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Grand National 2021 (7 Viewers)

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Adge

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  • Apr 10, 2021
  • #36
Grendel said:
1 is 1 to many isn’t it?
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Yep-I guess so.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 10, 2021
  • #37
Out of interest without googling take a guess how many horses have died on U.K. racecourses in the last 14 years
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 10, 2021
  • #38
Adge said:
How many races horses ran today? How many died for a bit of balance?
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As bad as the National is it would be a huge improvement if that was the only race that ended up with horses dead.

Race Horse Death Watch

www.horsedeathwatch.com
 
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Mild-Mannered Janitor

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  • Apr 14, 2021
  • #39
Grendel said:
Out of interest without googling take a guess how many horses have died on U.K. racecourses in the last 14 years
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Over 100 a year I would have thought with the number of jump meetings daily and broken legs, falls etc sadly
 
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greys4life

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  • Apr 14, 2021
  • #40
Grendel said:
Out of interest without googling take a guess how many horses have died on U.K. racecourses in the last 14 years
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far too many! Slightly off subject but how many greyhounds have died or just disappeared over the last 10 years?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 14, 2021
  • #41
Mild-Mannered Janitor said:
Over 100 a year I would have thought with the number of jump meetings daily and broken legs, falls etc sadly
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Over 2,500
 
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Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #42
Grendel said:
Over 2,500
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That is just so wrong! Horses need to be looked after better than that! 2,500 is way too many needless deaths. Shameless!
 

rob9872

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  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #43
Houchens Head said:
That is just so wrong! Horses need to be looked after better than that! 2,500 is way too many needless deaths. Shameless!
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It's one of those things where we have to agree to disagree I think. I've had this with G before and I do sympathise and yes 1 is 1 too many, but the reason they are destroyed is because they love jumping so much. They are built as muscle machines and you see them continue to run and jump after a fall.

If it wasn't for racing they wouldn't be bred at all and there are countless more horses living their best life. A lot of regulations now and thankfully the trainers like Gordon Elliot or our own Mick Quinn, don't represent the majority of owners, breeders and trainers and love the horses like part of the family. In that same 14 year period where it averages 2-3 dying per week, there would be approx 1,500 running so if 1 in 500 die, then it would be fair to assume a significant factor born that wouldn't be and being treated well and looked after.
 

rob9872

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  • Apr 15, 2021
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In fact if you're looking at the cruelty of the sport, then I'd really concentrate not on the unfortunate accidents which are felt more deeply in the racing community than by you, G or me, but the bigger problem imo is those culled due to over-breeding. I don't have the figures, but I'd bet it's significantly higher than those who die at the track.
 

rob9872

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  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #45
I've just Googled a bit and even more staggering is 10,000 horses per year are bred and slaughtered in the UK for horse meat, mostly to France.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #46
rob9872 said:
It's one of those things where we have to agree to disagree I think. I've had this with G before and I do sympathise and yes 1 is 1 too many, but the reason they are destroyed is because they love jumping so much. They are built as muscle machines and you see them continue to run and jump after a fall.

If it wasn't for racing they wouldn't be bred at all and there are countless more horses living their best life. A lot of regulations now and thankfully the trainers like Gordon Elliot or our own Mick Quinn, don't represent the majority of owners, breeders and trainers and love the horses like part of the family. In that same 14 year period where it averages 2-3 dying per week, there would be approx 1,500 running so if 1 in 500 die, then it would be fair to assume a significant factor born that wouldn't be and being treated well and looked after.
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most lead terrible lives and no horse likes jumping that’s silly
 

rob9872

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  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #47
Grendel said:
most lead terrible lives and no horse likes jumping that’s silly
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If they don't like it, why do they continue to jump the fences after the jockey has fallen off? Who's making them do it?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #48
rob9872 said:
If they don't like it, why do they continue to jump the fences after the jockey has fallen off? Who's making them do it?
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Because they are herd animals that are terrified and running for their lives. Stick them all in Aintree with no noise and no jockeys and they will just eat grass
 
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PurpleBin

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  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #49
Grendel said:
Because they are herd animals that are terrified and running for their lives. Stick them all in Aintree with no noise and no jockeys and they will just eat grass
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If you stuck anything, unattended in Aintree it would be gone after half an hour tbf.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #50
rob9872 said:
If they don't like it, why do they continue to jump the fences after the jockey has fallen off? Who's making them do it?
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They basically never do it in the wild and rarely do they jump an obstacle instead of walk around it. They also don't invite other large animals to sit on them to be carried around. The whole problem of animals in sport is no matter how well intentioned anyone is it's impossible for a horse/greyhound/bull to consent.

A horse jumping fences after the rider falls off is probably just conditioned behaviour
 
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Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #51
rob9872 said:
If they don't like it, why do they continue to jump the fences after the jockey has fallen off? Who's making them do it?
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Having been in the Royal Army Veterinary Corps and ridden horses throughout a lot of my adult life, (I was also a qualified farrier), I can tell you that horses are "pack" animals - not 'pack as in a burden, but 'pack' as "follow the leader". If a jockey has been unseated, the horse will naturally follow the pack. This is when it becomes dangerous for the animal. Trailing reins getting caught in their legs as they gallop along is a sure-fire way to cause serious injury and almost certain death if it results in broken legs.
 
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ccfctommy

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  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #52
dubed said:
What's the odds on how many horses killed this year?

Time for the Beeb to consider its coverage.
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They did! It's on ITV...

Horses dying is very sad but they are bred to race. No horse racing, then these racehorses simply would not exist.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #53
ccfctommy said:
They did! It's on ITV...

Horses dying is very sad but they are bred to race. No horse racing, then these racehorses simply would not exist.
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Same as bulls in bullfighting then
 

ccfctommy

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  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #54
Grendel said:
Same as bulls in bullfighting then
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Not really a fair comparison.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #55
ccfctommy said:
Not really a fair comparison.
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Greyhounds
 

Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • Apr 15, 2021
  • #56
ccfctommy said:
They did! It's on ITV...

Horses dying is very sad but they are bred to race. No horse racing, then these racehorses simply would not exist.
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Good. That's what I'd like to see. No horse racing. There's plenty of other things to waste betting stakes on.
 
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