer immediately drew attention to our situation with the Rioch.

Gint11 · Nov 13, 2013

Hull are not financially stricken though are they? The owner wants it to be self sufficient. Oh and he is harping on about changing to Hull Tigers?! Can someone remind him this isn't the NFL !

jas365 · Nov 13, 2013

I did say it's not the same situation as us!

I was making the point that someone in the media immediately drew attention to our situation, when talking about the Hull story.

bigfatronssba · Nov 13, 2013

Why do the FA and FL keep letting cretins like this take over football clubs?

Gint11 · Nov 13, 2013

jas365 said:
I did say it's not the same situation as us!

I was making the point that someone in the media immediately drew attention to our situation, when talking about the Hull story.

I wasn't arguing with you. I was referring to what I read, not what your opinion of it was.

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 13, 2013

"Having been deprived of opportunities to acquire the stadium freehold, which would have enabled us to create the infrastructure in the surrounding area, we will now need to focus on generating commercial income from elsewhere. A shorter club name will hopefully enable us to do so, with a stronger, quicker marketing impact over the world."

You can't help but feel sorry for clubs like Hull and Cardiff who have gone through these changes, especially Cardiff. I hope to god that it never happens to us, but I fear had we been taken over by Byng and his consortium this may have not been to far down the road.

lewys33 · Nov 13, 2013

We dont have the stadium freehold, so we are changing the name of the club!

#BrokenBritain

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 13, 2013

lewys33 said:
We dont have the stadium freehold, so we are changing the name of the club!

#BrokenBritain

Very quick assumption there..

lewys33 · Nov 13, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
lewys33 said:

We dont have the stadium freehold, so we are changing the name of the club!

#BrokenBritain

Click to expand...

Very quick assumption there..

Fucking hell it was meant to be a little joke! based on what you took from it .........

RoboCCFC90 said:
"Having been deprived of opportunities to acquire the stadium freehold, which would have enabled us to create the infrastructure in the surrounding area, we will now need to focus on generating commercial income from elsewhere. A shorter club name will hopefully enable us to do so, with a stronger, quicker marketing impact over the world."

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 13, 2013

lewys33 said:
Fucking hell it was meant to be a little joke! based on what you took from it .........

I never know when your joking nowadays

I whole heartedly apologise.

fernandopartridge · Nov 13, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Very quick assumption there..

It isn't assumption, that's what the club's owner has said.

lewys33 · Nov 13, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
I never know when your joking nowadays

I whole heartedly apologise.

It is hard to distinguish over a keyboard

Apology accepted!

RoboCCFC90 · Nov 13, 2013

fernandopartridge said:
It isn't assumption, that's what the club's owner has said.

Thanks Fernando glad your on form..

shmmeee · Nov 13, 2013

Hmmm, chairman threatens massively unpopular change if council don't give in to his demands.

Where have I heard that tactic before?

lewys33 · Nov 13, 2013

shmmeee said:
Hmmm, chairman threatens massively unpopular change if council don't give in to his demands.

Where have I heard that tactic before?

Next thing you know the hull fans will be blaming the council for the name change

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Nov 13, 2013

Why can't football clubs simply operate their expenditure within income?

Then, there'd be no requirement for driving 365-day income. Footballers are paid a sum that's wholly out of kilter with their worth, and when the game they play can't afford to sustain their cost, rather than operate a normal business model, normally sane owners simply crave additional incomes to feed the beast with an insatiable appetite.

Collectively, clubs have to address this problem. Yes, market the hell out if that which you have, maximise those streams and then build a business model that matches income and expenditure in a way that makes sense for the long term of the business, yet community asset football clubs are

torchomatic · Nov 13, 2013

True. Sky and abolishing the maximum wage have ruined our game. To be fair, I'm sure Jimmy didn't realise the consequences of his actions would have.

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Why can't football clubs simply operate their expenditure within income?

