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  • Start date Jun 25, 2022
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Matt smith

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  • Jun 26, 2022
  • #211
Mon Soleil said:
Interesting mate, would you suggest Liam kelly would be an effective replacement for him? We had our best result of the season with a midfield of sheaf and Kelly
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Don’t be ridiculous

are we seriously comparing Gus to Liam Kelly

kelly has been good for us may I add but come on
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 26, 2022
  • #212
Philosorapter said:
Come on Brighton, taking Elo as a replacement for piece valuation.
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Are you sticking by a graph that puts Ryan Howley, Liam Kelly and Jack Burroughs above Hamer and Sheaf?
 
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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 26, 2022
  • #213
Are you intentionally misreading this, I thought more of you

You of all people should know how this works.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 26, 2022
  • #214
Philosorapter said:
Are you intentionally misreading this, I thought more of you

You of all people should know how this works.
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I do, I just think you have never really shown the chess rating system to be transferable to analysis of individual players. Though if you really must keep up the chess comparison it's like comparing the win rate of opening variations while ignoring that one may have been played thousands fewer times than the other
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 26, 2022
  • #215
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I do, I just think you have never really shown the chess rating system to be transferable to analysis of individual players. Though if you really must keep up the chess comparison it's like comparing the win rate of opening variations while ignoring that one may have been played thousands fewer times than the other
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You are right, I did suggest categories for a player's activity as a companion to the ratings.

There are other ways to show this information, but for me the information has always been on how the ratings travel and how they are interlinked with each other, and not just the end point of a rating with the variation of travel given as well.

It is messy, but it contains information that is not usually shown.

Just can't do it both ways.
 

Greggs

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 26, 2022
  • #216
At the very least it's a 500% return on investment. We only need a few more of them over the next couple of years to enable us to step up to the next level. Good business
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 26, 2022
  • #217
Matt smith said:
Gus is more important to how we play than COH, he’s a different level

but that’s just my opinion

Gus would be a way bigger loss than o hare

controversial but this pivotal COH comments are only because he’s had no competition for 2 seasons so we have to play him
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utterly clueless
 

Briles

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #218
shepardo01 said:
Signed so that it would benefit him and also the club if bids were to come in and he is on a longer/better contract.
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Similar to grealish signing a 5 year deal with villa before the man City bid. I use similar loosely like.
 

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #219
Don't do drugs kids...



 
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hamil99

Facebook User
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #220
Id hate for Hamer to go, but out the 3 he is probably the most acceptable loss to how we play. The energy and work rate of O'Hare and Gyro is integral to our team.
 
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SkyBlueMatt

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #221
shepardo01 said:
Deserves his own thread.

Technically a superb player- in my opinion our best since relegation from the Premier League, including better than some of the players that actually played for us in the top division!
Will be a massive loss!

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I'm not going to give that sh*tty rag any traffic so I don't know what the article actually says but let's be real.

Its the s*n, unless I hear it from more reputable sources. I'm not going to worry too much.

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Briles

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  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #222
Frostie said:
Don't do drugs kids...


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Saying wilshere is a low risk signing is like saying Prince Andrew is a low risk babysitter
 
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skyblue025

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #223
Wiltshire could only be pay as you play for any team signing him surely.
Such a shame he's had so many injuries. So talented when he came through.
 

Matt smith

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #224
fernandopartridge said:
utterly clueless
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In your opinion yes

Read a comment saying being able to run a game isn’t that unique a quality, which is strange

I like o hare but he’s not on the level of Gus yet even though they play different positions
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #225
alexccfc99 said:
Do you really think he’s only going to get ‘pittance’ though

The fact he’s committed himself to a new deal recently puts my mind at rest that he’s obviously had conversations with the club and they have green lighted any targets he may have in mind to replace any of the big 3

Robins is no mug, if these players were being sold from under his feet I genuinely believe he wouldn’t be sticking around yet alone being happy to sign a new contract
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Out of interest, what would you say is market value for him?

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TomRad85

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #226
shmmeee said:
Its got to be the model to sell at their peak and reinvest. That means O’Hare and Hamer off this summer really. As long as we reinvest enough to build the squad quality/potential I won’t be worried.
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Problem is, everyone talks about this 'Brentford' style model, which worked wonderfully for them. Problem is our owners are SISU, they could very easily give the manager next to fuck all from any sale.
Will be interesting to find out actually.

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alexccfc99

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #227
stupot07 said:
Out of interest, what would you say is market value for him?

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For Hamer?

I would say 7/8m is a fair price, I’d drive him down there myself for 10, not a chance anyone is going to pay 15
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #228

Fucking hell. Going on like he's going to die.
 
