How else can we stop SISU/Fisher ? (1 Viewer)

Voice_of_Reason · Aug 12, 2013

I is obvious that SISU and Fisher don't give a monkeys about the wishes of the supporters.. he is virtually sticking two fingers up to us and protests are like water off a ducks back to him and SISU - one man versus the over 15,000 of us who signed the petition, 7,000 who marched in protest, 8,000 at the Ricoh yesterday and only 800 plus at Sixfields. Bad publicity, media attention, politicians against him and NONE of these things seem to have any influence over him. NOPM he just shrugs off saying they have allowed for this in their budgets.
What else can we do to get rid of this cancer that is destroying/has destroyed OUR club? Everything we have done to date seems to have no effect whatsover, he carries blindly on with his ridiculous plans.
I am at a loss to know what to do. Any legal sensible ideas ?

Davs · Aug 12, 2013

I think we are fucked. As someone said in another post this is all starting to feel very Final.

I am an atheist, but if anyone believes in the power of prayer.......

percy · Aug 12, 2013

Simple answer is don't go and don't spend any money on them.

simple_simon · Aug 12, 2013

If we want to stop him, we should try and talk the few 100s going to Northampton to stop going.

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Voice_of_Reason · Aug 12, 2013

simple_simon said:
If we want to stop him, we should try and talk the few 100s going to Northampton to stop going.

This won't make a scrap of difference I'm afraid, he won't care a toss !

Voice_of_Reason · Aug 12, 2013

percy said:
Simple answer is don't go and don't spend any money on them.

Fisher and SISU won't give a shit I'm afraid.

fernandopartridge · Aug 12, 2013

Voice_of_Reason said:
Fisher and SISU won't give a shit I'm afraid.

Why have you started yet another thread about it then?

Ashdown1 · Aug 12, 2013

We don't give in and trot along to Northampton like good little sheep that's for sure. The guy speaks as if every last Coventry supporter is absolutely stupid and will all fall into line in due course !

lordsummerisle · Aug 12, 2013

I think we should possibly start emailing some people.

Don't think that anybody has tried that tactic yet.

ohitsaidwalker king power · Aug 12, 2013

Rarely can I recall a business so blatantly ignoring its primary customer with such flagrant dismissal of its core obligation.
SISU are sending a very clear m- they just don't care about the football club- reinforcing my view that they only have one interest- acquisition of the Ricoh and associated land.

I would like to think I am one of life's pacifist- happier to jaw, jaw, jaw as opposed to war,war, war- yet despite two remarkable protests by disciplined Coventarian's where a a very clear message was despatched, SISU continue to ignore us their customer-buoyed by the scandalous dereliction of duty of the custodians of our beautiful game the Football League.

I'm as exasperated as you and many are VOR- and have not too many offers of legal protest alternates to offer- maintain the boycott of Sixfield is our primary weapon I suspect, with many associated risks- CCFC extinction being the primary concern. Regrettably I fear a few might take to less legal measures- such as invasions of the playing field like at Crawley, as much as I would normally condone such actions from my pacifists seat- I'd be hard pressed to criticise those that do so faced with such an adversary.

CarpyCov84 · Aug 12, 2013

Kid knapp their families until they sell gets my vote

percy · Aug 12, 2013

Voice_of_Reason said:
Fisher and SISU won't give a shit I'm afraid.

Your probably right but without cash coming in there plan is surely unsustainable in the longer run. They had forecast crowds of anything between 6 and 7 thousand. If no one goes what will or can they do

lifelongcityfan · Aug 12, 2013

I too am getting desperate... agree with what has been said on this thread; it is obvious now (even if it wasnt before) is that sisu are trying to outbluff ACL and will not play at the ricoh until they buckle .
Running at a loss ( for how long though) is not an immediate problem.

Unfortunately the proteste will need to be stepped up in order to get the publicity the cause deserves.
not sure what that is, but i can sesne disorder at some ofteh away games if this continues.

Buster · Aug 12, 2013

simple_simon said:
If we want to stop him, we should try and talk the few 100s going to Northampton to stop going.

