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How is Aled Williams employed? (1 Viewer)

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SBT

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  • Jan 6, 2025
  • #141
shmmeee said:
Well then you'd have to explain why it went to shit just as Lawrence left. I mean ultimately everything is down to the manager, or ultimately the owner, but it doesn't get us very far.
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Was Lawrence responsible for our defensive organisation? Was Aled Williams the direct replacement for Dennis Lawrence? If we can get answers for those basic questions then we can start to talk, otherwise it's just fan fiction.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 6, 2025
  • #142
Nick said:
Well yeah, there's also the new coaches.

I'm pretty sure it isn't Aled Williams working with the defenders before games on the shape etc for example.
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Yeah, why not get angry at Joe Edwards and Chris Jones instead? Did Lampard bring them in just so they could delegate all defensive responsibilities to the old GK coach?
 

Nick

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  • Jan 6, 2025
  • #143
SBT said:
Yeah, why not get angry at Joe Edwards and Chris Jones instead? Did Lampard bring them in just so they could delegate all defensive responsibilities to the old GK coach?
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It would be a very weird take if Lampard came in and said "no lads, none of you do anything defensive as that's the goalkeeping coach's job"

Let's face it, none of us know what people really do at Ryton and how in depth things are. It's the same as "Rhys Carr was stood with his hands in his pockets".

It's just people trying to lash out for people to blame for the bad form and eventually Robins being sacked.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 6, 2025
  • #144
SBT said:
Yeah, why not get angry at Joe Edwards and Chris Jones instead? Did Lampard bring them in just so they could delegate all defensive responsibilities to the old GK coach?
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There's plenty of anger to go around.
 

Skybluedownunder

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  • Jan 6, 2025
  • #145
fernandopartridge said:
How do you know he's a decent defensive coach?
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Must be not bad to get a job within the England coaching set up


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wingy

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  • Jan 6, 2025
  • #146
Hobo said:
Doesn't say much for Viveash then, he was a centre half.
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????
 

SBAndy

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  • Jan 6, 2025
  • #147
SBT said:
I just want to deal in facts - which coach is responsible for which facet of play? Is Williams solely in charge of all our defensive work? Or does he just work with the defenders? Does he tell Lampard how our team should defend? How is his coaching style different from Dennis Lawrence’s? What part of his coaching regimen is failing?

I’d be genuinely interested to learn the answers to these questions (I assume you can enlighten me). Otherwise it’s just angry fans shouting at a black box.
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As I see it, and this isn’t borne from outright fact just observation, I think Lawrence was a defensive coach less in term of ‘coach of defenders’ and more an ‘out of possession’ coach. The difference in terms of pressing patterns when he came in was very noticeable. Likewise, I get the impression that Viveash was the ‘in possession’ coach.

Since Lawrence moved on, I would also say it’s noticeable how our pressing patterns have largely disappeared. Clearly I don’t know the remit of the new coaches to understand what they are trying to implement, but safe to say it’s not got through yet. As I’ve said in another thread, I think we want to play a high pressing game eventually but the fitness to carry it out is miles off, so we’re making do for the time being.
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 6, 2025
  • #148
Didn't John Dempster get the gig initially, obviously not now.
 

Hobo

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  • Jan 6, 2025
  • #149
wingy said:
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You would expect him to know about defensive coaching, but people are saying we fell apart after Lawrence left? It isn't actually true. We fell apart after the drama of an FA Cup Semi Final (and it was Drama!). Most teams lose form after an FA Cup final defeat.

The loss of Lawrence wasn't our only knowledge of defending. Viveash had plenty of knowledge. Too many fans have easy solutions based on the one dimension of their opinion
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #150
Credit must go to Aled Williams for turning Dovin into a very confident and capable keeper
 
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JSL

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #151
SBT said:
Credit must go to Aled Williams for turning Dovin into a very confident and capable keeper
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He was already that. That's why we invested £1.6m in him
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #152
JSL said:
He was already that. That's why we invested £1.6m in him
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He looks miles better than he did at the start of the season - if Williams is to blame for Collins’ decline then he’s also to blame for Dovin’s improvement.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #153
Maybe the coach formerly employed by Wolves is actually not bad and just had shite keepers to work with.
 

Hobo

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #154
JSL said:
He was already that. That's why we invested £1.6m in him
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He looks better than when he first joined. £1.6m is Chicken feed.
 
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EalingSB

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #155
He was one of the top-rated young keepers in Europe. We’ve got him at a bargain price and he looks very much a player destined for big things. Good on him and those responsible for the recruitment.
 

Incognitocov

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  • Jan 26, 2025
  • #156
EalingSB said:
He was one of the top-rated young keepers in Europe. We’ve got him at a bargain price and he looks very much a player destined for big things. Good on him and those responsible for the recruitment.
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Good recruitment then.
 
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Seymour_East

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  • Jan 26, 2025
  • #157
SBT said:
He looks miles better than he did at the start of the season - if Williams is to blame for Collins’ decline then he’s also to blame for Dovin’s improvement.
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Best to stay off the hard stuff…
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 26, 2025
  • #158
Incredible that when our keepers were bad it was all the coach’s fault. Now that our GK is playing well, “he was always good”.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 26, 2025
  • #159
SBT said:
Incredible that when our keepers were bad it was all the coach’s fault. Now that our GK is playing well, “he was always good”.
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There wasn’t much wrong with Dovin in the first place.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jan 26, 2025
  • #160
I thought he looked decent before but he looks better now so some credit has to go to the keeper coach.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 22, 2025
  • #161
For all the stick he was getting earlier in the season it's only fair to point out the positives too.