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #229
Nick said:

Fucking hell. Going on like he's going to die.
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They mispelt Maestro as well
 

Esoterica

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #230
Nick said:

Fucking hell. Going on like he's going to die.
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What a way to go though. MASTROBATING.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #231
That's so embarrassing.
 
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Tommo1993

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #232
It’s Sky Blues Extra, every 10 out of 10 of their posts is embarrassing.
 
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larry_david

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #233
Sick Boy said:
That's so embarrassing.
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It really is. He's been here two seasons of which his ill discipline on the pitch has cost us what, 8-9 games without him due to suspension plus the last 6 games he was on 14 cards so played well within himself when we needed him most. For me he never hit the heights of his early promise and second half of season 1 he was actually quite poor.

But because he's got a catchy song he's a legend
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #234
TomRad85 said:
Problem is, everyone talks about this 'Brentford' style model, which worked wonderfully for them. Problem is our owners are SISU, they could very easily give the manager next to fuck all from any sale.
Will be interesting to find out actually.

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Well then we riot because they’ll have come to the end of their usefulness.
 
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #235
If there is NO reinvestment of the Hamer money (at least 1.3million) then I think we should start the protests against Sisu again, may I recommend Middlesborough Oct 1
 
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Deity

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #236
larry_david said:
It really is. He's been here two seasons of which his ill discipline on the pitch has cost us what, 8-9 games without him due to suspension plus the last 6 games he was on 14 cards so played well within himself when we needed him most. For me he never hit the heights of his early promise and second half of season 1 he was actually quite poor.

But because he's got a catchy song he's a legend
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I could not disagree more. If we sell Hamer he will be a massive player to lose.

let’s not now pretend he’s rubbish because it looks like he might be leaving us.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #237
shmmeee said:
Well then we riot because they’ll have come to the end of their usefulness.
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They came to that end many years ago
 
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Torquay Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #238
larry_david said:
It really is. He's been here two seasons of which his ill discipline on the pitch has cost us what, 8-9 games without him due to suspension plus the last 6 games he was on 14 cards so played well within himself when we needed him most. For me he never hit the heights of his early promise and second half of season 1 he was actually quite poor.

But because he's got a catchy song he's a legend
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Bit harsh. He's a great player and will be a loss. As I've always said. Good players get signed by better teams.
 
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stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #239
Nick said:

Fucking hell. Going on like he's going to die.
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Wow....he is a great player but he isn't Messi.

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larry_david

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #240
Deity said:
I could not disagree more. If we sell Hamer he will be a massive player to lose.

let’s not now pretend he’s rubbish because it looks like he might be leaving us.
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Never said he was rubbish and I don't want him to go but you can't shy away from his outrageous disciplinary record. After his two game ban for ten yellows he got 4 yellows in about 5 games following it! That's insane
 

slowpoke

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #241
TomRad85 said:
Problem is, everyone talks about this 'Brentford' style model, which worked wonderfully for them. Problem is our owners are SISU, they could very easily give the manager next to fuck all from any sale.
Will be interesting to find out actually.

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alexccfc99 said:
For Hamer?

I would say 7/8m is a fair price, I’d drive him down there myself for 10, not a chance anyone is going to pay 15
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£7/8m or even £10m Robins will be lucky to get anywhere near 20% of that for team building we all know that, might get lucky and find a cheap gem, it’s about wages top players command top money our income has gone from a 5k crowd at St Andrews to nearly 20k at CBS we now have I believe 13000 season ticket holders and are now according to our chairman cash flow positive apparently some years ago incomes such as tv money risen too yet it appears we can’t or won’t compete with clubs on similar incomes.
 
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stay_up_skyblues

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  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #242
stupot07 said:
Wow....he is a great player but he isn't Messi.

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I’ll be furious if we don’t retire his shirt.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #243
Deity said:
I could not disagree more. If we sell Hamer he will be a massive player to lose.

let’s not now pretend he’s rubbish because it looks like he might be leaving us.
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I can sort of see what he means. There are people going on like he’s a prime Andrea Pirlo. Massive player to lose, I agree, but again, he’s certainly the easiest to replace.
 
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Deity

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #244
Tommo1993 said:
I can sort of see what he means. There are people going on like he’s a prime Andreas Pirlo. Massive player to lose, I agree, but again, he’s certainly the easiest to replace.
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I personally think we could find a “10” that would add more end product in terms of goals and assists than O’Hare. I love how he helps us in transition but I’m not sure it’s clear cut that Hamer is the easiest to lose.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jun 27, 2022
  • #245
Sick Boy said:
That's so embarrassing.
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Like an incredible level of cringe I can’t believe people do this stuff.

up there with that robins is our king flag
 
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