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  • Start date Mar 26, 2014
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Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #456
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
That insinuates it could be thrown out. Is that how I should be reading this?
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It does sound like he has a good idea already doesn't it?
 

GaryPendrysEyes

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #457
mark82 said:
Surely what we should all want is for the truth to come out? I don't get all this wanting Higgs to win or sisu to win nonsense. I want to know what has been happening at my football club.
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I was pulling his chain fella.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #458
mark82 said:
My problem is that everyone states that if Sisu win this will be the case. Not necessarily so. Would much rather see the evidence before forming an opinion.
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To be honest, whatever way this and the JR go, it'll do nothing. We've already seen in this thread one tweet taken as evidence for both sides.

It's all just a sideshow. You can't go around chasing after every but of evidence. For most it's not a legal issue, but a moral one and you won't win that with a piece of evidence.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #459
Can a decision be made without all of the evidence? What happens if one side has a deal breaking bit of evidence?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #460
bigfatronssba said:
Its all about motives.

That statement doesn't say their motive for lending the money was to force a club sale, it just says what might be an outcome of it.

For the council to lend the money with the intention of getting rid of sisu is illegal.

For the council to lend money that might have a knock on effect to sisu isn't illegal.

For the council to have a preferred owner of the football club isn't illegal.
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Yes, I've said that in my post if you read it properly.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #461
Nick said:
Can a decision be made without all of the evidence? What happens if one side has a deal breaking bit of evidence?
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Then they probably shouldn't have mentioned that before now!
 

GaryPendrysEyes

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #462
Nick said:
Can a decision be made without all of the evidence? What happens if one side has a deal breaking bit of evidence?
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Are we talking about the primary case (Higgs) or counter case (Sisu) or both???
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #463
chiefdave said:
Then they probably shouldn't have mentioned that before now!
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What if they haven't had chance? I'm not saying they have,.just asking how it works
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #464
mark82 said:
In a perfect world we'd all love that. In the real world it would depend how you went about it. Guess that is what the JR is to decide.
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Yeah, like I say in the "real" world, clubs aren't anything to do with us and we're just customers.

I think the thing that galls people the most about all this is that being so harshly revealed.

Whatever happens, I hope we have a discussion as a country about what clubs are and how to avoid this kind of thing again.
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #465
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC agrees there's a 'tit for tat element' to this case. Judge points out Higgs is limited at £29k but "sky is the limit" for Sisu
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #466
Nick said:
What if they haven't had chance? I'm not saying they have,.just asking how it works
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Both sides have had to lay out the basis of their arguement over the last few hours. If you had something that was going to blow the whole case out of the water you'd mention it as early as possible so you could get it all over and done with.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #467
Nick said:
It's the same both ways though isn't it?
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It is indeed.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #468
AFCCOVENTRY said:
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC agrees there's a 'tit for tat element' to this case. Judge points out Higgs is limited at £29k but "sky is the limit" for Sisu
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That's not the best arguement to make in court is it??? If that's the best their squad of legal types could come up with Fisher should be a touch worried!
 
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Skybluesquirrel

New Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #469
Nick said:
Can a decision be made without all of the evidence? What happens if one side has a deal breaking bit of evidence?
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If the judge has read the original agreement and interpreted it as a clear declaration that if 'the negotiations end without agreement, SISU pay the legal costs of the charity' then what further evidence do you actually really need?
 

GaryPendrysEyes

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #470
AFCCOVENTRY said:
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC agrees there's a 'tit for tat element' to this case. Judge points out Higgs is limited at £29k but "sky is the limit" for Sisu
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I dont believe it! Some bad press for Sisu coming, as if they give a s&*(
 

spider_ricoh

New Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #471
chiefdave said:
Both sides have had to lay out the basis of their arguement over the last few hours. If you had something that was going to blow the whole case out of the water you'd mention it as early as possible so you could get it all over and done with.
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Maybe.

Or maybe you see how the other side deploy their argument and keep that ace in hand to use it at the moment when it will have maximum damage effect.

I suspect if there really was a smoking gun on either side, we wouldn't be in court - it would have been settled long ago.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #472
Am I the only one that doesn't immediately understand the impact of these tweets, or just the only one not admitting it?
 
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Deleted member 2526

Guest
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #473
AFCCOVENTRY said:
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC agrees there's a 'tit for tat element' to this case. Judge points out Higgs is limited at £29k but "sky is the limit" for Sisu
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Which side's the tit?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #474
So it seems the clause Higgs are claiming under does exist and has a limit (I guess the £29K). Unless there's exemptions written into the clause SISU will be stuffed won't they?
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #475
All about implied terms of an agreement in contract law. Very deep legal stuff ATM
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #476
AFCCOVENTRY said:
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC agrees there's a 'tit for tat element' to this case. Judge points out Higgs is limited at £29k but "sky is the limit" for Sisu
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Is that the most Higgs can win is 29k or lose? Same for SISU, they can win "the sky" or lose "the sky"?
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #477
They keep referring to a case called Belize. The Breaking Bad fan in me finds this amusing
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #478
Rob S said:
All about implied terms of an agreement in contract law. Very deep legal stuff ATM
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Sounds like there Is absolutely nothing in the Clause that supports the argument other than a self percieved nuance?
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #479
Rob S said:
They keep referring to a case called Belize. The Breaking Bad fan in me finds this amusing
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Precedent from a previous case.
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #480
Btw, case won't be thrown out. Judge ruling on if he can decide now based on preliminary arguments only with no witnesses

We find out if it ends today or goes on all week
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #481
Rob S said:
They keep referring to a case called Belize. The Breaking Bad fan in me finds this amusing
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tread lightly.
 

GaryPendrysEyes

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #482
Rob S said:
Btw, case won't be thrown out. Judge ruling on if he can decide now based on preliminary arguments only with no witnesses

We find out if it ends today or goes on all week
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Are we just talking about the Sisu counter case, or the primary Higgs case- or both?
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #483
wingy said:
Precedent from a previous case.
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Yes. Lots of legal people passing things around and rummaging thru files.

I can see the mythical 4000+ pages of emails
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #484
GaryPendrysEyes said:
Are we just talking about the Sisu counter case, or the primary Higgs case- or both?
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Both I would assume as you would rule one way or the other.
 
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Monners

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #485
Rob S said:
Yes. Lots of legal people passing things around and rummaging thru files.

I can see the mythical 4000+ pages of emails
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Is it really as exciting as you are making this seem - you should be a script writer Do they wear wigs by the way? (and I don't mean Mr Fisher)
 
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Lorksalordy

New Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #486
Nick said:
Is that the most Higgs can win is 29k or lose? Same for SISU, they can win "the sky" or lose "the sky"?
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If they win the sky we could be in business with the new stadium location confirmation......
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #487
GaryPendrysEyes said:
Are we just talking about the Sisu counter case, or the primary Higgs case- or both?
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Both. If you are sued you have to counter claim to defend otherwise pay up
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #488
Guys - can we keep the mudslinging and personal arguments off this thread please.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #489
Rob S said:
I can see the mythical 4000+ pages of emails
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Reckon half of that is people just replying 'yes' and 'thanks' while leaving the previous mail history tacked on underneath?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2014
  • #490
Thanks whoever cleaned this thread up.
 
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