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Grendel

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It’s been agreed only so the Labour Party can get their budget through as it’s a hung vote and the 1 Lib Dem said make this law and I’ll vote for the budget approval
 
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Shame, rarely went but always had a good evening when i did. Horse Racing next then rugby
(dementia due to head knocks) & finally football , heading the ball far too dangerous. Hope we can get a few years in the Prem before the ban.
 
Grendel

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CovValleyBoy said:
Shame, rarely went but always had a good evening when i did. Horse Racing next then rugby
(dementia due to head knocks) & finally football , heading the ball far too dangerous. Hope we can get a few years in the Prem before the ban.
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Did the greyhounds have a good evening?
 
DT-R

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Bred to run, rather than born to run. But I agree. Anyone who says its cruel to work dogs, has never owned a working dog. They thrive for work and love it.

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rob9872

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The usual nauseating responses. If you're not vegan you should probably sit this one out unless you're ok with animals being bred for your plate, but not for entertainment.

For those who are open to debate, yes it's a shame there were 4 deaths at Cheltenham, 4 too many ... but what do you propose to do with the 20,000 horses currently in training or the 35,000 retired horses? That's only the UK. If you think there won't be a massive cull because people can't afford to keep them, then you need to do some research. Currently the sport is very well regulated and almost all (I won't say all as there are some bad owners / trainers out there), are looked after impeccably. Often better than lots of pets and in many cases better than humans. They are not cheap to own or train.

The gambling industry is a problem and sponsoring football teams or stopping the bots/fruit machines would be far better legislation than stopping horse racing.
 
Brighton Sky Blue

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rob9872 said:
The usual nauseating responses. If you're not vegan you should probably sit this one out unless you're ok with animals being bred for your plate, but not for entertainment.

For those who are open to debate, yes it's a shame there were 4 deaths at Cheltenham, 4 too many ... but what do you propose to do with the 20,000 horses currently in training or the 35,000 retired horses? That's only the UK. If you think there won't be a massive cull because people can't afford to keep them, then you need to do some research. Currently the sport is very well regulated and almost all (I won't say all as there are some bad owners / trainers out there), are looked after impeccably. Often better than lots of pets and in many cases better than humans. They are not cheap to own or train.

The gambling industry is a problem and sponsoring football teams or stopping the bots/fruit machines would be far better legislation than stopping horse racing.
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I am OK with animals being bred for food and people's nutritional requirements, I am not OK with them being used for entertainment. Meat and animal products form part of a balanced diet which people need to live healthily. Nobody actually needs to watch horses or greyhounds running around a track.

I am with you on the gambling industry though, no surprise there.
 
rob9872

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I am OK with animals being bred for food and people's nutritional requirements, I am not OK with them being used for entertainment. Meat and animal products form part of a balanced diet which people need to live healthily. Nobody actually needs to watch horses or greyhounds running around a track.

I am with you on the gambling industry though, no surprise there.
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Do you not think that's a bit hypocritical? I eat meat because I like the taste of it, but let's not pretend those living a plant based diet are less healthy.

You've also not said what you propose to do with the estimated 55,000 horses. Even if 200 per year (and it's less than that), then to stop it now would be 275 years worth of deaths from horses who wouldn't otherwise be bred at all and are treated on the whole very well in and out of training.
 
Brighton Sky Blue

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rob9872 said:
Do you not think that's a bit hypocritical? I eat meat because I like the taste of it, but let's not pretend those living a plant based diet are less healthy.

You've also not said what you propose to do with the estimated 55,000 horses. Even if 200 per year (and it's less than that), then to stop it now would be 275 years worth of deaths from horses who wouldn't otherwise be bred at all and are treated on the whole very well in and out of training.
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A diet where you need to take supplements to get everything you need by definition is less healthy. The same applies to the 'carnivore' diet adherents. If I can be persuaded that I can get the same nutrition from a strict vegan diet I'll give it a go, I'm open minded to change.

As for all the horses, clearly you couldn't immediately ban all horse racing, it would need to be phased out. I don't see the hypocrisy really, I view one thing as optional and the other not.
 
rob9872

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
A diet where you need to take supplements to get everything you need by definition is less healthy. The same applies to the 'carnivore' diet adherents. If I can be persuaded that I can get the same nutrition from a strict vegan diet I'll give it a go, I'm open minded to change.

As for all the horses, clearly you couldn't immediately ban all horse racing, it would need to be phased out. I don't see the hypocrisy really, I view one thing as optional and the other not.
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You can't phase it out. If it's uncompetitive and knowing a natural end, there will be no sponsorship. No sponsorship, no prize money and it will end abruptly. I'm not saying you're wrong to hold your view, but it needs to be realistic and I've never heard or read a single argument that stacks up.
 
Brighton Sky Blue

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rob9872 said:
You can't phase it out. If it's uncompetitive and knowing a natural end, there will be no sponsorship. No sponsorship, no prize money and it will end abruptly. I'm not saying you're wrong to hold your view, but it needs to be realistic and I've never heard or read a single argument that stacks up.
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I haven't looked into the nitty gritty of how it would be stopped, I just have a strong objection to the sport.
 
Grendel

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rob9872 said:
The usual nauseating responses. If you're not vegan you should probably sit this one out unless you're ok with animals being bred for your plate, but not for entertainment.

For those who are open to debate, yes it's a shame there were 4 deaths at Cheltenham, 4 too many ... but what do you propose to do with the 20,000 horses currently in training or the 35,000 retired horses? That's only the UK. If you think there won't be a massive cull because people can't afford to keep them, then you need to do some research. Currently the sport is very well regulated and almost all (I won't say all as there are some bad owners / trainers out there), are looked after impeccably. Often better than lots of pets and in many cases better than humans. They are not cheap to own or train.

The gambling industry is a problem and sponsoring football teams or stopping the bots/fruit machines would be far better legislation than stopping horse racing.
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A horse dies every other day in the uk while racing. Most are treated appallingly and many are sent to auctions to get rid of them when they are still young as they aren’t earning any money.

Retired horses certainly aren’t looked after once their usefulness expires
 
rob9872

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I can find lots of anecdotal references, but the link provided, shows just how far away from reality some views are. To suggest most are treated appallingly is simply not true.
 
Grendel

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rob9872 said:
I can find lots of anecdotal references, but the link provided, shows just how far away from reality some views are. To suggest most are treated appallingly is simply not true.
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What actual experience do you have?
 
Brighton Sky Blue

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rob9872 said:
I can find lots of anecdotal references, but the link provided, shows just how far away from reality some views are. To suggest most are treated appallingly is simply not true.
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We had the Cheltenham races on the telly last week, watching the jockeys whip the daylights out of those horses towards the end would fit the bill of 'appalling treatment' for me.
 
Grendel

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
We had the Cheltenham races on the telly last week, watching the jockeys whip the daylights out of those horses towards the end would fit the bill of 'appalling treatment' for me.
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They are caged 23 hours a day and thats not even the start of of it
 
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