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bawtryneal

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,261
The Philosopher said:
Tricky / interesting thing football finance.

Signing on fees, bonuses, insurance, lifestyle clauses, image rights.

In older times star players got % gate fee.

I admit to not knowing too much so I’m going to do a bit of research over the close season whilst there’s no footy on.

We all have hobbies - that’ll be mine for a bit.
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You would not believe the half of it.
It is completely unbelievable and like no other industry/business
Fuelled by greedy agents and incompetent owners trying to reach for the stars.
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,262
Got to be £20m all day for me. £15 would still feel like a give away.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,263
skyblu3sk said:
Got to be £20m all day for me. £15 would still feel like a give away.
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The year on his contract means the balance of power is in his favour rather than ours.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,264
bawtryneal said:
You would not believe the half of it.
It is completely unbelievable and like no other industry/business
Fuelled by greedy agents and incompetent owners trying to reach for the stars.
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No idea why agents are labelled as ruining the game rather than the players. They’re acting on the wishes of the players.
 
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fatso

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,265
Sick Boy said:
No idea why agents are labelled as ruining the game rather than the players. They’re acting on the wishes of the players.
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I doubt if many players could spell their own names without an agent helping them.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,266
skyblu3sk said:
Got to be £20m all day for me. £15 would still feel like a give away.
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He would have stayed but for the pen miss - he said so himself (when asked if he’d stay he replied “if you are in the Premier League” at a fan forum).

It’s if we can get him to give us another year that is the question.

It’s a question of money.

What is the number?

A million quid a week of course he would (this is for illustration of course and ridiculous but follow the point)

£10k week of course he won’t - he’ll see out his contract and sulk (potentially) and wait for a huge sign on fee in 12 months.

How much for him to sign a new contract?

£5m? £10m? (however it’s worked out on sign on v wages is a lesser detail).

What is best for CCFC?

What odds going up if we spend £5m on Yates (or whoever) v keeping Gyok?

£10m - £15m sale is a mistake I think. Speculation on a reasonably good bet is perhaps the better way to accumulate
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,267
Got to sell Vik. Hamer maybe we could keep. Vik would strop at best and is clearly ambitious. But we need cash for a rebuild and Vik is at peak value. Get it done early for a fair price and move on.
 
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Paxman II

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,268
Oh Vik is 100% going to move to the prem. His career depends on it. He won't stick around hoping we can make it up and waste a year, get injured, lose form...any number of things. His value is now. But a good fee and we can find a couple of other gems. Sometimes it turns out a blessing in disguise. Sometimes things turn out better than expected. When we lost O'Hare who would seriously think we would go on a great run of form and make the playoffs? I think Vivash/Roins/King have a plan and that's to strengthen regardless of Vik or Gus leaving.
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,269
Sick Boy said:
The year on his contract means the balance of power is in his favour rather than ours.
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Understand that but throw everything at the last year? Keep in mind the healthy sell on fee Brighton will take.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,270
Or MA comes in, hands GH, VK, Ben S etc. bumper contracts….

(Partial wishful satire)

Off piste, no Betting shirt sponsor…

What odds we get Sports Direct all over the front as a makeweight for rent?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,271
Sick Boy said:
No idea why agents are labelled as ruining the game rather than the players. They’re acting on the wishes of the players.
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In this case I don't agree. Sometimes players might do that but I can't see Gyokeres would want to waste a year of his career at his age or lose the massive increase in wages that a move to a Premier League team would bring. Surely he's more ambitious than that.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,272
Being reported that Everton are interested in that lump Weighorst must been keen to go down.
 
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jay2015

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,273
Burley reported want vik again on sky sports pay 20 -25 million then you got him
 
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its a buzzard

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,274
shmmeee said:
Got to sell Vik. Hamer maybe we could keep. Vik would strop at best and is clearly ambitious. But we need cash for a rebuild and Vik is at peak value. Get it done early for a fair price and move on.
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This, all day long.

Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,275
Saying Rangers would be interested, but couldn't afford The £30m we want !

That is a bit much, I'd only be after £29.5m
 

Torquay Sky Blue

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,276
If Rutter is worth 36M .
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,277
Torquay Sky Blue said:
If Rutter is worth 36M .
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If I hadn't read about the Leeds fans chucking his shirt back at him after the last game, I genuinely wouldn't have heard of him.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,278
Torquay Sky Blue said:
If Rutter is worth 36M .
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36m is too deer
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,279
The Philosopher said:
Or MA comes in, hands GH, VK, Ben S etc. bumper contracts….

(Partial wishful satire)

Off piste, no Betting shirt sponsor…

What odds we get Sports Direct all over the front as a makeweight for rent?
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Seriously doubt it would be SD as MA is currently distant from the board (and I guess the business). My bet would be that if they were to provide sponsorship, it'd be more likely the Frasers Group name.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,280
fernandopartridge said:
36m is too deer
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Not worth that many bucks?
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,281
shmmeee said:
Not worth that many bucks?
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That's too much doe. £15-£20mill is all we'll get if we push hard enough.

And after another thread of bad puns, I'm off to get an Elk-a-Seltzer and a stiff drink.
 
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mmttww

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,282
shmmeee said:
Not worth that many bucks?
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Staggering price.
 
