God Help Us (7 Viewers)

[Mcbean]

Corbyn is a joker - not a serious politician - he deserves no waste of breathe along with his puppeteer John Mcdonaugh ! while i am no Boris supporter - he has to be able to do a better job with Eu twats over the Maybot who just handed the keys to the sweet shop to Juncker and Barnier

 

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[SkyblueBazza]

Is she smiling or snarling?

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[SkyblueBazza]

The one who won't bankrupt the country.

Not sure there is a clear separation there

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[SkyblueBazza]

Shouldn't she be on the not obvious babes thread?

Certainly not obvious to me

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[SkyblueBazza]

It’s a pile of bollocks.

Is he critical of Israel? Absolutely as should most people be.

It just appears to be fashionable and lazy to make it equate to anti-semitism without any proper analysis or understanding.

The trouble is he is in a position to actually do something to correct the anti-Semitism in his party - for which there does appear to be a body of evidence for. As yet he has only provided hot air to correct it.

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[Ian1779]

The whole anti-semitism thing is a side issue / distraction.

If you want to criticise Corbyn, it’s so much easier to do it on the basis that he’s not effective as an opposition leader. Ever since Cameron / Osborne, opposing this current generation of Tories should have been like shooting fish in a barrel - and it’s only getting easier. It’s a target rich environment but somehow he never manages to land a punch.

As for Johnson - beneath contempt. He’s got himself plenty of rope now, let’s see how he does.

Never lands a punch, or you’d never be told if he did...?

There isn’t a single media outlet in the UK that are in line with where Labour are now - the Mirror are the closest. The Guardian has turned into a Lib Dem wank-fest.

The manifesto struck a chord 2 years ago. Nearly all of it will be in the next one and it will do the same.

The Tories are now playing the ‘British Empire’ rhetoric... it sadly strikes a chord, but mostly with angry middle aged people.

 

[Grendel]

So you’ve taken the ‘word’ of a ‘left-wing’ journo as evidence.

Right then....

No it’s more his actions of standing on platforms with known terrorists and anti semites and seeming rather happy to be there

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The weight of evidence is enormous against Corbyn - just because you choose to ignore it does not invalidate it

Present it then. Criticism of Israel's criminal regime doesn't count though

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No it’s more his actions of standing on platforms with known terrorists and anti semites and seeming rather happy to be there

 

[Ian1779]

The trouble is he is in a position to actually do something to correct the anti-Semitism in his party - for which there does appear to be a body of evidence for. As yet he has only provided hot air to correct it.

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They are doing something. There are processes in place to deal with this. The general secretary responsible has had to deal with a 2 year backlog left by the last general secretary (one might argue deliberately) as well as having to deal with ongoing chemotherapy. The ‘crisis’ represent less than 0.1% of all members. In the last 6 months there were approx 1000 complaints. Around 40% of complaints were for people that aren’t even members. That is still far too high in my opinion but it has to be given suitable context.

 

[Grendel]

Present it then. Criticism of Israel's criminal regime doesn't count though

It has been presented numerous times and it’s his actions of associated with bombers and murderers - and people like you pretend it is not evidence do you not.

I’ve said before regarding Corbyn if two weeks after the murder of Jo Cox a Tory MP was selling a book in the commons of the leader of Britain first it would be vilified - but there’s always an excuse for Jeremy

 

[Grendel]

Which proves my point - you frantically divert to someone else. Come back to me when Mr Johnson shakes hands and guffaws and laughs with Britain first will you?

 

[Ian1779]

It has been presented numerous times and it’s his actions of associated with bombers and murderers - and people like you pretend it is not evidence do you not.

I’ve said before regarding Corbyn if two weeks after the murder of Jo Cox a Tory MP was selling a book in the commons of the leader of Britain first it would be vilified - but there’s always an excuse for Jeremy

What are you going on about?

 

[Ian1779]

Which proves my point - you frantically divert to someone else. Come back to me when Mr Johnson shakes hands and guffaws and laughs with Britain first will you?

He would if he could sell them weapons.

 

[Grendel]

What are you going on about?

I’m going on about a book stall selling a biography after the assassination of a British MP

 

[Ian1779]

I’m going on about a book stall selling a biography after the assassination of a British MP

Which one?

 

[Grendel]

He would if he could sell them weapons.

Oddly you sell arms they tend to be to people who are less than pleasant. Securing British jobs is at least some justification whereas supporting terrorist groups aimed at killing UK citizens and its western allies I’d suggest is not

 

[Ian1779]

Oddly you sell arms they tend to be to people who are less than pleasant. Securing British jobs is at least some justification whereas supporting terrorist groups aimed at killing UK citizens and its western allies I’d suggest is not

More whataboutery bollocks from you. So anyway where’s this ‘evidence’?

Also do you remember when you gave a fuck about Venezuela for like 2 days?

 

[Grendel]

Which one?

Anthony Berry - then Mr Corbyn met the said character and was handing out literature in the commons. To be fair the book selling was in the 90’s but of course another Mp had been blown up by then in the 90’s

In fact I doubt Brighton could name the last 3 MPs before joe Cox and her murder who were assassinated by a terrorist gang.

Mr Corbyn I don’t could either as he’s never mentioned them to my knowledge.

