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Match Thread Hull (A) Friday 15th September (1 Viewer)

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Finham

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,121
covcity4life said:
Which is the coffee and TV album. That was my fav of theirs

Oasis always better though
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Great song and good video too!
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,122
BlueSkiesForever said:
I would have loved to have seen Simms come on for Godden and then Wright and Simms playing together for a change. Didn’t feel any of our strikers were good today so probably a chance to take Godden off and try the “dreaded” Simms/Wright combo.
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Agree. I would like to see Wright and Simms up front.

at the moment though, both players are a waste of money. That’s the brutal assessment
 
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Jamesimus

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  • Sep 15, 2023
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A lot of posters routinely breaking the SBT forum policy "do NOT mention former players". I see you all, I will be messaging admin to get you all banned.
 

BlueSkiesForever

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,124
pusbccfc said:
Godden up top is the stuff of nightmares. He was anonymous for most of the game tonight. When he did get the ball he either slowed the ball down or couldn't control the ball.

We need to go one up top but definitely not Godden.
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Yeah exactly, no pace or real control, not that any of our strikers were on it today it seems but don’t think Godden has the pace for bursting through defences as a lone striker. I’ve no idea what we try going forward though, each one of our strikers seems to have some sort of weakness.
 
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Macca

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,125
BlueSkiesForever said:
I would have loved to have seen Simms come on for Godden and then Wright and Simms playing together for a change. Didn’t feel any of our strikers were good today so probably a chance to take Godden off and try the “dreaded” Simms/Wright combo.
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I think that at least for a while, given we’ve spunked 11 million on them they need to start just in case we are wrong
 
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fatso

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,126
pusbccfc said:
Godden has been missing chances for a while. At Leicester he was missing them for fun.
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Did you see Simms miss the chance of the game?
 

fatso

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,127
Jamesimus said:
How likely do you think it is, after signing both Simms and Wright just this summer, that we will be offloading them in January?
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Unlikely. But that's because they've been unbelievably shite, and no other mugs will pay anything like what we have.
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,128
being realistic, the whole squad and therefore, the whole team, is disjointed. Lots of young, flair players, with little experience of the Championship. Robins has to work to make the players fit his system.
equally worrying, this is a tough Championship and at the moment, we are well off the pace.
relegation shouldnt be a worry though.
 

Gint11

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,129
Kelly was brilliant tonight for me. MVE and Da Silva look great. We tired on 70-75 and Hull were pushing. They're a good team and that’s a cracking stadium. A good, entertaining game. Feels like a loss but that’s a good point.

Wright was woeful. Didnt look that bothered. Balls would go past him and there was no endeavour to get it or hassle.

I thought our passing was quite slick tonight and although both Kelly and Eccles tried long range shots, we don’t shoot much as a team do we?

I said it at the time but the Wright miss at 0-1 has cost us. The one he flashed over the bar.
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,130
fatso said:
Did you see Simms miss the chance of the game?
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That was no worse than Godden putting it wide from a few yards out.
 
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fatso

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,131
Macca said:
I think that at least for a while, given we’ve spunked 11 million on them they need to start just in case we are wrong
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I'd play Sakamoto and Allen upfront before trying Wright and Simms.

At least we know Sakamoto and Allen can play football.
 
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Seaside-Skyblue

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,132
Macca said:
Not rocket science. Simms has history of doing it in the Championshp. Wright played in a pub league. Therefore I have more confidence in Simms turning it around. I.e my initial po
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Macca said:
Simms is a proven goal scorer in this league.
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fatso said:
I can only judge on what I've seen so far, and alarm bells have been ringing for a few games now.

How long are we going to give him before it's OK to make a judgement?

I get no pleasure in saying it, but I'm worried we've bought a dud.

Gyokeres took quite a few games to get off the mark, Mcnulty was the same, but both certainly showed signs of having qualities. Simms has offered absolutely fuck all, and Wright's not much better.
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Simms wasn't a gamble, he has done it at this level already. Everyone else got a tune out of him. What was possibly a gamble is if we are not playing a system to suit him or thought we could shoe horn him into one then that's probably a misalignment between coaching staff and what the recruitment team have gone out looking for.