Then, there'd be no requirement for driving 365-day income. Footballers are paid a sum that's wholly out if kilter with their worth, and when the game thy play can't afford to sustain their cost, rather than operate a normal business model, normally sane owners simply crave additional incomes to feed the beast with an insatiable appetite.

Collectively, clubs have to address this problem. Yes, market the hell out if that which you have, maximise those streams and then build a business model that matches income and expenditure in a way that makes sense for the long term of the community asset football clubs are

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Nov 13, 2013

torchomatic said:
True. Sky and abolishing the maximum wage have ruined our game. To be fair, I'm sure Jimmy didn't realise the consequences of his actions would have.

I'm sure you're correct. It's been a wholly unsustainable model for ages, and rather than address this we've let it spiral out of control. To an extent it comes down to honesty and sense from owners too. If a model similar to Crewe's is what they're after, that's fine. Just articulate it.

Too many owners think it's all about success. For some fans, it is. For others, it's about participation in something that's associated with 'where you're from', getting out of the house for a few beers, and the company of your friends and family.

A good number of fans would still follow an honest and well-run, transparent team in Coventry, almost irrespective of level in my view. It's that bit our current owners don't get. Frankly speaking, we all equally know a sustainable club, growing or sustained organically wasn't their ambition. A quick buck via promotion, or freehold for profit seem more their motivation

fernandopartridge · Nov 13, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Why can't football clubs simply operate their expenditure within income?

Then, there'd be no requirement for driving 365-day income. Footballers are paid a sum that's wholly out of kilter with their worth, and when the game they play can't afford to sustain their cost, rather than operate a normal business model, normally sane owners simply crave additional incomes to feed the beast with an insatiable appetite.

Collectively, clubs have to address this problem. Yes, market the hell out if that which you have, maximise those streams and then build a business model that matches income and expenditure in a way that makes sense for the long term of the business, yet community asset football clubs are

The problem is that collectivism is impossible in the two tier football structure in Britain (it's three tier if you include the European 'elite'). Clubs just aren't on an even footing, the Champions League clubs individually have access to domestic and European TV money that is worth more to than the TV money that goes to the whole of League 1.

The sort of reforms they made in Germany would help, but when the country is remotely governed by an Australian with a major interest in televised football, we'll get nowhere.

Football was sold out by the founders of Premier League, ashamedly Coventry City were one of those founders.

torchomatic · Nov 13, 2013

It's scary and weird to think how different football is now compared to our pretty recent past.

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
I'm sure you're correct. It's been a wholly unsustainable model for ages, and rather than address this we've let it spiral out of control. To an extent it comes down to honesty and sense from owners too. If a model similar to Crewe's is what they're after, that's fine. Just articulate it.

Too many owners think it's all about success. For some fans, it is. For others, it's about participation in something that's associated with 'where you're from', getting out of the house for a few beers, and the company of your friends and family.

A good number of fans would still follow an honest and well-run, transparent team in Coventry, almost irrespective of level in my view. It's that bit our current owners don't get. Frankly speaking, we all equally know a sustainable club, growing or sustained organically wasn't their ambition. A quick buck via promotion, or freehold for profit seem more their motivation

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Nov 13, 2013

I'm currently in Germany, Torchy; and the 'running' of our clubs compared to that the model that works in Germany of late has been quite a topic of conversation over the weissbier in recent evenings. Hence the high-horse being saddled up ;-)

bigfatronssba · Nov 13, 2013

torchomatic said:
True. Sky and abolishing the maximum wage have ruined our game. To be fair, I'm sure Jimmy didn't realise the consequences of his actions would have.

Even Jimmy admitted he never intended it to go this far.

Jack Griffin · Nov 13, 2013

There are all sorts of problems in footie
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/jul/01/money-laundering-football-anti-corruption

skybluetony176 · Nov 13, 2013

Jack Griffin said:
There are all sorts of problems in footie
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/jul/01/money-laundering-football-anti-corruption

doesn't surprise me. in a lot of cases i think fit and proper just means haven't been caught yet.

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