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PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #491
Tommo1993 said:
Meh. My biggest concern is adding to our difficulties this season. Daft to say no, daft to say yes.
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We will say maybe then
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #492
Evo1883 said:
Nobody wants him gone btw , I just don't know if we can say no to that money

Our highest EVER fee for a player received and in the second tier too
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I don’t want to say no to such a fee either. But I’m unconvinced that at this point in the window and still 5 wins from assured safety that the squad without him is up to the task.

That is unless a replacement has already been found and is willing to sign immediately.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #493
Grendel said:
You are a broken record

No one says he wants to. Maddison didn’t want to go to Norwich
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You’re right, I’ve been pretty consistent on this issue, which apparently can’t be said of every poster.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #494
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I don’t want to say no to such a fee either. But I’m unconvinced that at this point in the window and still 5 wins from assured safety that the squad without him is up to the task.

That is unless a replacement has already been found and is willing to sign immediately.
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If we win today can you honestly see us going down? Wigan have flat lined Cardiff dropping every week and Huddersfield and Blackpool not a lot better
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #495
Grendel said:
If we win today can you honestly see us going down? Wigan have flat lined Cardiff dropping every week and Huddersfield and Blackpool not a lot better
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What if we lose and a £20 million offer comes in the next day?
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #496
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What if we lose and a £20 million offer comes in the next day?
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Clearly more concerning but the reality is we’d still probably take the money

we’ve had o hare and Jones in the relative recent past as well who were looking to be moved on and then ended up injured with zero value. Even then there are 3 other teams in obvious turmoil
 

Tommo1993

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #497
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
We will say maybe then
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Think it’s for the best. Then just don’t pick up the phone again!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #498
Grendel said:
Clearly more concerning but the reality is we’d still probably take the money

we’ve had o hare and Jones in the relative recent past as well who were looking to be moved on and then ended up injured with zero value. Even then there are 3 other teams in obvious turmoil
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You have been up to this point consistent in saying what you think the consequences of selling him or him being otherwise absent would be. Now you’ve changed tack.

Relegation has its own costs too.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #499
Grendel said:
Another bump on a totally dumb philosophy- it’s pretty clear without Gyokeres we are dead certs for the drop. We have to retain him even if it means the end of his contract. Without him I see zero hope of survival
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Grendel

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #500
Interesting

Crystal Palace: Gyokeres would be better than Semenyo

Crystal Palace look set to miss out on Antoine Semenyo this month but Patrick Vieira's side could land an upgrade in Coventry City striker Viktor Gyokeres.
www.footballfancast.com
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #501
SBT said:
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Oh when did i say that?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #502
Grendel said:
Interesting

Crystal Palace: Gyokeres would be better than Semenyo

Crystal Palace look set to miss out on Antoine Semenyo this month but Patrick Vieira's side could land an upgrade in Coventry City striker Viktor Gyokeres.
www.footballfancast.com
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I'd argue Palace is a better fit
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #503
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You have been up to this point consistent in saying what you think the consequences of selling him or him being otherwise absent would be. Now you’ve changed tack.

Relegation has its own costs too.
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Im not changing tack - We have a new owner and you have to assume legitimacy - also as I’ve said it’s a comment on a transfer fee which exceeds what his real value would be
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #504
Grendel said:
Oh when did i say that?
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That was 19 games ago. So you’re saying our situation has completely changed since then? We have 19 games left to play btw.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #505
Grendel said:
Im not changing tack - We have a new owner and you have to assume legitimacy - also as I’ve said it’s a comment on a transfer fee which exceeds what his real value would be
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I mean even your comments from last month and this one are pretty consistent.

Suppose he is sold some time between now and our next game. With Godden and Walker still not fit enough we have a crock from PNE leading the line, Palmer who you don’t rate at all just in behind. Where are the goals coming from?
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #506
SBT said:
That was 19 games ago. So you’re saying our situation has completely changed since then? We have 19 games left to play btw.
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What position were we in then?
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #507
Grendel said:
What position were we in then?
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You already know the answer. I assume you think our form for the rest of the season would be even worse if Gyokeres was sold?
 

Winny the Bish

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #508
If Vik, doesn’t sing a contract extension his value will be so much less in the summer and he goes from an £18m sale to a £7-8m sale.

£18m covers losses for a year + 4-5 first team players.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #509
SBT said:
You already know the answer. I assume you think our form for the rest of the season would be even worse if Gyokeres was sold?
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This is an interesting conundrum

The poster who has been arguing that selling Gyo would lead to a slog against if not actual relegation-but now thinks we’d be fine anyway. Against the poster who has been saying he should be sold since last summer but now is raising question marks over the sale.

It’s like Alien vs Predator
 
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GaryJones

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #510
I can see Everton offering £15-16million plus Simms as part of the deal on top.
That might suit all parties (if Simms wants to come).
 

slowpoke

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #511
But as we stand we have a new 100% owner telling us the newly named ccfc ltd, has no debt and will not be incurring any debt. He will have done his own diligence has said repeatedly there will be no major sales in January. Unless there is an oven ready replacement selling Vik this weekend would go against all his talk, promises and assurance, fans could turn especially if results falter. Of course there’s the what if looking at possible injury etc. but that’s always in the background. Selling now would be potentially risky summer perhaps a different scenerio.
 