This was a new recruitment team thrown together quite quickly, did they know what they were looking for or just picking out players they've scouted for other teams they worked for with different styles? Who knows.
 
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fatso

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,133
pusbccfc said:
That was no worse than Godden putting it wide from a few yards out.
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Godden had a poor game against Leicester that's for sure. But Simms is just a poor player.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,134
I thought we were superb tonight in most areas MVW is coming good now, in fact most of our guys looked superb until the ball went up to our multi million pound striker. It’s been said before by others I know but FFS ……both Simms and Wright look bang average at this level. They’re making Godden look un droppable
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,135
Seaside-Skyblue said:
Simms wasn't a gamble, he has done it at this level already. Everyone else got a tune out of him. What was possibly a gamble is if we are not playing a system to suit him or thought we could shoe horn him into one then that's probably a misalignment between coaching staff and what the recruitment team have gone out looking for.
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I think that’s pretty astute.

But I maintain my original assessment: we spent too much on Simms. It was a transfer based on a kid in a sweet shop with too much money to waste.

I have similar concerns about Wright
 
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Finham

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,136
Seaside-Skyblue said:
Simms wasn't a gamble, he has done it at this level already. Everyone else got a tune out of him. What was possibly a gamble is if we are not playing a system to suit him or thought we could shoe horn him into one then that's probably a misalignment between coaching staff and what the recruitment team have gone out looking for.
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Didn't someone write that he plays off the left wing cutting in? In which case, why not try:

------------------Godden-----------
Simms--------------------------------Sakamoto

Then we get Sakamoto in too!
 
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Macca

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,137
fatso said:
Godden had a poor game against Leicester that's for sure. But Simms is just a poor player.
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Simms is not a poor player. He’s done it elsewhere. Wright may well be
 
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fatso

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,138
Macca said:
Not rocket science. Simms has history of doing it in the Championshp. Wright played in a pub league. Therefore I have more confidence in Simms turning it around. I.e my initial point
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Simms had a little purple patch of 7 goals in 17 matches at this level, and 1 goal in 11 matches in the Premier league.

It's actually a myth that he's proven in the championship.

Much the same as Mcnulty who had a good half a season in his entire career.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,139
fatso said:
Godden had a poor game against Leicester that's for sure. But Simms is just a poor player.
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His record says he’s not. But unless he has a Vik style turnaround I’ve no idea how he’s got his record.
 

Finham

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,140
fatso said:
Simms had a little purple patch of 7 goals in 17 matches at this level, and 1 goal in 11 matches in the Premier league.

It's actually a myth that he's proven in the championship.

Much the same as Mcnulty who had a good half a season in his entire career.
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I'd say that is reasonably proven. You can't dismiss it as a fluke yet.

The problem is how on earth we get the best out of him, plus his price tag-that's a lot of pressure and both strikers look perpetually concerned.
 

fatso

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,141
Macca said:
Simms is not a poor player. He’s done it elsewhere. Wright may well be
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No he hasn't!
He scored 7 goals in a loan spell at Sunderland where they played everything through him. Other than that he's done fuck all.

Like McNulty at every club other than here for 6 months.
 
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Seaside-Skyblue

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,142
DrPoolittle said:
I think that’s pretty astute.

But I maintain my original assessment: we spent too much on Simms. It was a transfer based on a kid in a sweet shop with too much money to waste.

I have similar concerns about Wright
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Its fair to challenge the fee, I'm with you, it's £3.5m and up to £8m I think with add ons? If we trigger those add ons (I think one being promotion) then it was probably worth the £8m we may end up paying.

I think as a club / fan base we are still getting used to talking about these sums of money too, it's new territory, but then I look around at transfers fees and these kind of numbers just seem like the norm now for average championship level players.
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Sep 15, 2023
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Can Cov fans accept that we are a mid table side? Ultimately, that’s the problem
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 15, 2023
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Finham said:
I'd say that is reasonably proven. You can't dismiss it as a fluke yet.