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ccfcchris

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,283


What a load of bollax
 
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Gleneagles65

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,284
He’s worth £20m with plenty of add ons all day long.
 
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Speedies_Chips

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  • Jun 4, 2023
  • #1,285
mmttww said:
Staggering price.
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Worth more than Barry Venison.
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Jun 5, 2023
  • #1,286
We need to get him sold as soon as possible so we can get on with our summer plans.
 
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GIMOC

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  • Jun 5, 2023
  • #1,287
his new agent will want him moved this summer. this summer window is the last chance agents can make uncapped commission on transfers. there will be a lot of activity this summer with agents wanting to earn as much as they can before the cap comes into place.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 5, 2023
  • #1,288
SeaSeeEffCee said:
We need to get him sold as soon as possible so we can get on with our summer plans.
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No point in delaying the inevitable unless we're getting more money for Gyokeres. €20m is a good starting point and I expect the Prep teams to muscle Sporting Lisbon out of a deal with ease.

Anything above £20m is a reasonably good deal. The likes of Watkins, Toney and Mitrovic have proven they can make the step up - Gyokeres is next.
 
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long way home

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  • Jun 5, 2023
  • #1,289
I would imagine most things MR has set up will fall into place on the sale of Vik. He is going its just where and what price. I think even some extension will rely on his sale.
 

zuni

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  • Jun 5, 2023
  • #1,290
fatso said:
Yes Geoffrey Robbinson allegedly bought Keane without Strachan knowing.
He was bought by GR as an investment, and then when the big offer came in GR sold him.

For years the fans were asking. "where did the money go" but the truth is there never was any money!!!

Third party player ownership was subsequently made illegal by the football league, but I'm sure it still goes on in some form or another.

Many years ago there was a book published about corruption in football, and there was a whole chapter dedicated to Geoffrey Robinson. Most of it about his dodgy deals surrounding the Justice Taylor report into all seater stadiums following the Hillsborough tragedy.

But in short, GR best mate Mike McGinity (West Brom board member at this time) was given the nod to buy a company that made stadium seating, the company was going bust, so was sold for peanuts.

Now GR was on the panel of the Justice Taylor committee, and new in advance of publication that the committees report was going to recommend that every sporting venue move to all seater status.

Low and behold, after the report was published, who do you think got all the major contracts for the stadium seating?
That's right GR best mate Mike Mcginity,
Who made an absolute mint.

What happened to MM?
Well well well he only left West Brom and ended up on the board of CCFC alongside his best mate GR.

Now I should point out that the story isn't mine, it came from a book who's name escapes me, but I'll try and find out and post it, but I'm sure a forum member will know, and as such the allegation is nothing more than hearsay, as to my knowledge no charges were ever brought.
Feel free to make of this what you want.

Edit, .... the books called "Broken Dreams" by Tom Bower. Its available on Amazon.
You can find it in most good book shops and probably some shit ones too.
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think the book was called paymaster general….very eye opening
 

The Philosopher

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  • Jun 5, 2023
  • #1,291
GIMOC said:
his new agent will want him moved this summer. this summer window is the last chance agents can make uncapped commission on transfers. there will be a lot of activity this summer with agents wanting to earn as much as they can before the cap comes into place.
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If this is the case (and I’ve no idea and no reason not to believe you) then does that include commission on new contract with current club?

Could be an angle.
 

Hutch11

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  • Jun 5, 2023
  • #1,292
jay2015 said:
Burley reported want vik again on sky sports pay 20 -25 million then you got him
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15 mil plus Mcnally and Scott Twine , that'd do me
 
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GIMOC

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  • Jun 5, 2023
  • #1,293
The Philosopher said:
If this is the case (and I’ve no idea and no reason not to believe you) then does that include commission on new contract with current club?

Could be an angle.
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not sure on the technicalities. I was informed the cap comes in place October 1st so all agents trying hardest to get players transfers
 
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worc0257

Member
  • Jun 5, 2023
  • #1,294
Not sure I get this bidding war business. For sure, we get a bit more for Vik if there are six or seven teams after him than if there are two or three, but he's not like a Van Gogh painting, where there are hardly any to start with, there are never going to be any more, and they come up for sale once in a blue moon; he's a striker who's had one very good season in the Championship, who has some premier league assets - pace, strength, dribbling - and lacks others - finishing, heading. Playing with better players, it's easy to imagine him kicking on and scoring fifteen+ Premiership goals; equally, playing against better players, it's easy to imagine him standing still or going backwards, and scoring four or five. I'm sure he is a target for Burnley, West Ham, Everton, etc., but they'll have plenty of others and a value they set on Vik; if they think we want too much, they'll move on to the next on the list. Also, the Van Gogh painting has no no say in whom it's sold to, but Vik definitely does. As we all know, it may suit the club to sell a player to Blackburn Rovers, but if it suits the player better to be sold to Aston Villa instead, Aston Villa is where he's going to go.

Vik has zero incentive to sign any contract we can afford to offer him, and we can't let him go for nothing in a year - every potential buyer knows this. Once Brighton have taken their cut, and the fee has been top sliced to cover operating losses, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there's only £5-6M for Robbins to spend.
 

hill83

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  • Jun 5, 2023
  • #1,295
worc0257 said:
Robbins
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