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Old Warwickshire lad

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,221
Jamesimus said:
Hmm, think he was pretty good straight away, no?
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Pretty good and improved I agree with.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,222
Londonccfcfan said:

Financial revelation emerges on Blackburn Rovers and Coventry City transfer agreement for Dom Hyam

The defender joined for a bigger fee than reported.
footballleagueworld.co.uk
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It definitely wasn’t £2.5 million
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,223
Warwickshire lad said:
Think we are looking at McNally through sky blue tinted glasses.
He was good yea,but not that good when he first came.
Plenty of mistakes in him at the start. We improved him and he was becoming a good prospect by the end of the season.He has a lot of improving to do.
Personally I think Burnley paid too much for him.
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We kept two clean sheets in his first two games
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,224
Grendel said:
It was a one off payment of around £1.8 million
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Was it £1.8m then £700k in add ons?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,225
Balli001 said:
They paid 2 and he now has half a season championship experience.
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They paid £1.6 and he couldn’t get in the team. Come on release your inner Doug negotiator.
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,226
Skyblueweeman said:
Was it £1.8m then £700k in add ons?
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They are in financial trouble..reckon we could get him back with a cheeky £3M bid. We would save on our sell on fee
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,227
Skyblueweeman said:
Was it £1.8m then £700k in add ons?
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No idea about add ons at all but the accounts refer to transfer fees received of £2m which may include the Shipley £200,000 as well
 
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Balli001

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,228
shmmeee said:
They paid £1.6 and he couldn’t get in the team. Come on release your inner Doug negotiator.
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And now has 6 months experience of the championship. I get it you don't rate him that highly. Many fans will disagree
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,229
I know this is the Hamer thread so don't wait to derail it much , but Hyam is a far superior passer of the ball to McNally. It's not even close and the stats show it.

This nonsense about Hyam having poor distribution is an absolute myth, he's one of the best in the league (and McNally is actually one of the worst).

But I love McNally and really hope we can get him back.
 
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Bennettbarnet

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,230
RegTheDonk said:
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If you reckon we'd only get £5M we'd be better off giving him that in wages over a long contract.
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I didn't say he was only worth £5m, I said up until the last 6 months of the season he would have only attracted a fee of ~£5m but his performances in the last few months have elevated his value much higher.

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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,231
PVA said:
I know this is the Hamer thread so don't wait to derail it much , but Hyam is a far superior passer of the ball to McNally. It's not even close and the stats show it.

This nonsense about Hyam having poor distribution is an absolute myth, he's one of the best in the league (and McNally is actually one of the worst).

But I love McNally and really hope we can get him back.
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The stats will show he completed a pass but as @Esoterica pointed out it was often behind the player receiving it which often broke any momentum we had

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PVA

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,232
fernandopartridge said:
The stats will show he completed a pass but as @Esoterica pointed out it was often behind the player receiving it which often broke any momentum we had

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I'm sorry but that's just anecdotal nonsense.

Statistically he is one of the best passing centre backs in the division, that's just a fact.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,233
PVA said:
I'm sorry but that's just anecdotal nonsense.

Statistically he is one of the best passing centre backs in the division, that's just a fact.
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I know watching matches is alien to you

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Balli001

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,234
PVA said:
I'm sorry but that's just anecdotal nonsense.

Statistically he is one of the best passing centre backs in the division, that's just a fact.
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Using our eyes is generally a better guide than pointless stats
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,235
fernandopartridge said:
I know watching matches is alien to you

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I've watched as many matches as anyone in the last 5 years but OK.

He completed over 2000 passes last season with a success rate of 90%. But yeah I bet a good 1500 of those were behind the man. Absolute fucking rubbish
 
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Balli001

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,236
PVA said:
I've watched as many matches as anyone in the last 5 years but OK.

He completed over 2000 passes last season with a success rate of 90%. But yeah I bet a good 1500 of those were behind the man. Absolute fucking rubbish
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Passing along the back line to a team mate would be successful....
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,237
Balli001 said:
Using our eyes is generally a better guide than pointless stats
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Saying 'he often plays the ball behind is man' is utterly subjective.

