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long way home

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #176
Couple of u21 games before our next league game. So could be interesting to see who and how they line up. Could see Palmer, Kane and Kelly at some point as all will need minutes in the legs.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #177
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Hey Todd, I know we spent months on end trying to get you out the club, but nobody was interested so…fancy playing in Hamer’s position for a few weeks?
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I think there was one club in for him but they couldn’t afford his wages, which is concerning in itself
 

Gint11

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #178
I like Gus, I genuinely do but he doesn’t play well enough for long enough and his disciplinary record is dog shit and he is inadvertently putting strain on team by missing games.

We can all say it was harsh and a coming together but he needs to wise up and stop giving refs the need to make a decision.

He needs to learn the dark arts of central midfield if this is to improve. I’d also fine him wages. How many straws we on?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #179
Gint11 said:
I like Gus, I genuinely do but he doesn’t play well enough for long enough and his disciplinary record is dog shit and he is inadvertently putting strain on team by missing games.

We can all say it was harsh and a coming together but he needs to wise up and stop giving refs the need to make a decision.

He needs to learn the dark arts of central midfield if this is to improve. I’d also fine him wages. How many straws we on?
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Dropping Hamer for any of the reserve CMs would be the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #180
I haven't paid much attention but did Robins mention the red card or are we appealing it?
 

Frostie

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #181
Nick said:
I haven't paid much attention but did Robins mention the red card or are we appealing it?
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Of course we're not.
Said Hamer "needs to learn" & that his discipline is "absolutely ridiculous"
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #182
Frostie said:
Of course we're not.
Said Hamer "needs to learn" & that his discipline is is "absolutely ridiculous"
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You would hope that as a manager it would be something worked on.
 

Frostie

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #183
Nick said:
You would hope that as a manager it would be something worked on.
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Agree to a point but how much can he do?

I agree with Robins that the last couple of games that... "in fairness to him he has been trying to do the right things in terms of working harder to get behind the ball rather than fouling."
I have always said that's been Hamer's biggest weakness & probably what stops him getting a Prem move. Not even just the yellow cards/fouls part of it but how much he exposes the team. Noticeably improved last couple of games though.

But not really sure what a manager can do about the red mist stuff?
"Hey Gus, next time someone tackles you cleanly, try not to aim 3 kicks at their head in retaliation"?
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #184
Frostie said:
Agree to a point but how much can he do?

I agree with Robins that the last couple of games that... "in fairness to him he has been trying to do the right things in terms of working harder to get behind the ball rather than fouling."
I have always said that's been Hamer's biggest weakness & probably what stops him getting a Prem move. Not even just the yellow cards/fouls part of it but how much he exposes the team. Noticeably improved last couple of games though.

But not really sure what a manager can do about the red mist stuff?
"Hey Gus, next time someone tackles you cleanly, try not to aim 3 kicks at their head in retaliation"?
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All of his red cards and bookings are shit, it's not even as if he takes bookings for the team or smashes their best player in a 50/50.

He is easy to target and play against and generally as a team we don't do much in the way of winding up opposition players like him. We see them get booked and then just stand about nicey nicey.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #185
pusbccfc said:
Yep and I have hit one or two 180s on a dart board. Haven't done it for years.
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He scored more than one or two goals last season. Ridiculous. Class player
 
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long way home

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #186
They spotted him playing as a RWB maybe put him there. Might keep him out of trouble until it all calms down. He is too good not to be involved thats for sure.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #187
I'd rather his wages were spent on two CMs who were more consistent than him. Not a higher peaks but also not as low troughs and disciplinary records that didn't fuck up the small squad we have.

Giving him a bumper contract was a huge mistake in retrospect.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #188
Liquid Gold said:
I'd rather his wages were spent on two CMs who were more consistent than him. Not a higher peaks but also not as low troughs and disciplinary records that didn't fuck up the small squad we have.

Giving him a bumper contract was a huge mistake in retrospect.
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Not taking the offer for him was the biggest mistake of all.
 

rob9872

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #189
Not taking the offer perhaps, but giving the contract wasn't the issue as it increases his worth both to outside sources and on the balance sheet.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #190
You lot all need to stop being so mean.
He got sent off to get the fine and help the club out financially.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #191
Frostie said:
Agree to a point but how much can he do?

I agree with Robins that the last couple of games that... "in fairness to him he has been trying to do the right things in terms of working harder to get behind the ball rather than fouling."
I have always said that's been Hamer's biggest weakness & probably what stops him getting a Prem move. Not even just the yellow cards/fouls part of it but how much he exposes the team. Noticeably improved last couple of games though.