Lampard:

"The corner, I will give credit to the set-piece boys because they work really hard for and against, Aled (Williams) and JD (John Dempster), their work is amazing"
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 22, 2025
  • #162
Does Williams get credit for Dovin's improvement?
 
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Potbellypig

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  • Feb 23, 2025
  • #163
PVA said:
For all the stick he was getting earlier in the season it's only fair to point out the positives too.

Lampard:

"The corner, I will give credit to the set-piece boys because they work really hard for and against, Aled (Williams) and JD (John Dempster), their work is amazing"
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So he's the set piece coach, goalkeeper coach and defensive coach? Sounds like it was bollocks all along that he was doing the defensive stuff then.
 
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Jonny

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  • Feb 23, 2025
  • #164
fernandopartridge said:
Does Williams get credit for Dovin's improvement?
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Nope, only time the masses mention him is to criticise. Same with Dr Roberts, see how her name has stopped being mentioned now that we're on a good run?
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 26, 2025
  • #165
Posted this in the Dean Austin thread but may as well discuss it in the proper thread:

I would say the evidence clearly shows that Aled Williams is the best GK coach we've had in years, if not decades. Anyone care to disagree?
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 26, 2025
  • #166
Also I promise I'm not actually Aled Williams
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Feb 26, 2025
  • #167
Songs of Praise should of sacked him after his sexting scandal!
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Feb 26, 2025
  • #168
SBT said:
Posted this in the Dean Austin thread but may as well discuss it in the proper thread:

I would say the evidence clearly shows that Aled Williams is the best GK coach we've had in years, if not decades. Anyone care to disagree?
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Hes absolutely the best GK coach we have had in the last 6 years.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Feb 26, 2025
  • #169
SBT said:
Posted this in the Dean Austin thread but may as well discuss it in the proper thread:

I would say the evidence clearly shows that Aled Williams is the best GK coach we've had in years, if not decades. Anyone care to disagree?
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Dovin is obviously playing brilliantly at the moment. But personally I don't know enough about his play previously to know if this is down to Williams or not.

Offsetting that is that we've had two keepers, in Moore & Collins, who have were both presumably signed to be first choice who deteriorated so much nobody wanted them anywhere near the team. One you could put down to mitigating circumstances but for it to happen twice is highly unusual. Of course we don't know what, if anything, outside of football may have contributed to that so hard to say for sure its Williams fault.
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 26, 2025
  • #170
Sure am glad Alex Williams told Dovin to be good at shot stopping and not bad.
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 26, 2025
  • #171
chiefdave said:
Dovin is obviously playing brilliantly at the moment. But personally I don't know enough about his play previously to know if this is down to Williams or not.

Offsetting that is that we've had two keepers, in Moore & Collins, who have were both presumably signed to be first choice who deteriorated so much nobody wanted them anywhere near the team. One you could put down to mitigating circumstances but for it to happen twice is highly unusual. Of course we don't know what, if anything, outside of football may have contributed to that so hard to say for sure its Williams fault.
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He's been here for 5.5 seasons, we've had two different goalkeepers finish in the Team of the Year in that time period, both of them previously journeymen. We currently have a very promising keeper who's settled in nicely after a somewhat unconvincing start. I don't know which other GK coaches we've had who can say they've done that well?

I know Moore and Collins fell out of form having previously played well, but I think they're playing at a level roughly commensurate with their careers to date.

He's apparently responsible for the set pieces too, and we've been among the best teams in the league with those for the past two seasons.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Feb 26, 2025
  • #172
SBT said:
He's been here for 5.5 seasons, we've had two different goalkeepers finish in the Team of the Year in that time period, both of them previously journeymen. We currently have a very promising keeper who's settled in nicely after a somewhat unconvincing start. I don't know which other GK coaches we've had who can say they've done that well?

I know Moore and Collins fell out of form having previously played well, but I think they're playing at a level roughly commensurate with their careers to date.

He's apparently responsible for the set pieces too, and we've been among the best teams in the league with those for the past two seasons.
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Set pieces is John Dempster isn’t it?
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 26, 2025
  • #173
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Set pieces is John Dempster isn’t it?
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According to Lampard, it’s Dempster and Williams together

https://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/2025/february/22/frank-lampard-preston-north-end-reaction/
 
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JSL

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  • Feb 27, 2025
  • #174
fernandopartridge said:
Does Williams get credit for Dovin's improvement?
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No. He was good as soon as we got him
 

Calista

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  • Feb 27, 2025
  • #175
chiefdave said:
Dovin is obviously playing brilliantly at the moment. But personally I don't know enough about his play previously to know if this is down to Williams or not.

Offsetting that is that we've had two keepers, in Moore & Collins, who have were both presumably signed to be first choice who deteriorated so much nobody wanted them anywhere near the team. One you could put down to mitigating circumstances but for it to happen twice is highly unusual. Of course we don't know what, if anything, outside of football may have contributed to that so hard to say for sure its Williams fault.
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I'm not sure Collins 'deteriorated' - I never really got why people on here seemed to rank him above Wilson in the first place.
 
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