No need to do that. 500 fans every fortnight will pay for nothing . SISU have 3 options

a) Sell up and move on .
cant do that because of image (SISU means inner fortitude)
b) Come back to the Ricoh while they build
only an option if your planning to build (Dont think they are)
c) Stay at Northampton while building New Stadium

Option c is the SISU mantra but lets face it ,3 to 5 years losing money by the bucket full ,spending 20 million on a new stadium that will only be marketable with championship or premier clb playing at it and the doubt of getting planning for said stadium in the first place means that sisu are on a very sticky wicket .With all the bad taste in peoples mouths that will continue to linger after
and if the stadium is built , many fans like myself will refuse to go . a poor team through lack of investment--- No other income of value because theres a far better venue down the road ----- a team tainted by recent history----- oh and a posible pheonix team on the horizon playing at the Ricoh . Nooooobody would invest in that !

Just got to stay strong . Hit them with the protests . Political and media pressure PUSB

I think Preston is our only hope . A deal for part of the Ricoh and a well timed offer to Joy just may do the trick

wantedDOA · Aug 12, 2013

I've said it before on here and it's now down to only two options!!
Option 1. Large high profile pitch invasions or the like. Serious distruptions to the FL programme so the FL cannot ignore us any longer. I for one will now take a banning order for this. This is how serious the situation is!! I truly believe there won't be a CCFC anyway if we don't so not much lost really.
Anyway 300-400 Preston fans invaded the pitch last week without a single banning order being imposed!!

Option 2. Continue to play nice and say goodbye CCFC forever!!

bigfatronssba · Aug 12, 2013

I think the time has come to start planning for a new club. A proper successor, in sky blue with a decent name playing at the Ricoh.

Start planning it now, we can let Fisher know that he has a year to get the club back at the Ricoh, after that as far as we are concerned Coventry City are the new team.

Either he will get them back, or if he refuses to, then the second the new club kicks off he has lost and sisus investment is worthless.

SuperCov · Aug 12, 2013

percy said:
Your probably right but without cash coming in there plan is surely unsustainable in the longer run. They had forecast crowds of anything between 6 and 7 thousand. If no one goes what will or can they do

Liquidate or sell.

Samo · Aug 12, 2013

As I've said before... If we are going to put pressure on SISU, we go after Seppala. Hedge Funds are secretive by nature and so it would seem are thier owners. She hates the limelight, so we point it in her direction. Perhaps a 1/4 or 1/2 page advert in a national newspaper asking simply 'WHO IS JOY SEPPALA?' Or a wanted poster, for theft of a football club, offering a reward for each photo we receive of her.
National newspaper ads cost a lot of money of course but I will pledge £50 for starters. Maybe the Trust could organise a fund?

SIR ERNIE · Aug 12, 2013

How else can we stop SISU/Fisher ?

It can be done.

1. Keep up the NOPM campaign, starve them of income and Optium will fold.
2. Massive campaign on the FL to show that any SISU company must, by the FLs own rules, fail the 'fit and proper owner' test.
3. PH4 passes the fit and proper test with credible offer.

Voice_of_Reason · Aug 12, 2013

I'll pledge £100

Godiva · Aug 12, 2013

I think it's too late.

Sisu have clearly set their minds on building their own stadium.
Some still believe they won't, that it's just a bluff with the aim of getting the Ricoh for nothing. Well that won't happen, and I would be amazed if they really think that could happen. They should know by now that neither the ccc or the Higgs will ever do a deal that will hand over the shares of ACL to sisu (or the club while sisu remain owners).

I read more and more posts saying that there were probably faults on both sides that lead to the current situation, but the reality is that we only want sisu to pay the damages. Various campaigns - no matter their name - calls for having the club at the Ricoh, but even if that happened the next step would be staying away from home matches to starve sisu out. If sisu/Fisher reads this forum, they know that. So going back to the Ricoh will not bring any redemption - they will never be accepted.

So their only chance to recoup some or all of their investment is actually to build a new stadium and in 7-10 years time sell the club and stadium as one viable business.
Having 2000 customers at the sixfields or having 6000 customers at the Ricoh in the interim period does not make any significant difference.

No MP or MEP can change the situation (but they can promote themself trying). The FL and FA can't change the situation (but they may be forced to review their rules and regulations to avoid similar situations). The council can't change the situation (even if they offered to rewind back to the HOT they agreed last year sisu would never go back). Higgs can't change the situation (although PWKH suggested new negotiations were possible if Fisher were replaced ... he didn't suggest he himself were replaced ... so that's not going to happen either).