Actually thats not true as he and McDonnell were on an editorial of a far left magazine who described the death of Berry and the permanent disablement of Norma Tebbits wife as a start

A comment I do not believe they have ever apologised for

 

[Grendel]

If we go back to the Israel incident the whole wreath laying incident is Corbyn

“I was not there” here is the proof Jeremy

“I did not take part” here is a picture Jeremy

“I did not lay a wreath” here is a picture with a wreath Jeremy

“I cannot recall taking part” well the evidence shows you did

“I Condemn Violence on All Sides”

Of course you do Jeremy

 

[shmmeee]

I am pleased to see you called him Johnson the Boris thing is to make him sound like your mate. Alexander should really use his first name like most people do

Apparently his mates and family call him Al. Boris is just a persona for the public.

 

[Grendel]

More whataboutery bollocks from you. So anyway where’s this ‘evidence’?

Also do you remember when you gave a fuck about Venezuela for like 2 days?

I would suggest you look at an interview with Peter Snow (I’m sure it was him not Crick) with Corbyn on that issue.

It was toe curling. He asked numerous times to condemn the brutality of the socialist regime, he refused and actually in the end got cross as I assume as it was channel 4 he expected a much easier ride

He delivered the all sides punchline of course

 

[shmmeee]

The trouble is he is in a position to actually do something to correct the anti-Semitism in his party - for which there does appear to be a body of evidence for. As yet he has only provided hot air to correct it.

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Get out, under him the party have been kicking out people from Millibands time, publishing guides to anti-semitism on the left, making public statements.

Compare that to the response of everyone bar Sajid Javid in the Tories to a far far bigger problem. He had to resort to committing them live on TV and they still immediately backed out of even an investigation.

There’s plenty to criticise Corbyn for. Being an anti-Semite isn’t it.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Get out, under him the party have been kicking out people from Millibands time, publishing guides to anti-semitism on the left, making public statements.

Compare that to the response of everyone bar Sajid Javid in the Tories to a far far bigger problem. He had to resort to committing them live on TV and they still immediately backed out of even an investigation.

There’s plenty to criticise Corbyn for. Being an anti-Semite isn’t it.

Didn't say he was anti-semitic. So get out yourself!

I said he is in a position to really do something about it in his party, but it seems incredibly slow going. He is afraid of upsetting his applecart too much...it might hinder his chances of gaining ultimate power of office.

What is this "far bigger"??? Strange attitude. Bigotry is bigotry...are you suggesting anti-semitism is less important that anti-islam?

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[Ian1779]

Didn't say he was anti-semitic. So get out yourself!

I said he is in a position to really do something about it in his party, but it seems incredibly slow going. He is afraid of upsetting his applecart too much...it might hinder his chances of gaining ultimate power of office.

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It’s not really that slow going is it... it would never be quick enough for some people however.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What is this "far bigger"??? Strange attitude. Bigotry is bigotry...are you suggesting anti-semitism is less important that anti-islam?

Of course not. But the issue of anti-Islamic sentiment in the Tories is not given anywhere near the coverage of anti-Semitism in Labour despite both being massive problems. It gives an impression that being anti-Islamic is somehow more acceptable than anti-Semitism.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Apparently his mates and family call him Al. Boris is just a persona for the public.

I think this could be a strategy that could be used by the opposition and/or media to make him more accountable. The Boris persona is something he appears to be using almost as a split personality - doing shitty things in his bid for power but can disassociate himself from him cos it's not 'him' - its Boris.

So lets have everyone calling him Alexander from now on. Make him accountable, not his bumbling persona.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

It’s not really that slow going is it... it would never be quick enough for some people however.

Guides & words (some ill chosen & much criticised ones at that...in 3yrs...so hands up, I underplayed his efforts a little. Please forgive me. Other words to fast-track "the most serious" cases of anti-semitism.

If we were talking faith-ism in any other organisation or the public at large the response to what Jezza might call 'less serious' cases the response would be swift & decisive.

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[SkyblueBazza]

Of course not. But the issue of anti-Islamic sentiment in the Tories is not given anywhere near the coverage of anti-Semitism in Labour despite both being massive problems. It gives an impression that being anti-Islamic is somehow more acceptable than anti-Semitism.

That's because both parties are simply too preoccupied trying to childishly show each other up as impotent, inept & devoid of solutions

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

That's because both parties are simply too preoccupied trying to childishly show each other up as impotent, inept & devoid of solutions

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I agree with the preoccupation, but it doesn't explain why the problems in Labour get far more airtime/column inches than those in the Conservatives.

 

[skyblue1991]

Needs to be posted in the 'not so obvious hot babes' thread

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[skyblue1991]

Shouldn't she be on the not obvious babes thread?

Haha I just said the same thing without seeing your post in the first place!

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[Ian1779]

Guides & words (some ill chosen & much criticised ones at that...in 3yrs...so hands up, I underplayed his efforts a little. Please forgive me. Other words to fast-track "the most serious" cases of anti-semitism.

If we were talking faith-ism in any other organisation or the public at large the response to what Jezza might call 'less serious' cases the response would be swift & decisive.

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Any other organisation you say.... like the Conservative party??

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Any other organisation you say.... like the Conservative party??

I was meaning beyond political parties. Don't get me wrong - I am not putting the Tories on a pedestal regarding this sort of thing.

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[SIR ERNIE]

'I'm determined to stop Brexit'
http://news.sky.com/video/share-11772137
Sounds to me like she's given up already.