Nick
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I always have, I believe people should be equal regardless of skin colour. That's never been in question.
Apply your own mantra and it makes it a lot more simple.
Think a few more people are very slowly waking up to this.
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I mean, the actual Black Lives Matter founder also talks about the same stuff with Israel.
It's not as if it can be palmed away as "not an official view" because it's somebody using the same slogan.
So again, should things like the Premier League have jumped on the bandwagon or just pushed their own non political, straight forward anti racism campaign?
Im sure you said that the AFL wasn’t Marxist as well didn’t you?
Which is why I was talking about the founder of it.Cant believe you support the council over Sisu. I mean you also support Coventry City and so do people with silly views therefore you must hold those silly views.
You can’t stop shitty people shouting the same things you are.
Which is why I was talking about the founder of it.
What, the founder of the idea that black lives matter?
Again, there isn’t a “black lives matter official group”, there’s a slogan and a few groups that have been set up using that slogan.
Think of it like you can support Brexit without supporting Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party.
Yeah, the actual co founder of it all.
This is the issue with it, which I keep trying to point out.
Not that I can remember, and I didn't say that BLM was or wasn't Marxist, I said it's not on their official site.
But your attempt to link being against white supremacism with being anti-Semitic was just silly to be honest. Especially as there will be a large number of Jewish people who are against white supremacy and given the history of why it's a bit insulting to them.
Remember who it was who carried out the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting not that long ago. (and just to clarify, I am not saying there is no antisemitism on the left).
BLM is like Antifa, there isn't a central organising committee
There is not a founder of BLM, it's a slogan taken from hashtags following the George Zimmerman acquittal.
BLM try to make sure there is not a "leader" or "founder" and they are group centred control structured. This is an important thing for them as they want to show they are different to the Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson era activists.
There is not a founder of BLM, it's a slogan taken from hashtags following the George Zimmerman acquittal.
BLM try to make sure there is not a "leader" or "founder" and they are group centred control structured. This is an important thing for them as they want to show they are different to the Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson era activists.
Anyone who unironically uses the phrase “Marxists” in 2020 is unhinges quite frankly. Pro or anti.
I can read.
Again, this is what happens when you blindly follow politics because it suits.
and here's a slightly more balanced view with Jewish people expressing both support and opposition to the group but not through the prism of a crackpot conspiracy theory.
One of those expressing support is a black Jew who also considers himself a Zionist which just shows the folly of trying to paint all Jewish people of holding the same view.
Jewish groups condemn Black Lives Matter platform for accusing 'apartheid' Israel of 'genocide'
Everything I said there is correct. There is not a founder there are 3 women who created a hashtag. You need to actually know what you are talking about before you make yourself look like a cock. You think the street protests in places like London/LA?New York etc have anything to do with them apart from they use the slogan that they made popular?
The worldwide BLM movement is a mass of very very different people linked only by a slogan and frankly has very little to do with the Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza, and Opal Tometi.
A lot of organisations believe Hawk Newsome to be the leader of BLM, he’s nothing to do with the three ladies in your link. He’s actually the main organiser of BLM activity in NY.
A lot of organisations believe Hawk Newsome to be the leader of BLM, he’s nothing to do with the three ladies in your link. He’s actually the main organiser of BLM activity in NY.
It’s I’m Brian and so is my wife trying to point the finger at the leader of BLM. There’s various prominent members who the media like to point the finger at depending on the country, state, county, city, delegates as applicable.
To have someone to point the finger at is pure far right ideology. BLM is bigger than that. Just because the Colonels face is on the bucket it doesn’t mean he’s in the kitchen frying the chicken.
Pfft you’ll be claiming next that all people who voted Brexit aren’t racistsand here's a slightly more balanced view with Jewish people expressing both support and opposition to the group but not through the prism of a crackpot conspiracy theory.
One of those expressing support is a black Jew who also considers himself a Zionist which just shows the folly of trying to paint all Jewish people of holding the same view.
Jewish groups condemn Black Lives Matter platform for accusing 'apartheid' Israel of 'genocide'
I'll repeat, Marx was all for capitalism, anyway! It's a lazy trope.Anyone who unironically uses the phrase “Marxists” in 2020 is unhinges quite frankly. Pro or anti.
Which word would you prefer people to use to describe people who believe in Marx's theories and would like to see them implemented globally?
Can you point to such a person?
Marx is a fairly uncontroversial economic thinker, most of his theories stand up, he’s of the same ilk as Smith or Keynes but we don’t go around talking about Smithists and very rarely about Keynesians. We accept any economist worth their salt knows of all these theories and their place.
The point is he made an analysis of the economy, including thoughts on how the means of production may come into workers hands in various circumstances but the idea there’s some fully formed political program isn’t accurate. Many people claim to be Marxists and doing things in his name, many many more call everything they don’t like Marxism, thanks to both sides it’s basically a meaningless term these days. There’s no one school of Marxist thought. There are lots of people inspired by his analysis.
It shouldn't be bigger and complex. It should just be about the major point.
It's like me saying I want to start a CCFC fan chapter of the EDL but it's nothing to do with Tommy Robinson and his views but I will shout EDL as it's just a phrase.*
Fuck that, making it all about the politics and using it to push agendas is bollocks and it will detract from a lot of what people have been trying to get across. All for it to be used as a driver for some c**t's political agenda.
*I don't, just to clear that up.
Difference is the order that they came into being. EDL came first so you using it would be you attaching yourself to it. With BLM it's the other way round - the hashtag came first and all the organisations that now use it are attaching themselves to that piggybacking off the media exposure to push their own agenda.
The women created the hastag, not the many organisations since that are using it to push wider agendas. That's a load of political opportunists looking to increase their media exposure.
Difference is the order that they came into being. EDL came first so you using it would be you attaching yourself to it. With BLM it's the other way round - the hashtag came first and all the organisations that now use it are attaching themselves to that piggybacking off the media exposure to push their own agenda.
The women created the hastag, not the many organisations since that are using it to push wider agendas. That's a load of political opportunists looking to increase their media exposure.
BLM uk was founded in 2016?
BLM uk was founded in 2016?
It's not creating a hashtag, it's a movement isn't it?
I mean when you have the founders endorsing the "chapters" and crediting them then it's very naive to think they are all opportunists with no links? Is it OK to say that my chapter in the EDL is nothing to do with Tommy Robinson but he does endorse it and comes to meet with us? He is calling me comrade too.
Would the exposure from celebs, premier league etc have helped BLM UK raise over a million? I think more people should have stopped to ask the questions rather than blindly jumping on the bandwagon making sure they weren't labelled a racist. Why isn't there a hashtag on the back of football shirts or the badges presenters wear?
There's no need for the politics, you are never ever going to get something that people agree on when you push politics.
BLM IS political. It's about the politics of how people are treated based on skin colour and the only way that can affected is through political means.
I agree about bringing OTHER political elements in, like Israel. It should focus on its main mantra of racial equality and leave the rest alone.
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