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dancers lance

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  • Nov 11, 2016
  • #351
Ashdown said:
Part of the appeal to many I think. He might get another term too if he lives that long with the Democrats touting Chelsea Clinton and Michelle Obama as their next possible representatives.
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I agree, already talk of both of those going for it.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 11, 2016
  • #352
I don't get the whole thing of having relatives of former presidents run.
 

dancers lance

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  • Nov 11, 2016
  • #353
chiefdave said:
I don't get the whole thing of having relatives of former presidents run.
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In American politics nepotism is strictly not allowed, except for family members.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Nov 11, 2016
  • #354
U turn incoming, cross another one off the list. Obamacare is not going to be repealed.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #355
chiefdave said:
U turn incoming, cross another one off the list. Obamacare is not going to be repealed.
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Well it will be replaced or amended though. But yes expect more of this type of thing I would say
 

Otis

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #356
Kingokings204 said:
Well it will be replaced or amended though. But yes expect more of this type of thing I would say
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What, like let some Muslims in and only build half a wall?

Alternative people can have an abortion and he will try and kiss and grope a few less women?
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #357
Otis said:
What, like let some Muslims in and only build half a wall?

Alternative people can have an abortion and he will try and kiss and grope a few less women?
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All politicians do this. To my knowledge he hasn't been called a liar and having a hazy memory of the truth by a high court judge as Clinton has. Check what was happening in 1978 in Arkansas.

The portrayal of him as some Greg Stinson type character is ironic also given clintons manic foreign policy strategy.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #358
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #359
Grendel said:
All politicians do this. To my knowledge he hasn't been called a liar and having a hazy memory of the truth by a high court judge as Clinton has. Check what was happening in 1978 in Arkansas.

The portrayal of him as some Greg Stinson type character is ironic also given clintons manic foreign policy strategy.
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He's in court for fraud soon so watch this space.

I can't think of a US president that didn't have a manic foreign policy.
 
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oakey

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #360
On Brexit, a relative of mine who lives in Coventry voted Leave and genuinely thought it meant we would be out by the end of this year. Also thought we could just walk away and every trade link would carry on as before but without free movement and without EU laws. I think many probably thought it would be pretty simple because they believed the Leave rhetoric that the EU needs our trade more than we need there's and would be eager to do a deal.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #361
Grendel said:
All politicians do this. To my knowledge he hasn't been called a liar and having a hazy memory of the truth by a high court judge as Clinton has. Check what was happening in 1978 in Arkansas.

The portrayal of him as some Greg Stinson type character is ironic also given clintons manic foreign policy strategy.
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That could change next month. Isn't Trump due in court on fraud charges? Wasn't he called a liar in the campaign over the release of his Tax details also when he kept hiding behind the excuse of they're currently being audited so he can't when in actual fact he can release them regardless of whether they're being audited or not?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #362
clint van damme said:
He's in court for fraud soon so watch this space.

I can't think of a US president that didn't have a manic foreign policy.
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My memory is that he avoided a second Iraq war. That's hardly manic. Manic would be to start a second one based on a lie of weapons of mass destruction destabilizing the whole region for decades after a period of relative piece.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #363
oakey said:
On Brexit, a relative of mine who lives in Coventry voted Leave and genuinely thought it meant we would be out by the end of this year. Also thought we could just walk away and every trade link would carry on as before but without free movement and without EU laws. I think many probably thought it would be pretty simple because they believed the Leave rhetoric that the EU needs our trade more than we need there's and would be eager to do a deal.
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If it takes 3 years it will be worth it's weight in gold for generations as long as we maintain reasonable trade relations. I suggest people have a little walk around a French supermarket to see just how much' British' produce they sell.
They in Europe will all want to continue with their market share in the UK. Even when the bigoted politicians of the EU try and shun us, big European business will push them to make deals !
 

oakey

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #364
If you haven't seen "You've been trumped" I recommend it to see the real nature of this man. Bullied everyone who stood in his way with no regret or morals at all.
Apparently the sequel has just been released.

