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Nick

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  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #36
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Here's a cashflow conundrum for Dave. What's the bigger cost:

1,000 ST holders ask for their money back because you're flogging first team regulars for sod all and trying to get relegated

Or

Keeping one of those regulars at the club
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You can't get your money back from a season ticket because a player is sold.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #37
Colin Steins Smile said:
If SISU's aim is to sell at the top of the business cycle. Then they're going about it in a rather st

If the club sell it's best players.....the adage of selling at the top of the business cycle is going to disappear pretty quickly. Especially if we look like relegation candidates....any prospective buyers are going to realise the £7m a year for being in the Championship is going to look a lot less next season in L1
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You make an excellent point
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #38
shmmeee said:
What the answer is doesn’t matter. But there needs to be an answer to the question: how do you balance the books at this level.

There are seemingly only two modes out there: investment for the hell of it, investment into young players who are sold for a profit.

They will tell you it’s the latter. In which case what’s the plan for when windows like this one happen and what have they learned for next time? Also how will the club sustain itself in future years if we can’t bring in any more potential?
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Yeah thanks that’s really useful
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #39
Skyblueweeman said:
I totally agree to the fact that we need to improve our cash flow. But to insinuate our CEO is ringing clubs offering our best players is just mental.

It's not naivety - it's just common sense.

The reasons I put above are likely why a club such as Huddersfield might be interested in Godden. Same for Hyam - Blackburn know that we're in a weak position financially with the 3 home postponements/paying to rent Burton for a game so they came back with an apparent lower offer and got their man.

Does that mean I think we're right in what we're doing? No.
Do I agree that we need more money? Yes.
Do I think it's absolutely mental for to think that a CEO is calling clubs to sell our better players? Jesus christ yes. Just the same made up nonsense in peoples heads.

If you're in DBs position, needing more money and you have two options, what do you do?

* 1. Call clubs to offer our best players to plug cash flow issues, knowing that you're going to piss off your manager, 13.5k season ticket holders and a wider section of the fan base who've only recently come back to the club after MR and his teams achievements over the last few years.

* 2. Ask Joy for some cash to cover the loan knowing that we can claim compo from Wasps to retrospectively improve the cash flow.

If people seriously think DB is such a loon that he'd rather sell our best players than ask his boss for more cash, I think I'm done here.

What's more likely?
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That he did 2, got told no, and is now doing 1?
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #40
Who keeps spreading these fucking shit ideas? Ffs stop doing it hey?
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #41
robbiethemole said:
Who keeps spreading these fucking shit ideas? Ffs stop doing it hey?
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #42
Skyblueweeman said:
I totally agree to the fact that we need to improve our cash flow. But to insinuate our CEO is ringing clubs offering our best players is just mental.

It's not naivety - it's just common sense.

The reasons I put above are likely why a club such as Huddersfield might be interested in Godden. Same for Hyam - Blackburn know that we're in a weak position financially with the 3 home postponements/paying to rent Burton for a game so they came back with an apparent lower offer and got their man.

Does that mean I think we're right in what we're doing? No.
Do I agree that we need more money? Yes.
Do I think it's absolutely mental for to think that a CEO is calling clubs to sell our better players? Jesus christ yes. Just the same made up nonsense in peoples heads.

If you're in DBs position, needing more money and you have two options, what do you do?

* 1. Call clubs to offer our best players to plug cash flow issues, knowing that you're going to piss off your manager, 13.5k season ticket holders and a wider section of the fan base who've only recently come back to the club after MR and his teams achievements over the last few years.

* 2. Ask Joy for some cash to cover the loan knowing that we can claim compo from Wasps to retrospectively improve the cash flow.

If people seriously think DB is such a loon that he'd rather sell our best players than ask his boss for more cash, I think I'm done here.

What's more likely?
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I don't think there is any hope for compensation from Wasps so that is not available

I don't think Blackburns comment regarding the sale of Hyam was especially helpful. Not very professional either really
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #43
Skyblueweeman said:
Or maybe it's because they're second from bottom early on in the season and want to bring in a striker to salvage their season before it's too late?

Gooden, one of only 3 players to have a goal per game ratio so far and we're a club seemingly in need of cash so it looks like an obvious bout of interest.