Then surely the fans can change the situation?
I don't think so. If sisu already have made budgets with next to no customers at the games the next 3-5 years, then what power does the fans have?

I think it's too late.

Samo · Aug 12, 2013

SIR ERNIE said:
How else can we stop SISU/Fisher ?

It can be done.

1. Keep up the NOPM campaign, starve them of income and Optium will fold.
2. Massive campaign on the FL to show that any SISU company must, by the FLs own rules, fail the 'fit and proper owner' test.
3. PH4 passes the fit and proper test with credible offer.

1. They are called Otium (sorry to be pedantic!)
2. They already have the share and the FL will do FA
3. He can't pass any test unless SISU agree to sell the club

SIR ERNIE · Aug 12, 2013

Godiva said:
I think it's too late.

Sisu have clearly set their minds on building their own stadium.
Some still believe they won't, that it's just a bluff with the aim of getting the Ricoh for nothing. Well that won't happen, and I would be amazed if they really think that could happen. They should know by now that neither the ccc or the Higgs will ever do a deal that will hand over the shares of ACL to sisu (or the club while sisu remain owners).

I read more and more posts saying that there were probably faults on both sides that lead to the current situation, but the reality is that we only want sisu to pay the damages. Various campaigns - no matter their name - calls for having the club at the Ricoh, but even if that happened the next step would be staying away from home matches to starve sisu out. If sisu/Fisher reads this forum, they know that. So going back to the Ricoh will not bring any redemption - they will never be accepted.

So their only chance to recoup some or all of their investment is actually to build a new stadium and in 7-10 years time sell the club and stadium as one viable business.
Having 2000 customers at the sixfields or having 6000 customers at the Ricoh in the interim period does not make any significant difference.

No MP or MEP can change the situation (but they can promote themself trying). The FL and FA can't change the situation (but they may be forced to review their rules and regulations to avoid similar situations). The council can't change the situation (even if they offered to back to the HOT they agreed last year sisu would never go back). Higgs can't change the situation (although PWKH suggested new negotiations were possible if Fisher were replaced ... he didn't suggest he himself were replaced ... so that's not going to happen either).

Then surely the fans can change the situation?
I don't think so. If sisu already have made budgets with next to no customers at the games the next 3-5 years, then what power does the fans have?

I think it's too late.

No business can afford to lose money. With next to no income, Otium must fold sooner rather than later.

SIR ERNIE · Aug 12, 2013

Samo said:
1. They are called Otium (sorry to be pedantic!)
2. They already have the share and the FL will do FA
3. He can't pass any test unless SISU agree to sell the club

you missed the point. Sisu won't sell but OTIUM will fold.

lordsummerisle · Aug 12, 2013

Godiva said:
I think it's too late.

Sisu have clearly set their minds on building their own stadium.
Some still believe they won't, that it's just a bluff with the aim of getting the Ricoh for nothing. Well that won't happen, and I would be amazed if they really think that could happen. They should know by now that neither the ccc or the Higgs will ever do a deal that will hand over the shares of ACL to sisu (or the club while sisu remain owners).

I read more and more posts saying that there were probably faults on both sides that lead to the current situation, but the reality is that we only want sisu to pay the damages. Various campaigns - no matter their name - calls for having the club at the Ricoh, but even if that happened the next step would be staying away from home matches to starve sisu out. If sisu/Fisher reads this forum, they know that. So going back to the Ricoh will not bring any redemption - they will never be accepted.

So their only chance to recoup some or all of their investment is actually to build a new stadium and in 7-10 years time sell the club and stadium as one viable business.
Having 2000 customers at the sixfields or having 6000 customers at the Ricoh in the interim period does not make any significant difference.

No MP or MEP can change the situation (but they can promote themself trying). The FL and FA can't change the situation (but they may be forced to review their rules and regulations to avoid similar situations). The council can't change the situation (even if they offered to back to the HOT they agreed last year sisu would never go back). Higgs can't change the situation (although PWKH suggested new negotiations were possible if Fisher were replaced ... he didn't suggest he himself were replaced ... so that's not going to happen either).