But not really sure what a manager can do about the red mist stuff?
"Hey Gus, next time someone tackles you cleanly, try not to aim 3 kicks at their head in retaliation"?
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To a degree, I think you have to accept the slight insanity now and again as the price you pay for giving him an edge. If you can take the rest down and minimise that, then at least you're just holding your head in your hands a bit less frequently... but he needs that bite for him to play at full throttle.
 
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OldBedrocker

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #192
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Doesn't really excuse Hamer thrashing his legs around-it was naive at best
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True
 

Gint11

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #193
shmmeee said:
Dropping Hamer for any of the reserve CMs would be the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Gint11 said:
I like Gus, I genuinely do but he doesn’t play well enough for long enough and his disciplinary record is dog shit and he is inadvertently putting strain on team by missing games.

We can all say it was harsh and a coming together but he needs to wise up and stop giving refs the need to make a decision.

He needs to learn the dark arts of central midfield if this is to improve. I’d also fine him wages. How many straws we on?
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I didn’t say to drop him. I said I’d fine him.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #194
Gint11 said:
I didn’t say to drop him. I said I’d fine him.
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Apologies you did indeed, I did that internet thing of replying to one person plus a bunch in my head.
 
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Gint11

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #195
shmmeee said:
Apologies you did indeed, I did that internet thing of replying to one person plus a bunch in my head.
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shmmeee said:
Apologies you did indeed, I did that internet thing of replying to one person plus a bunch in my head.
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Strike 1. Anymore and you’re off my Xmas card list!
 
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Frostie

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  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #196
shmmeee said:
Apologies you did indeed, I did that internet thing of replying to one person plus a bunch in my head.
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What's gone on here? You've spotted that you made an error, held your hands up & apologised??
This is the internet, you're supposed to double down & deflect, ya dafty!
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 20, 2022
  • #197
Frostie said:
Agree to a point but how much can he do?

I agree with Robins that the last couple of games that... "in fairness to him he has been trying to do the right things in terms of working harder to get behind the ball rather than fouling."
I have always said that's been Hamer's biggest weakness & probably what stops him getting a Prem move. Not even just the yellow cards/fouls part of it but how much he exposes the team. Noticeably improved last couple of games though.

But not really sure what a manager can do about the red mist stuff?
"Hey Gus, next time someone tackles you cleanly, try not to aim 3 kicks at their head in retaliation"?
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It probably should also be recognised that aggression is an important part of his makeup as well so it can't be tempered too much
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2022
  • #198
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2022
  • #199
long way home said:
Couple of u21 games before our next league game. So could be interesting to see who and how they line up. Could see Palmer, Kane and Kelly at some point as all will need minutes in the legs.
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Maybe even O’hare
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2022
  • #200
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
Maybe even O’hare
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Next is Birmingham away on Monday, should be a stream
 

lord_garrincha

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2022
  • #201
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Next is Birmingham away on Monday, should be a stream
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More likely canals.
 

Greggs

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2022
  • #202
Since he's been here, I reckon we've won more games without him in the side.
 

fatso

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  • Oct 15, 2022
  • #203
Greggs said:
Since he's been here, I reckon we've won more games without him in the side.
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Interesting thought, I'd like to know the stats.
With Eccles playing well today, and O'hare and Kelly back in full training, not to mention Palmer lookin good, I think Hamer is going to have to battle for his place, which hasn't happened before!
 

pusbccfc

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  • Oct 15, 2022
  • #204
Greggs said:
Since he's been here, I reckon we've won more games without him in the side.
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A quick search shows Hamer has a points per game of 1.41 last season.

Higher than Allen (1.34), Sheaf (1.31) and Godden (1.38) for example.
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Oct 15, 2022
  • #205
fatso said:
Interesting thought, I'd like to know the stats.
With Eccles playing well today, and O'hare and Kelly back in full training, not to mention Palmer lookin good, I think Hamer is going to have to battle for his place, which hasn't happened before!
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Which may give him a kick up the arse and will result in him proving his has more ability than all of those above.
 
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lord_garrincha

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  • Oct 15, 2022
  • #206
pusbccfc said:
Which may give him a kick up the arse
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He'll probably try to do that himself if there's no one around him.
 
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junglej13

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2022
  • #207
He's a brilliant player. Does things the others don't. Good to have a few options in that position.
 

lord_garrincha

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2022
  • #208
pusbccfc said:
A quick search shows Hamer has a points per game of 1.41 last season.

Higher than Allen (1.34), Sheaf (1.31) and Godden (1.38) for example.
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Still... He's not at the Chris Whyte level.
 

Greggs

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  • Oct 15, 2022
  • #209
junglej13 said:
He's a brilliant player. Does things the others don't. Good to have a few options in that position.
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probably the only player that goes on the piss in town every weekend, you're right.
 

slowpoke

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2022
  • #210
What’s wrong with that ?
 
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