Groundhog day (1 Viewer)
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torchomatic
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Shows that's not all Thorn, doesn't it? Different man in charge, ten new players...
Black6Osprey
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Yes it does as he got this team together. You dont see Usain Bolt doing the 100m in 12 secs do you. You've either got ability or you haven't. We should be able to play to our ability at least 70% of the time so we've either got no ability or we are trying to cram the 30% in to all the early games. Which one do you think it is?:thinking about:
ccfcway
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Diehard Si
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Same old posts, same old whinging fans, same old boo'ing players wearing the shirt.
ccfcway
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same old people paying out their wages to go and watch them play the same old way with the same old results, resulting in 40 years of the same old league positions
LJC_CCFC
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The shocking lack of tactics is the problem, the dinosaur formation that is 4-4-2 does not work, we play neither long ball or passing football, shaw blew any chance he had of getting the job by doing nothing different tactically with the players, he just sent them out with no aim, direction or game plan. This squad is still good enough for promotion but it needs to be combined with a manager who can organize the team and give them direction. At least with thorn and Aidy we had a game plan, currently the players don't know what to do with the ball
Diehard Si
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You guys do know a new manager is being appointed right?
As in the club know they are shit and doing something about it.
As in the club know they are shit and doing something about it.
stupot07
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But he did do something different tactically, he switched from the diamond to 442, which is exactly what the majority of posters on here wanted to see.
LJC_CCFC
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Yeah its not exactly a drastic change is it and we know it dosen't work as when thorn used it last season we played even worse than with the diamond. It also only works if you have pacy wingers and at least one creative midfielder we have neither. There were no tactics last night or Saturday
skybluesam66
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4-4-2 only works with quality width
Mcsheffrey - gets caught in a 10m sprint with a 5m head start
Baker - a good game v blues, and then 2 games when he looked like he had never seen a football
We need good (or at least ok) wingers - which is what these tinpot teams like crewe and bury use to overpower us
Its not rocket science
and with christie, off the pace at the minute/ clarke off form/ and hussey who has not developed, we are reaally struggling in the wide positions
Mcsheffrey - gets caught in a 10m sprint with a 5m head start
Baker - a good game v blues, and then 2 games when he looked like he had never seen a football
We need good (or at least ok) wingers - which is what these tinpot teams like crewe and bury use to overpower us
Its not rocket science
and with christie, off the pace at the minute/ clarke off form/ and hussey who has not developed, we are reaally struggling in the wide positions
Grendel
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Yes we do and the current owners track record on appoitments does not instill confidence. The fact they extended someone's tenure than sacked him after a month does nothing to reassure me they will get it right this time.
skybluesam66
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that is true, but we have had managers who were approached, didnt move and then "went bad"
2 of those were Micky Adams and Ian dowie
2 of those were Micky Adams and Ian dowie
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Would seem to me that any formation we choose to play had some fundamental hinderances
1) we lack pace ...... AT said "pace costs" as if that was an excuse for not having players with decent pace ..... and yet we see plenty of supposedly lesser teams in League 1 & 2 with players that are quick. The evidence we have so far is that we dont go out to get pacey players
2) we lack tempo..... we labour to build up moves, we have played sterile football in our own half under AT not so much so under RS ...... but is it the manager or the players that dictate the tempo of the team..... is it that we do not have a clear leader on the pitch
3) we lack movement ..... sat and watched Burton moving to space, covering players, pressing the ball high up, moving as a unit.... then watched CCFC stand and wait for a pass, stand off the player with the ball, make token attempts at closing space down, moving as a loose fitting unit.......
