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Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #141
The house analogy is fucking stupid. It’s like people trying to understand economics by comparing household budgets.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #142
Elvis Pressley said:
How come the 6 mile 'rule' didn't apply when we was at sixfields?
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Because its been made up by Fisher to suit his statements at the time of no option but the Ricoh.
 
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ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #143
Liquid Gold said:
The house analogy is fucking stupid. It’s like people trying to understand economics by comparing household budgets.
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sorry, maybe your right, replace house for stadium
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #144
I think there might be something in the 6 mile thing. The EFL has maybe said in private discussions that they wouldn’t want the club to build a new stadium any further than that from the centre. This has been reported and twisted by various parties to suit their agendas.

It.isnt.a.rule.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #145
mark82 said:
Was going to comment earlier but had to get to a meeting. I was of the same impression as you but I've seen it with my own eyes now. It's ridiculous. I'll try to find some later if I get chance.
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I can only hope whatever it is is poorly worded frustration at wanting rid of Sisu and not a genuine desire to see us kicked out. But I’ll take your word for it if I’m wrong.

Personally I see two routes out for them: they get the Ricoh somehow and push to make us at least a Championship club before sale. Or they lose and wind the club up to extract any value in Ryton and the rest. At which point who knows what happens.

So I’m really hoping anyone thinking we should get kicked out is thinking it because that will means sisu have gone and not the other way around (kicking us out will get rid of Sisu)
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #146
I think Brendan better buy Callum Wilson for mega bucks . and maybe that will reduce Arvo debt to levels which new owners can manage.

Not holding out much hope though.
 
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Steve.B50

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #147
Elvis Pressley said:
How come the 6 mile 'rule' didn't apply when we was at sixfields?
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The only people who have said this 6 mile rule exists are Fisher and Boddy.
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #148
Steve.B50 said:
The only people who have said this 6 mile rule exists are Fisher and Boddy.
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So it must be true then .

 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #149
Liquid Gold said:
The house analogy is fucking stupid. It’s like people trying to understand economics by comparing household budgets.
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It wasn't an analogy at all. It was as logical as. In other words, it was as stupid as, that's all. Maybe you find it difficult to understand something quite simple.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #150
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
It wasn't an analogy at all. It was as logical as. In other words, it was as stupid as, that's all. Maybe you find it difficult to understand something quite simple.
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It's not that simple, it's idiotic.
 
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #151
Terry Gibson's perm said:
I didn’t go to Northampton but would follow the team to most of the grounds named as this time I feel we are being pushed out and if it helped rid the city of the yellow and black filth I would be delighted.
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Well it wouldnt would it, it will just prolong the life of SISU in Cov. FFS, it's so obvious but the propaganda is scary on SBT !
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #152
Why are people massively shocked at the thought of having to play somewhere else?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #153
Ashdown said:
Well it wouldnt would it, it will just prolong the life of SISU in Cov. FFS, it's so obvious but the propaganda is scary on SBT !
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How's that propaganda exactly?
 

Gazolba

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #154
Warwickhunt said:
Nick why are Wasps so worried about SISU legals .? They haven’t done anything wrong have they? <snip>
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It costs money to defend yourself, even if you've done nothing wrong.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #155
ccfcway said:
not defending or having a go at anyone here, but if someone was taking me to court because I bought a house that was for sale on one hand and asking to rent the same house on the other, yer, not happening....
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Another stupid analogy
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #156
Liquid Gold said:
The house analogy is fucking stupid. It’s like people trying to understand economics by comparing household budgets.
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We're in a country where 3 elections have been won with that argument
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #157
Gazolba said:
It costs money to defend yourself, even if you've done nothing wrong.
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Yup that is the point, you don't have to be right just much richer than the defendant, eventually they will cave.
 

Great_Expectations

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #158
I’ve never understood the thought process behind not supporting your team because of the owners.**

**unless said team gets to Wembley.
 
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Warwickhunt

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #159
Gazolba said:
It costs money to defend yourself, even if you've done nothing wrong.
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You get awarded costs
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #160
With this 6 miles business, which apparently only Fisher and Boddy have mentioned but no-one seems to be able to find in the actual EFL rules. So it must have just been a verbal thing between EFL and Fisher. If not, why hasn't Fisher just produced the paperwork proving it has to be within 6 miles? Similarly, why haven't the EFL moved to clarify the position by saying the 6 mile rule definitely does/nt exist?