Not everything needs to involve BD ringing around FFS...
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Yeah that's logical, let's try and buy a striker from the only team below us

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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #44
Grendel said:
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I don't think there is any hope for compensation from Wasps so that is not available
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Even for the pitch repair cost?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #45
fernandopartridge said:
Yeah that's logical, let's try and buy a striker from the only team below us

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Not saying it's the case but it's pointless looking at League Tables right now, surely?

Even if it was, most transfers would be clubs getting players from clubs below them anyway.
 

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #46
I obviously hope this isn't true, and suspect it's just gossip, but what would everyone accept as a fee? I saw £5.5m further up and assumed that was a joke, just interesting to know what people would value a 31 year old Godden at.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #47
Nick said:
Even for the pitch repair cost?
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Depends if Wasps have met all their obligations in the lease doesn’t it? And the rhetoric from both sides made it sound like they did. So seemingly the pitch being playable isn’t in there and therefore it’ll depend on what was agreed when we paid. And as they’re cunts and have us over a barrel I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re eating that cost too.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #48
Well, at this rate Tavares fans will be delighted!
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #49
Nick said:
Even for the pitch repair cost?
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The suggestion is that has been offset by the next rent payments.

However, we still have to consider the possibility of the lease being surrendered. Its seems still no announcement (if they'd got the Finance sorted than I am sure it would be announced) and the clock is really ticking now.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #50
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
I obviously hope this isn't true, and suspect it's just gossip, but what would everyone accept as a fee? I saw £5.5m further up and assumed that was a joke, just interesting to know what people would value a 31 year old Godden at.
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It's another one where I'd sell him if it meant somebody else coming in to do the same job. For that to work, it needed deals done early, really.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #51
I don't see Godden going. I doubt we could get much of a fee.

I guess the other problem is we have not shifted Kane or Walker either and seems we are not going to
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #52
Right just going to assume we’re selling the big three, and Godden and probably Sheaf too, and then anything less than that will be a nice surprise.

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
I obviously hope this isn't true, and suspect it's just gossip, but what would everyone accept as a fee? I saw £5.5m further up and assumed that was a joke, just interesting to know what people would value a 31 year old Godden at.
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£1-2m ish?
 

edgy

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #53
So
Deleted member 5849 said:
Well, at this rate Tavares fans will be delighted!
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Scrap that. I'm hearing Boddy has already phoned McDonalds, see if they're interested.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #54
Skyblueweeman said:
I totally agree to the fact that we need to improve our cash flow. But to insinuate our CEO is ringing clubs offering our best players is just mental.

It's not naivety - it's just common sense.

The reasons I put above are likely why a club such as Huddersfield might be interested in Godden. Same for Hyam - Blackburn know that we're in a weak position financially with the 3 home postponements/paying to rent Burton for a game so they came back with an apparent lower offer and got their man.

Does that mean I think we're right in what we're doing? No.
Do I agree that we need more money? Yes.
Do I think it's absolutely mental for to think that a CEO is calling clubs to sell our better players? Jesus christ yes. Just the same made up nonsense in peoples heads.

If you're in DBs position, needing more money and you have two options, what do you do?

* 1. Call clubs to offer our best players to plug cash flow issues, knowing that you're going to piss off your manager, 13.5k season ticket holders and a wider section of the fan base who've only recently come back to the club after MR and his teams achievements over the last few years.

* 2. Ask Joy for some cash to cover the loan knowing that we can claim compo from Wasps to retrospectively improve the cash flow.

If people seriously think DB is such a loon that he'd rather sell our best players than ask his boss for more cash, I think I'm done here.

What's more likely?
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What if he's done 2 and the answer wasn't good? What next? In fact tbf to the bloke, doing 2 could have resulted in Joy ordering him to do 1!
 

Colin Steins Smile

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #55
Grendel said:
The suggestion is that has been offset by the next rent payments.