The problem is how on earth we get the best out of him, plus his price tag-that's a lot of pressure and both strikers look perpetually concerned.
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You do it by working hard with him on the training ground and motivating him to keep his head up. We genuinely seem to have some fans who have written him off already.

People just never learn.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 15, 2023
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DrPoolittle said:
Can Cov fans accept that we are a mid table side? Ultimately, that’s the problem
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We came within five minutes of beating the form team at their place. We’ve come within 15 of beating probably the best team at their place. We’re not a million miles off. A little more energy and steel and we’d be sitting pretty right now. Those things can come.
 
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Macca

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  • Sep 15, 2023
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fatso said:
No he hasn't!
He scored 7 goals in a loan spell at Sunderland where they played everything through him. Other than that he's done fuck all.

Like McNulty at every club other than here for 6 months.
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21 goals in 67 games before us as a young man not playing every week is not the Kevin Drinkell you are painting
 

Marty

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,147
fatso said:
Simms had a little purple patch of 7 goals in 17 matches at this level, and 1 goal in 11 matches in the Premier league.

It's actually a myth that he's proven in the championship.

Much the same as Mcnulty who had a good half a season in his entire career.
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You're right, he had Jack Clarke and Diallo playing behind him, in a very attacking Tony Mowbray side, he was always going to score in that team. In our side, be lucky to hit 5 goals this season.
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,148
Marty said:
You're right, he had Jack Clarke and Diallo playing behind him, in a very attacking Tony Mowbray side, he was always going to score in that team. In our side, be lucky to hit 5 goals this season.
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Or hit anything at all
 
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fatso

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,149
shmmeee said:
His record says he’s not. But unless he has a Vik style turnaround I’ve no idea how he’s got his record.
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He had a 17 game spell at Sunderland (7 goals) that has influenced everyone's opinion of him, the reality is he's a poor footballer.

If you look at Mark McNulty and judge him on 5 months here, he'd be world class, but the reality is he's failed everywhere else. My biggest fear is that Simms isn't a good striker and we've pissed money up the wall.
 

Finham

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,150
fatso said:
He had a 17 game spell at Sunderland (7 goals) that has influenced everyone's opinion of him, the reality is he's a poor footballer.

If you look at Mark McNulty and judge him on 5 months here, he'd be world class, but the reality is he's failed everywhere else. My biggest fear is that Simms isn't a good striker and we've pissed money up the wall.
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I mean, he didn't have long tonight and Hull were chasing the game...he needs a bit more time.
 

fatso

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  • Sep 15, 2023
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Marty said:
You're right, he had Jack Clarke and Diallo playing behind him, in a very attacking Tony Mowbray side, he was always going to score in that team. In our side, be lucky to hit 5 goals this season.
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Agreed.
The issue here is that people on SBT are frightened to admit the blindingly obvious.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,152
fatso said:
Agreed.
The issue here is that people on SBT are frightened to admit the blindingly obvious.
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And what is the blindingly obvious in this case?
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,153
shmmeee said:
We came within five minutes of beating the form team at their place. We’ve come within 15 of beating probably the best team at their place. We’re not a million miles off. A little more energy and steel and we’d be sitting pretty right now. Those things can come.
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This Championship is tough. It’s worth looking at other fans forums. There are at least a dozen clubs who think they are top six contenders. Expectation management is always a factor for morale.
 

skybluecam

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  • Sep 15, 2023
  • #1,154
fatso said:
WTF does that even mean? He's fucking woeful. Wright isn't any better. To be honest I'd start Godden as a lone striker (as hes the best of a piss poor bunch) and play 2 attacking midfielders supporting him.

But tbf, never mind a Hamer replacement, we desperately need 2 strikers in Jan.
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Absolutely clueless you are.

2 strikers in Jan after spending 11 fucking million on 2 strikers in the summer?

Statuesque Godden as a lone striker?
 
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Frostie

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  • Sep 15, 2023
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fatso said:
Agreed.
The issue here is that people on SBT are frightened to admit the blindingly obvious.
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Were his spells at Blackpool & Hearts flukes too?
 
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