Could this have been to do with the site of a new stadium, which Fisher used as a means to get the EFL to agree to the Sixfields move, rather than a stadium for us to play in? I'm not really sure the EFL could just add arbitrary terms onto individual clubs that wouldn't apply to others.

If there was nothing written down, you could say you interpreted it as within 6 miles of anywhere named Coventry - Coventry Street, Coventry Road, Coventry Close-
in which case we can use Wembley....
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 4, 2019
  • #161
Warwickhunt said:
You get awarded costs
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They usually don't cover the full costs incurred.
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #162
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
With this 6 miles business, which apparently only Fisher and Boddy have mentioned but no-one seems to be able to find in the actual EFL rules. So it must have just been a verbal thing between EFL and Fisher. If not, why hasn't Fisher just produced the paperwork proving it has to be within 6 miles? Similarly, why haven't the EFL moved to clarify the position by saying the 6 mile rule definitely does/nt exist?

Could this have been to do with the site of a new stadium, which Fisher used as a means to get the EFL to agree to the Sixfields move, rather than a stadium for us to play in? I'm not really sure the EFL could just add arbitrary terms onto individual clubs that wouldn't apply to others.

If there was nothing written down, you could say you interpreted it as within 6 miles of anywhere named Coventry - Coventry Street, Coventry Road, Coventry Close-
in which case we can use Wembley....
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I thought a similar thing. If Boddy and Fisher have effectively publicly lied to suit their own agenda, a section posters on here seem to think that the EFL wouldn’t clarify their own position despite the fact that by stating CCFC are not permitted to play outside of the 6-mile radius, both Fisher and Boddy are misleading the clubs entire fan-base (or trying to anyway). Why would the EFL stand idly by whilst the club publicly involve them in a lie? They’re already considered useless by the majority so from a PR POV they’d have no choice to put a statement out under these circumstances.

Hence why I think there is something to the ‘6-mile radius’ but it probably doesn’t go any further as a verbal warning if anything, as realistically like you said the EFL can’t just start adding rules to suit their own views as what kind of precedent does that set for clubs that are in dire plights in the future?Like you said if it isn’t in writing, it automatically becomes subjective, so it wouldn’t be a surprise if both Bobby and Fisher have twisted whatever has been said, if anything has been said that is.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #163
There probably is something to it, it is probably just being played on....

It is probably something like "ideally it would be within 6 miles".

(I havent seen it, just guessing on how a certain point is being played on)
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #164
JamesCCFC said:
I thought a similar thing. If Boddy and Fisher have effectively publicly lied to suit their own agenda, a section posters on here seem to think that the EFL wouldn’t clarify their own position despite the fact that by stating CCFC are not permitted to play outside of the 6-mile radius, both Fisher and Boddy are misleading the clubs entire fan-base (or trying to anyway). Why would the EFL stand idly by whilst the club publicly involve them in a lie? They’re already considered useless by the majority so from a PR POV they’d have no choice to put a statement out under these circumstances.

Hence why I think there is something to the ‘6-mile radius’ but it probably doesn’t go any further as a verbal warning if anything, as realistically like you said the EFL can’t just start adding rules to suit their own views as what kind of precedent does that set for clubs that are in dire plights in the future?Like you said if it isn’t in writing, it automatically becomes subjective, so it wouldn’t be a surprise if both Bobby and Fisher have twisted whatever has been said, if anything has been said that is.
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Fisher usually takes things out of context and attempts to leave you with a false impression. This 6 mile thing is probably about a brand new stadium and nothing to do with temporary groundshares.
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #165
Captain Dart said:
Fisher usually takes things out of context and attempts to leave you with a false impression. This 6 mile thing is probably about a brand new stadium and nothing to do with temporary groundshares.
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It's probably something along those lines. With regards to taking things out of context though, if you look through his past comments there are examples where he could've taken things out of context and attempt to leave you with a false impression as you say.

For instance in his Talk Sport interview, IMO he's made carefully worded statements where the language used shows he could've purposely taken any comments from the EFL out of content.

E.g.: “We have had it in writing umpteen times that we have to play in Coventry."

An easily twistable comment. For instance with regards to the "had it in writing comment" bit, IMO that could full well mean he's simply received comments via email/s. So it's not an official letter of intent but rather a verbal warning via email.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #166
JamesCCFC said:
It's probably something along those lines. With regards to taking things out of context though, if you look through his past comments there are examples where he could've taken things out of context and attempt to leave you with a false impression as you say.

