shmmeee
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What do you think did?
What?!
Yep and all the other Midlands clubs that i'd barely ever seen mentioned outside of Midlands News started getting promoted just as the big money came in. What a time to be a City fan that was.The clubs had been mismanaged for years prior to our relegation from the PL and we also got relegated at the worst time possible with the collapse of ITV Digital and before the big money came along.
The clubs had been mismanaged for years prior to our relegation from the PL and we also got relegated at the worst time possible with the collapse of ITV Digital and before the big money came along.
What do you think did?
Are people claiming we overspent in the Prem and that caused Sisu to put us into admin twenty years later??
That is true, but the finances of top flight football are such that a promoted club really can spend £100 million on transfers quite safely.It was a chain of events, we wouldn't have needed them to stop us going into admin when they first arrived if we hadn't overspent.
The clubs had been mismanaged for years prior to our relegation from the PL and we also got relegated at the worst time possible with the collapse of ITV Digital and before the big money came along.
That is true, but the finances of top flight football are such that a promoted club really can spend £100 million on transfers quite safely.
It was before parachute payments as well.The clubs had been mismanaged for years prior to our relegation from the PL and we also got relegated at the worst time possible with the collapse of ITV Digital and before the big money came along.
So long as you buy well and don't dish out stupid contracts whilst spending the money.That is true, but the finances of top flight football are such that a promoted club really can spend £100 million on transfers quite safely.
Yep, which will be where relegation release and wage drop clauses would come in.Again, I'm not disputing that, the initial outlay isn't the problem, but that comes with a huge wage bill that can become unsustainable in the event of relegation.
That has to be guarded against.
Yep, which will be where relegation release and wage drop clauses would come in.
It was a chain of events, we wouldn't have needed them to stop us going into admin when they first arrived if we hadn't overspent.
I'd imagine so, but I think there's quite a lot of players, if they're of proven quality, who won't sign up to a wage drop clause, that's where the club have to hold their ground and say no deal then.
QPR, for example, had useless players on over £100k per week and couldn't shift them after being relegated.
I think that’s debatable and “getting a new owner” isn’t actually a football club being destroyed.
No, but it lead to years of misery for us supporters.
I don't think we'll see that scenario again, (the fact we now own the CBS should ensure that), but never say never, which is why I'm guarded against thinking one promotion to the PL means we can start spending like its going out of fashion again.
But you can pick and choose teams to suit what you want to say.Who said out of existence? There's no need to make up a story to try and prove a point.
So you think it's wise to spend 100m plus on players with big wages to go with it and do a Leicester, Sheffield United and others? Many don't. It's a slippery slope we've already been on and has taken us 25 years to recover from. And the luck of buying 2 players for not much and selling them for enough to buy a good squad.
When did we do it in the first place?
the collapse of ITV Digital hit us more than anything and yes we could get another cataclysmic event where say Sky pull out of football but you can’t plan for that stuff.
The fact is even if you think we were doing a Derby or whatever we didn’t go out of existence. We got a crap owner. Lots of clubs get a crap owner without nearly entering admin and lots get a decent owner too.
The risk with your strategy is you do a Luton. You get so used to losing by not trying to stay up that you drop down again and we’re back to square one where staying in the Champ/going up requires an overspend of millions each year and sitting in L1/2 means an albatross of a stadium round your neck. The course to a sustainable CCFC in a 32k stadium goes through being a PL club I’m afraid. There’s no safe option where we sit at this level without losing so much we’re eventually in the same place.
YesAre people claiming we overspent in the Prem and that caused Sisu to put us into admin twenty years later??
Not in the same way as years gone by. Parachute payment teams have a structural advantage as their premiership spending is subsidised for 1-2 seasons post-relegation.The shit show of the last 20 odd years all began with reckless spending.
It's like people haven't learnt a thing.
Staying up would be amazing, but it's not worth risking undoing all the work of the last few years for.
Yoyoing for a few years and gradually building a squad fit for the premiership wouldn't be the worse thing.
Spend a 100 mil and still get relegated and we've potentially got a major problem on our hands.
We obviously won't do a Luton anyway, its just taking it to the extreme to make a point. Pretty sure the summer Luton won the play offs at our expense, we actually spent more on transfers than Luton as a Championship club. The 2 teams that managed to finish below them should be ashamed of themselves and banned from ever entering the Premier League.Lots of talk about Luton. It’s fairly obvious we wouldn’t follow that model. It doesn’t have to be spend nothing or spend 200m. There is a sustainable middle ground. By and large fans have 0 clue about football club finances and you could argue that’s exactly as it should be. What I am fairly certain of is that we can’t spend enough to guarantee prem football. So we’ve got to find the middle ground.
Lots of talk about Luton. It’s fairly obvious we wouldn’t follow that model. It doesn’t have to be spend nothing or spend 200m. There is a sustainable middle ground. By and large fans have 0 clue about football club finances and you could argue that’s exactly as it should be. What I am fairly certain of is that we can’t spend enough to guarantee prem football. So we’ve got to find the middle ground.
Not in the same way as years gone by. Parachute payment teams have a structural advantage as their premiership spending is subsidised for 1-2 seasons post-relegation.
In reality, we've spent £55m over the past 3 summers so it's not really a stretch to bump that up to £100m to stay up in the Prem. Promotion itself is worth about £200m so the club definitely needs to spend money to compete.
What do you define as 'sensible'. Spending £100-120m in a summer window isn't exactly profligate. Look at Ipswich, they went back to back promotions, spent a lot and their squad is now comfortably the strongest in the league. My critique of their transfer policy is that they've created a Championship 'super-team' that probably isn't good enough to stay up but if they get promoted again, they will have another stab at staying up and reinvesting Prem money.Where have I said we don't need to spend money?
Are people claiming we overspent in the Prem and that caused Sisu to put us into admin twenty years later??
We've been through exactly the same pain. Relegated in my final year at school.It feels surreal to be within touching distance of a return to the PL. I was 16 when we were relegated and it had begun to feel as though I’d never see it again in my lifetime.
What do you define as 'sensible'. Spending £100-120m in a summer window isn't exactly profligate. Look at Ipswich, they went back to back promotions, spent a lot and their squad is now comfortably the strongest in the league. My critique of their transfer policy is that they've created a Championship 'super-team' that probably isn't good enough to stay up but if they get promoted again, they will have another stab at staying up and reinvesting Prem money.
You have to willing to sink over £100+ million to stay up this league as a newcomer.
Nobody has said don't spend money. What's been said is spending 100m plus and with the wages that comes with it is a gamble that some are trying to deny.But you can pick and choose teams to suit what you want to say.
Why not choose Sunderland, who have spent a fair bit and are doing well? Forest spent big when they went up and it worked for them that season, even if their owner is a basket case. Or Luton, who didn't and are now in L1?
Fact is if we don't spend money we're definitely coming straight back down as our squad is not good enough. We're then likely to lose our best players that show they might be capable at the higher level and need to rebuild, adding uncertainty and the need for the squad to gel along with the negative mindset from getting beaten regularly.
If we do, we've potentially got a chance of staying up. Sadly, in the modern PL spending £100m isn't really a lot. It might get you four or five decent players or one big name superstar. It's all about HOW you spend that money. Hopefully we'd get it right, but there are obviously no guarantees.
I thought the play off final was ‘the chance’ with two of the best players we’ve had since 2001 in the side. Being in this position is wild, if we don’t do it this season we just never will.It feels surreal to be within touching distance of a return to the PL. I was 16 when we were relegated and it had begun to feel as though I’d never see it again in my lifetime.
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