However, we still have to consider the possibility of the lease being surrendered. Its seems still no announcement (if they'd got the Finance sorted than I am sure it would be announced) and the clock is really ticking now.
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The way Wasps Holdings are performing financially, I agree that CCFC's chances of recouping the pitch repair costs against offset rent payments seems "hopeful" at best. At this rate CCFC will be a creditor in the administrative process that Wasps Holdings enters.
 

tskezz

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #56
Nick said:
You can't get your money back from a season ticket because a player is sold.
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Not with that attitude
 

Gynnsthetonic

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #57
Grendel said:
The suggestion is that has been offset by the next rent payments.

However, we still have to consider the possibility of the lease being surrendered. Its seems still no announcement (if they'd got the Finance sorted than I am sure it would be announced) and the clock is really ticking now.
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Wasp would have to surrender the lease if they can't refinance?
 

Skyblue_CP

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #58
Where has this even come from? Literally can’t see it anywhere.
 

Skyblueweeman

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #59
fernandopartridge said:
Yeah that's logical, let's try and buy a striker from the only team below us

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
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So clubs don't buy from teams below them?

Ok....
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #60
Grendel said:
I don't see Godden going. I doubt we could get much of a fee.

I guess the other problem is we have not shifted Kane or Walker either and seems we are not going to
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In all seriousness, this could be the making of Walker if he gets it right.

Or, as it's us, it breaks him in the sea of negativity.
 

Gynnsthetonic

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #61
So are we saying they're going into administration?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #62
Skyblue_CP said:
Where has this even come from? Literally can’t see it anywhere.
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Check the opening post of this thread.
 
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Skyblueweeman

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #63
Deleted member 5849 said:
What if he's done 2 and the answer wasn't good? What next? In fact tbf to the bloke, doing 2 could have resulted in Joy ordering him to do 1!
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If you were in that position, wouldn't you resign knowing that it would piss so many people off?

I understand it and I get it. And that could well be the case...but if your boss told you, in effect, to make yourself mega-unpopular with the people who you've (in part) helped to get on side over the last few years, you'd say no or go, no?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #64
Skyblueweeman said:
If you were in that position, wouldn't you resign knowing that it would piss so many people off?

I understand it and I get it. And that could well be the case...but if your boss told you, in effect, to make yourself mega-unpopular with the people who you've (in part) helped to get on side over the last few years, you'd say no or go, no?
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Depends how much my mortgage was with an impending recession, really.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #65
shmmeee said:
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Evo1883

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  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #66
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #67
Sky Blue Pete said:
You make an excellent point
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It was. He’s right. Us selling players below value will ultimately reduce the price they could get if/when they sell the club. I see this as top of the cycle for SISU as posted the other day, especially if stadium becomes available.

I wonder if the sale of Hyam is a stop gap to get us through first half of season to see how the wasps situation develops (which could impact potential interested parties/value) and/or sale of Ohare to Burnley once fully fit
 

Londonccfcfan

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #68
rexo87 said:
Read the Blackburn article on signing Hyam...

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That end of July we knocked back £2.5M....I wonder what happened in August.?

Postponement of 3 home games costing close to £1m lost revenue.

On top of that a pitch repair costing god knows how many 100s k.

Really dont think we would gave sold Htam had it not been for shambolic pitch situation.

THE PITCH SITUATION HAS FUCKED US PLAIN AND SIMPLE in August any plan went straight out the window.

Compensation from Wasps should include the difference of Hyam fee. Yes I know its not gonna happen but it's a reality of the pitch situation that's caused us to sell at all and sell cheap.
 
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tskezz

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  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #69
Deleted member 5849 said:
...this could be the making of Walker if he gets it right...
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feel like ive heard this a few times
 
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rexo87

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  • Aug 30, 2022
  • #70
Londonccfcfan said:
That end of July we knocked back £2.5M....I wonder what happened in August.?

Postponement of 3 home games costing close to £1m lost revenue.

On top of that a pitch repair costing god knows how many 100s k.

Really dont think we would gave sold Htam had it not been for shambolic pitch situation.

THE PITCH SITUATION HAS FUCKED US PLAIN AND SIMPLE in August any plan went straight out the window.

Compensation from Wasps should include the difference of Hyam fee. Yes I know its not gonna happen but it's a reality of the pitch situation that's caused us to sell at all and sell cheap.
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Any normal club would have been given 150k to sort the pitch by their owners. Ours aren't interested and so we have to sell a player to fund it. Its an absolute joke of a situation

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