For instance in his Talk Sport interview, IMO he's made carefully worded statements where the language used shows he could've purposely taken any comments from the EFL out of content.

E.g.: “We have had it in writing umpteen times that we have to play in Coventry."

An easily twistable comment. For instance with regards to the "had it in writing comment" bit, IMO that could full well mean he's simply received comments via email/s. So it's not an official letter of intent but rather a verbal warning via email.
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The talksport thing was bollocks.

Anybody worth their salt would have made him specify what was said live on air and made him squirm.

I genuinely think that Wasps / CCC weren't expecting the club to file accounts for starters, people now seem shocked they will be looking at options other than the Ricoh.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #167
Just a thought regarding the alternative ground and signing the accounts

To be able to sign off in the way they did the auditors had to have evidence that there were viable alternatives. The accounts were signed by the directors and auditors on 28th February. The audit work would have had to be completed before that and before that the spread sheets for the budgets & forecasts for each scenario would need to be put together. Before that of course the club would need to source the other venues. Even staying at the Ricoh would be based on assumptions about rent and costs. The auditors are supposed to check the assumptions etc in the forecasts. They are not supposed to just accept a directors say so, especially in a high risk situation like this. This says to me that the senior management at the club have known about the alternatives for some time - despite what we were assured.

There is a plan on both sides of the fence in my opinion, and each plan distresses the other
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #168
oldskyblue58 said:
This says to me that the senior management at the club have known about this for some time - despite what we were assured.
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That would reflect better on their competency, mind you!
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #169
Makes me feel more comfortable that the club will exist beyond Star Wars day this year.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #170
oldskyblue58 said:
Just a thought regarding the alternative ground and signing the accounts

To be able to sign off in the way they did the auditors had to have evidence that there were viable alternatives. The accounts were signed by the directors and auditors on 28th February. The audit work would have had to be completed before that and before that the spread sheets for the budgets & forecasts for each scenario would need to be put together. Before that of course the club would need to source the other venues. Even staying at the Ricoh would be based on assumptions about rent and costs. The auditors are supposed to check the assumptions etc in the forecasts. They are not supposed to just accept a directors say so, especially in a high risk situation like this. This says to me that the senior management at the club have known about the alternatives for some time - despite what we were assured.

There is a plan on both sides of the fence in my opinion, and each plan distresses the other
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I think it would be pretty naive to think there hasn't been something up their sleeve, it's what I have been worried about more.

You would think the auditors wouldn't be able to just take their word on things and would demand figures / proof rather than just ticking it off.

My issue is that people seem to have been hedging their bets on the accounts not being filed and no other option than the Ricoh.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #171
I wonder how the casino feel about this loss of income I would imagine they will be looking for a reduction in their rent
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #172
Terry Gibson's perm said:
I wonder how the casino feel about this loss of income I would imagine they will be looking for a reduction in their rent
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There's also the local pubs and businesses (not many left now though).
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #173
Nick said:
There's also the local pubs and businesses (not many left now though).
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Some of these other places will struggle to make up the loss of income
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #174
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Some of these other places will struggle to make up the loss of income
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I don't know where the away fans go, there are places like Cov Welsh who charge for the car park and then open the bar up which will be getting a chunk of income from the football so will be hit with them going.
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 5, 2019
  • #175
Nick said:
The talksport thing was bollocks.

Anybody worth their salt would have made him specify what was said live on air and made him squirm.

I genuinely think that Wasps / CCC weren't expecting the club to file accounts for starters, people now seem shocked they will be looking at options other than the Ricoh.
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You don't even need an understanding of the media to realise his interview was scripted. He would've known full well the type of questions that would've been asked and realistically I doubt he would've been too worried about being interrogated. He most likely would've sat down with a PR professional to go through questions and responses beforehand. Why do you think he went onto Talk Sport specifically? He was questioned by presenters and ex-footballers who neither have the nous or expertise to instigate a formal investigative interrogation of TF and CCFC's woes. Like I said he would've been advised about the type and tone of the questions asked and would've gone into the interview knowing full well the question's asked wouldn't have gone into any specifics - as to put it simply 95% of Talk Sport's listeners aren't interested.

I doubt they were expecting it either. The club has clearly banged on the same drum for all parties to hear, including Wasps and CCC, and now they've suddenly done a 180 by filing the accounts, in which they have stated that they are exploring other options. Is the timing of this tactical by SISU, given that the EFL deadline is today or is there nothing in it?
 
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