Actual statistics are factual.

Of course this forum would disagree with stone cold facts. Of course.
 
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Balli001

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,238
PVA said:
Saying 'he often plays the ball behind is man' is utterly subjective.

Actual statistics are factual.

Of course this forum would disagree with stone cold facts. Of course.
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No we just do the old fashioned thing of using our eyes and making our own minds up. Try it sometime
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,239
Balli001 said:
Passing along the back line to a team mate would be successful....
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Well he ranks top 10% for forward passes and top 5% for accurate long passes.

Try again.
 

Bennettbarnet

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,240
Balli001 said:
Using our eyes is generally a better guide than pointless stats
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I'm sure Billy Bean would agree

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Balli001

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,241
PVA said:
Well he ranks top 10% for forward passes and top 5% for accurate long passes.

Try again.
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Do you actually watch matches or sit there creaming yourself over stats instead? I know from actually watching him that he isnt the Paolo Maldini you make him out to be and no amount of stats will change my mind.
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,242
Balli001 said:
Do you actually watch matches or sit there creaming yourself over stats instead? I know from actually watching him that he isnt the Paolo Maldini you make him out to be and no amount of stats will change my mind.
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You are aware that every single professional club in the world uses stats as a huge part of recruitment, right?

And that many clubs have dedicated stats/data departments?
 

Balli001

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,243
PVA said:
You are aware that every single professional club in the world uses stats as a huge part of recruitment, right?

And that many clubs have dedicated stats/data departments?
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I am aware yes. I am also aware that scouts actually watch players in person and don't just buy from a database like you would
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,244
Balli001 said:
I am aware yes. I am also aware that scouts actually watch players in person and don't just buy from a database like you would
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I mean they sometimes do exactly that, but carry on thinking it's 1995
 

Mr Panda

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,245
Balli001 said:
No we just do the old fashioned thing of using our eyes and making our own minds up. Try it sometime
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I appreciate this in most circumstance but it's our fans eyes that lead to Ben Sheaf close to being our boo boy.

It's only when people opened their eyes to the statistics that they realised just how important he is.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,246
Balli001 said:
Do you actually watch matches or sit there creaming yourself over stats instead? I know from actually watching him that he isnt the Paolo Maldini you make him out to be and no amount of stats will change my mind.
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He doesn't go to games no unless we actually achieve success and the bandwagon rolls
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,247
Mr Panda said:
I appreciate this in most circumstance but it's our fans eyes that lead to Ben Sheaf close to being our boo boy.

It's only when people opened their eyes to the statistics that they realised just how important he is.
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So we have replaced it seems Franz Beckenbaur for someone who can't pass a ball - I guess our results really went downhill at the point that happened
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,248
Grendel said:
He doesn't go to games no unless we actually achieve success and the bandwagon rolls
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Piss off, not true.

I was a season ticket holder for years, don't go as much as I'd like anymore since starting a family. Not that I have to justify myself to you.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,249
PVA said:
Piss off, not true.

I was a season ticket holder for years, don't go anymore
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thats better
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,250
Grendel said:
I'm an absolute tosser.
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That's better.

See we can all change someone else's quote to say what we want
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,251
Only the football geniuses of SBT could claim the player on the right is a better passer than the one on the left.

Anyway. Back to Hamer.

Please.



 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,252
PVA said:
Saying 'he often plays the ball behind is man' is utterly subjective.

Actual statistics are factual.

Of course this forum would disagree with stone cold facts. Of course.
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That's why scouts watch matches as they clearly could not sign a player on the basis of stats you clown
 
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Jamesimus

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,253
Mr Panda said:
I appreciate this in most circumstance but it's our fans eyes that lead to Ben Sheaf close to being our boo boy.

It's only when people opened their eyes to the statistics that they realised just how important he is.
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I'd say some of that come down to him cutting out the mistakes that ended up with us conceding!
 

usskyblue

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,254
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 19, 2023
  • #3,255
Balli001 said:
And now has 6 months experience of the championship. I get it you don't rate him that highly. Many fans will disagree
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I’ve not said that at all. I think he’s a decent defender. I just don’t think he’s worth £4m up front.
 
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