The interesting question is whether a man who is monstrous in many ways has a genuine desire to try to fix some problems for the benefit of everyone. Some bad people do good things. Some good people do bad things.
I fear he will get bored when he sees the complexity of politics and delegate to experienced politicians from the Tea party right of the Republican party. That really scares me. Those people are nuts.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #365
oakey said:
On Brexit, a relative of mine who lives in Coventry voted Leave and genuinely thought it meant we would be out by the end of this year. Also thought we could just walk away and every trade link would carry on as before but without free movement and without EU laws. I think many probably thought it would be pretty simple because they believed the Leave rhetoric that the EU needs our trade more than we need there's and would be eager to do a deal.
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That winds me up. The lies and deceit of the campaign
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #366
Here's a bit on Trump and the legal battles he's facing next month.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-can-us-president-election-stop-a7410756.html
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #367
skybluetony176 said:
Here's a bit on Trump and the legal battles he's facing next month.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-can-us-president-election-stop-a7410756.html
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his charity is also in trouble, (as was/is the Clintons. These people at the 'top' end of society really do think they can do what they want).
 
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Ashdown

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #368
Marine Le Pen..............Next woman in power, the next Brexit, the next Trump !! You can blame mad Merkel for most of this, her irresponsible actions were the catalyst for most of this, she took it all a step too far !
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #369
Ashdown said:
Marine Le Pen..............Next woman in power, the next Brexit, the next Trump !! You can blame mad Merkel for most of this, her irresponsible actions were the catalyst for most of this, she took it all a step too far !
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You are going to blame Merkel for the current melt down and the end of liberals? The irresponsible actions started big time with Blair and Bush and the current problems in the ME date from well before that. Millions of refugees are not there because of Merkel.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #370
Greed, selfishness and fear are to blame I think. Our world is wonderful as are most people in this world
 
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Gazolba

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #371
Say what you like about Trump (and by the way he never said most of the things being quoted on here), his win was a tremendous victory for democracy because he had the entire US establishment against him, even his own Republican party did not want him. He won because of the will of the people in the States that mattered. I think he'll do a very good job. The US has been going down the toilet for years and change is badly needed.
 
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Gazolba

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #372
skybluetony176 said:
Here's a bit on Trump and the legal battles he's facing next month.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-can-us-president-election-stop-a7410756.html
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It's always the same when the establishment gets a result they don't like. They say the system is flawed and we must change it, or the person is somehow ineligible or unsuitable and should be removed by any means possible. There are riots in the streets. The US is turning into one of those third-world countries where election results are never accepted and always challenged or ignored by the powerful elites. Trump won fair and square and he'll be President for his entire term. If you think Trump is flawed, you need to take a serious look at the Clinton's record.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #373
Gazolba said:
It's always the same when the establishment gets a result they don't like. They say the system is flawed and we must change it, or the person is somehow ineligible or unsuitable and should be removed by any means possible. There are riots in the streets. The US is turning into one of those third-world countries where election results are never accepted and always challenged or ignored by the powerful elites. Trump won fair and square and he'll be President for his entire term. If you think Trump is flawed, you need to take a serious look at the Clinton's record.
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Like when Arafat was democratically elected in Palestine?
 
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Ashdown

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #374
I have to agree it's nice all round to see the Liberal establishment get a good slap. You see, the very same clique that dictate to us ordinary folk what we should do/accept/like/embrace don't ultimately pay for the side consequences and sheer cost. Their kids go to private schools, they have private healthcare, they run large firms and can exploit cheap labour, they live in salubrious areas away from higher levels of crime. It's the squeezed middle that carries the can for all of it, it's their tax receipts that pay the cost and their lives downgraded by the pressures on services and wages. This mass of economic migration is short term gain for those greedy cretins against long term cut backs and degradation for joe public.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #375
Ashdown said:
Their kids go to private schools, they have private healthcare, they run large firms and can exploit cheap labour, they live in salubrious areas away from higher levels of crime.
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You're talking Trump, right?
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #376
Ashdown said:
I have to agree it's nice all round to see the Liberal establishment get a good slap. You see, the very same clique that dictate to us ordinary folk what we should do/accept/like/embrace don't ultimately pay for the side consequences and sheer cost. Their kids go to private schools, they have private healthcare, they run large firms and can exploit cheap labour, they live in salubrious areas away from higher levels of crime. It's the squeezed middle that carries the can for all of it, it's their tax receipts that pay the cost and their lives downgraded by the pressures on services and wages. This mass of economic migration is short term gain for those greedy cretins against long term cut backs and degradation for joe public.
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you enjoying the increase in hate crimes both sides of the pond as well?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #377
Deleted member 5849 said:
You're talking Trump, right?
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he's the anti establishment choice:banghead:
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #378
Gazolba said:
Say what you like about Trump (and by the way he never said most of the things being quoted on here), his win was a tremendous victory for democracy because he had the entire US establishment against him, even his own Republican party did not want him. He won because of the will of the people in the States that mattered. I think he'll do a very good job. The US has been going down the toilet for years and change is badly needed.
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Clinton won the popular vote, but not the presidency. I wouldn't call it a resounding victory for democracy.
 