Then surely the fans can change the situation?
I don't think so. If sisu already have made budgets with next to no customers at the games the next 3-5 years, then what power does the fans have?

I think it's too late.

My fear is that in the interim, both the club, and The Ricoh will be fucked, and never get to actually owning our own ground anywhere, or even a club.

You're right that they won't pay any attention to anybody, it's the nature of a predatory hedge-fund to behave like they are, that hasn't changed since they were welcomed with open arms by most, particularly the OP.

A bit fatalist I know, but nothing that any of us can do but wait and see what happens, for good or ill.

Any talk of anything else is just pissing and moaning into the wind.

dadgad · Aug 12, 2013

I think if fans were to disrupt matches sufficiently often then this would mean Ccfc being unable t fulfill fixtures.

The club would have to be shut down.

This would mean that a Phoenix club could start without the wreckage of the old club and the current idiots ruining it.

This is a way forward.

Not that I am recommending any law breaking, you understand.

Samo · Aug 12, 2013

SIR ERNIE said:
you missed the point. Sisu won't sell but OTIUM will fold.

And by 'fold' you mean???

Samo · Aug 12, 2013

lordsummerisle said:
My fear is that in the interim, both the club, and The Ricoh will be fucked, and never get to actually owning our own ground anywhere, or even a club.

You're right that they won't pay any attention to anybody, it's the nature of a predatory hedge-fund to behave like they are, that hasn't changed since they were welcomed with open arms by most, particularly the OP.

A bit fatalist I know, but nothing that any of us can do but wait and see what happens, for good or ill.

Any talk of anything else is just pissing and moaning into the wind.

Jesus... I wouldn't want to be beside you in trenches Lord!!!

SIR ERNIE · Aug 12, 2013

I mean... fold

lordsummerisle · Aug 12, 2013

Samo said:
Jesus... I wouldn't want to be beside you in trenches Lord!!!

That's why I was in the RAF, we sent the officers out to fight!

Voice_of_Reason · Aug 12, 2013

I just hope no one writes "SISU OUT" in weed killer on the Sixfields pitch !

quinn1971 · Aug 12, 2013

I hope acl ccc sell the ricoh to sisu.hang on a minute let me explain...with ffp taking effect we would be miles ahead of any team in this league with the income streams from the ricoh...obviously they would have to agree a deal with compass for food and beverage sales but unfortunately as fisher states the club needs to own a ground...as much as I want sisu gone I'd prefer it to be the ricoh than some shed outside coventry. Even in the championship we would compete with the top 6 clubs easily regarding ffp.Then who knows..maybe even prem league....and sisu do finally sell us for a nice little profit, which is the only way sisu will go.so sisu own the ricoh....it couldnt be any worse than whats already happening could it.

ohitsaidwalker king power · Aug 12, 2013

quinn1971 said:
I hope acl ccc sell the ricoh to sisu.hang on a minute let me explain...with ffp taking effect we would be miles ahead of any team in this league with the income streams from the ricoh...obviously they would have to agree a deal with compass for food and beverage sales but unfortunately as fisher states the club needs to own a ground...as much as I want sisu gone I'd prefer it to be the ricoh than some shed outside coventry. Even in the championship we would compete with the top 6 clubs easily regarding ffp.Then who knows..maybe even prem league....and sisu do finally sell us for a nice little profit, which is the only way sisu will go.so sisu own the ricoh....it couldnt be any worse than whats already happening could it.

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bigfatronssba · Aug 12, 2013

quinn1971 said:
I hope acl ccc sell the ricoh to sisu.hang on a minute let me explain...with ffp taking effect we would be miles ahead of any team in this league with the income streams from the ricoh...obviously they would have to agree a deal with compass for food and beverage sales but unfortunately as fisher states the club needs to own a ground...as much as I want sisu gone I'd prefer it to be the ricoh than some shed outside coventry. Even in the championship we would compete with the top 6 clubs easily regarding ffp.Then who knows..maybe even prem league....and sisu do finally sell us for a nice little profit, which is the only way sisu will go.so sisu own the ricoh....it couldnt be any worse than whats already happening could it.

Why does the Club need to own a ground?

I understand why it needs the income streams but that is a different argument completely.

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