But all these have been a problem for years...... compounded recently in my opinion last season and this ......... it is hard to change a losing mentality if these three elements are missing............ and if they are missing it doesnt matter if it is 442, 41212, 433, or 0010 ....... it isnt going to work properly or successfully
1) we lack pace ...... AT said "pace costs" as if that was an excuse for not having players with decent pace ..... and yet we see plenty of supposedly lesser teams in League 1 & 2 with players that are quick. The evidence we have so far is that we dont go out to get pacey players
2) we lack tempo..... we labour to build up moves, we have played sterile football in our own half under AT not so much so under RS ...... but is it the manager or the players that dictate the tempo of the team..... is it that we do not have a clear leader on the pitch
3) we lack movement ..... sat and watched Burton moving to space, covering players, pressing the ball high up, moving as a unit.... then watched CCFC stand and wait for a pass, stand off the player with the ball, make token attempts at closing space down, moving as a loose fitting unit.......
But all these have been a problem for years...... compounded recently in my opinion last season and this ......... it is hard to change a losing mentality if these three elements are missing............ and if they are missing it doesnt matter if it is 442, 41212, 433, or 0010 ....... it isnt going to work properly or successfully
skyblue1523
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last pacy winger i would have to say steve froggart wish we had him in this team
Evans020
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Didn't he score that cracker against Everton in the cup at Highfield road
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
pace is important in more than just wing play ............ I wonder over the last 4 years how many players with decent pace we have had .......
Nimely
King
ROD (apparently)
Christie (wasnt he supposed to be quickest in squad at start of last season)
others ................ ?
Nimely
King
ROD (apparently)
Christie (wasnt he supposed to be quickest in squad at start of last season)
others ................ ?
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Didn't Thorn identify pacey players last season? I recall him saying he'd identified a couple of players who could 'catch birds' (his exact phrase escapes me, but I'm not away and it insinuates pace); but for wherever reason - with the club or the player - they never transpired
Paxman II
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the reality is we can discuss all the varied reason's why we think the side is under performing and we will all highlight what we beleive are the problems. Whether it's pace in the side, the formation, tactics etc it really only goes to prove we have had inept managers at the helm for far too long.
All the more reason to make the best choice we can now and in my humble opinion we need an experienced guy and no trainee's from either lower leagues or one season wonders.
I know we had a few so called experience managers with Bothryod, Dowie and the like but in fairness they were very much the second rung of that ladder.
People like Mick McCarthy you feel would galvanise this club and team affairs. Vast experience at all levels. You can't make your judgement on personality alone and whether you like someone or not...it's whether you think he will do the job well.
Gordan Strachan is another in that league of vastly experienced.
I'm not promoting these two guys specifcally just pointing out the difference levels of what I would call an experienced manager compared to what others may think are.
As for the Chris wilders of this world? Yep it could work. The problem I have with that is it equally may fail just as easily and would be a huge gamble with the very lifeline of this club and therefore a wrong appointment for me.
SISU must dig deep into their pockets to save this club. There are rent reductions in the pipeline and other cost cutting exercises afoot so obtaining a decent man should not be so difficult a task especially when your very existence is riding on it.
All the more reason to make the best choice we can now and in my humble opinion we need an experienced guy and no trainee's from either lower leagues or one season wonders.
I know we had a few so called experience managers with Bothryod, Dowie and the like but in fairness they were very much the second rung of that ladder.
People like Mick McCarthy you feel would galvanise this club and team affairs. Vast experience at all levels. You can't make your judgement on personality alone and whether you like someone or not...it's whether you think he will do the job well.
Gordan Strachan is another in that league of vastly experienced.
I'm not promoting these two guys specifcally just pointing out the difference levels of what I would call an experienced manager compared to what others may think are.
As for the Chris wilders of this world? Yep it could work. The problem I have with that is it equally may fail just as easily and would be a huge gamble with the very lifeline of this club and therefore a wrong appointment for me.
SISU must dig deep into their pockets to save this club. There are rent reductions in the pipeline and other cost cutting exercises afoot so obtaining a decent man should not be so difficult a task especially when your very existence is riding on it.
Glaziers green top
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Good post. Wholeheartedly agree. God this is desperate supporting City.