ccfc92

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  • Nov 12, 2016
  • #379
Out of the two, I preferred it if Trump won, mainly due to that sneaky, corrupt woman running against him. If it was Obama vs Trump, I'd have preferred Obama.

I do love the responses to Brexit and the Election though

"I'm a democratic person and believe in freedom of speech, democracy and free will etc"

Vote goes against Remain and Clinton....

"Appeal, strike, riot, argghhhh" "We didn't vote leave" "We didn't vote Trump" "Argggghhhh"

 
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martcov

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  • Nov 13, 2016
  • #380
ccfc92 said:
Out of the two, I preferred it if Trump won, mainly due to that sneaky, corrupt woman running against him. If it was Obama vs Trump, I'd have preferred Obama.

I do love the responses to Brexit and the Election though

"I'm a democratic person and believe in freedom of speech, democracy and free will etc"

Vote goes against Remain and Clinton....

"Appeal, strike, riot, argghhhh" "We didn't vote leave" "We didn't vote Trump" "Argggghhhh"

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May is appealing against the high court decision. Farage is calling people to march to the Supreme Court on the day of the appeal saying that people are angry and things might happen... no one is denying that leave was won by a small minority of the popular vote, and no one is denying that Hillary won the popular vote by a small majority... but Trump won the presidency- which no one is denying. I agree on "Argggghhhh"
 

ccfc92

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  • Nov 13, 2016
  • #381
martcov said:
May is appealing against the high court decision. Farage is calling people to march to the Supreme Court on the day of the appeal saying that people are angry and things might happen... no one is denying that leave was won by a small minority of the popular vote, and no one is denying that Hillary won the popular vote by a small majority... but Trump won the presidency- which no one is denying. I agree on "Argggghhhh"
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How did the High Court decision come about?
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 13, 2016
  • #382
martcov said:
Clinton won the popular vote, but not the presidency. I wouldn't call it a resounding victory for democracy.
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Didn't Obama lose the popular vote? Of course it's democracy. It's separate states voting with seats in each state relating to population in that state.

Actually he didn't I checked - but 5 have. In the the uk it's not uncommon either but it's silly to cry foul all the time when results don't go your way.
 
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ccfc92

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  • Nov 13, 2016
  • #383
Grendel said:
Didn't Obama lose the popular vote? Of course it's democracy. It's separate states voting with seats in each state relating to population in that state.
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If Remain won, and Clinton won, I believe there wouldn't be much noise about the small margin of "victory". It would be put to bed, and that's that.
 

ccfc92

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  • Nov 13, 2016
  • #384
Grendel said:
Didn't Obama lose the popular vote? Of course it's democracy. It's separate states voting with seats in each state relating to population in that state.

Actually he didn't I checked - but 5 have. In the the uk it's not uncommon either but it's silly to cry foul all the time when results don't go your way.
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An additional like to this, see my post Mart replied to.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 13, 2016
  • #385
ccfc92 said:
If Remain won, and Clinton won, I believe there wouldn't be much noise about the small margin of "victory". It would be put to bed, and that's that.
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Also the republicans won both houses so it would be absurd to have Clinton as a lame duck president.
 
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