Tommo1993

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #512
Love him but he’s not firing Everton out of their serious trouble
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #513
SBT said:
You already know the answer. I assume you think our form for the rest of the season would be even worse if Gyokeres was sold?
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What is the form over the last 10 games of Wigan Blackpool Cardiff Rotherham and Birmingham?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #514
Grendel said:
I don’t think to be fair many are suggesting it - it’s just a hypothetical discussion that a desperate club with a new manager and money from a transfer would pay significantly more than we’d get in the summer (when it seems certain he will go)

I suppose I’m fairly confident of winning today which would put the club 13th with 18 games left and 4 teams who cannot seem to buy a win
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Yeah I don't want to big up today too much, but win today and we've a nice cushion. Lose, of course, and it's a different story, but Robins has shown himself pragmatic enough to be able to grind out results with dross anyway. May not be pretty but, he may not be adaptable during games, but has shown he can be according to circumstance in the season.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #515
Brighton Sky Blue said:
This is an interesting conundrum

The poster who has been arguing that selling Gyo would lead to a slog against if not actual relegation-but now thinks we’d be fine anyway. Against the poster who has been saying he should be sold since last summer but now is raising question marks over the sale.

It’s like Alien vs Predator
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Its more like looking at the weather forecast and realising the rains stopped even though the Met office saying it hasn’t - and again it’s the hypothetical benefit of an above market value that’s being discussed
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #516
Grendel said:
Its more like looking at the weather forecast and realising the rains stopped even though the Met office saying it hasn’t - and again it’s the hypothetical benefit of an above market value that’s being discussed
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You used to be on about the footballing impact-even up to this month. The ownership aspect concerns finances.

5 more wins to get what should be enough to stay up. Do we get that with whoever’s left following a Gyo sale?
 

Tommo1993

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #517
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You used to be on about the footballing impact-even up to this month. The ownership aspect concerns finances.

5 more wins to get what should be enough to stay up. Do we get that with whoever’s left following a Gyo sale?
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Jamie Allen top scorer!

More down to injury tbf.
 

Hobo

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #518
So much work to do at Everton. I cant see Dyche taking a punt on Gyokeres as their get out of jail card? He still has too many rough edges. We have seen for ourselves a couple of centre backs in the Championship have kept him quiet.

His potential is immense. I suspect Brighton will be due a substantial percentage of any fee? But I think 20m or more would be too much for us to say no to.
 

Hobo

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #519
GaryJones said:
I can see Everton offering £15-16million plus Simms as part of the deal on top.
That might suit all parties (if Simms wants to come).
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There lies a big problem. Often with player exchanges a player doesnt want to come (even if they do).
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #520
Hobo said:
So much work to do at Everton. I cant see Dyche taking a punt on Gyokeres as their get out of jail card? He still has too many rough edges. We have seen for ourselves a couple of centre backs in the Championship have kept him quiet.

His potential is immense. I suspect Brighton will be due a substantial per centage of any fee? But I think 20m or more would be too much for us to say no to.
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I reckon vik would do so much work to create the space for DCL in a 442 .. they'd compliment eachother so well .

I personally think vik would do well in the premier league
 

sylus

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #521
we sell vik in this window and don't replace who score the goals maguire, we would be heading for the trap door, it would be a fatal mistake
 
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Great_Expectations

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #522
Everton will offer - we know Dyche is a fan and he suits his style.

Gyokeres going isn’t purely about the goals, replace him with Godden, Walker or anyone with a different style to Vik and we struggle. He single handedly creates opportunities and his mere presence creates space for others. At times we revert to hoofing towards him and hoping he’ll do something.

Without COH behind him the above is even more significant.

However, £15-20mil is a lot of money. Time is running out, but in most clubs you’d have new players lined up ready in anticipation of this. But being Coventry we’ve lost the recruitment team who would be responsible for this, and they haven’t been fully or effectively replaced yet. And we have a new Chair just to complicate it even more.

If he goes we’ll stay up, but I imagine it’ll be more about grinding out results than winning in an attractive and exciting way.

Saying all that, I think he’ll still be here on Feb 1st and ready to head up a late season promotion push…..
 

Hobo

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #523
Evo1883 said:
I reckon vik would do so much work to create the space for DCL in a 442 .. they'd compliment eachother so well .

I personally think vik would do well in the premier league
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Its a huge step up. There has been players who scored for fun in the Championship and looked barely average in the Premier League.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #524
If we get £15m to spend I don’t want to see us dropping £3/4m on a player on big wages. We’ve got 10-12 players to sign in the summer and just Sheaf/Hamer/Vik type signings is more than enough to move us on and not break the bank.
 
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slowpoke

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  • Jan 28, 2023
  • #525
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Hobo said:
So much work to do at Everton. I cant see Dyche taking a punt on Gyokeres as their get out of jail card? He still has too many rough edges. We have seen for ourselves a couple of centre backs in the Championship have kept him quiet.

His potential is immense. I suspect Brighton will be due a substantial percentage of any fee? But I think 20m or more would be too much for us to say no to.
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And the above is another issue, it’s been said Brighton have a percentage in any fee, don’t know if it’s true and if it is how much talk of £15/20million being acceptable today is fine but that could reduce significantly. Brighton are one of the most savvy clubs in the country when it comes to buying and selling players we might be surprised how much percentage they own remember at the time who our owner was and what little budget Robins had to work on.
 
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