clint van damme
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which is questioning their strategy, which is fair enough, I question it myself.
I can grasp it which is why I've been asking questions rather than shut up and agreeing like said by some.
A bit random to have a political group on Football shirts though? Maybe the focus should have just been on the existing kick it out.
Kick It Out is specifically about racism in football, BLM is about the wider issue. There’s also a difference between the BLM movement and the “official” BLM organisations. Saying “Black Lives Matter” shouldn’t be a statement of support for a particular political group it’s a general statement. The groups claiming the name really don’t help.
Yeah what the racial justice movement really needs is to embroil itself in one of the worlds longest running conflicts with two clear racial angles to it.
It’s terrible politics and activism. Stay focused.
Nah you could not be more wrong if you tried.
I think there are two problems here. One is strategic: the BLM organisation has a wide alt-left agenda, and the raising of this in the public consciousness in this way risks the possibility of diluting the mainstream support or their main constituency. (BTW, pretty surprising that BBC is running a 'Black Lives Matter' banner in its football, unless they are too stupid to realise that BLM is not simply a slogan but a political organisation).
Second is that that they are looking to conflate Starnier's (and the Governments') position on anti-Zionism (and which rightly condemns this move by Netanyahu) with Starnier's attempts to rid the party of its antisemitic, pro-Palestinian elements. Time to bring politics back to the Centre.
It’s impossible to untie the two. Politics has been part of the problem since forever, by default it has to be part of the solution. It’s just an empty slogan otherwise.BLM seems to be all about the politics rather than the actual point.
I think there are two problems here. One is strategic: the BLM organisation has a wide alt-left agenda, and the raising of this in the public consciousness in this way risks the possibility of diluting the mainstream support or their main constituency. (BTW, pretty surprising that BBC is running a 'Black Lives Matter' banner in its football, unless they are too stupid to realise that BLM is not simply a slogan but a political organisation).
Second is that that they are looking to conflate Starnier's (and the Governments') position on anti-Zionism (and which rightly condemns this move by Netanyahu) with Starnier's attempts to rid the party of its antisemitic, pro-Palestinian elements. Time to bring politics back to the Centre.
good post, but do you think it's right to conflate being pro-Palestinian with being anti Semitic?
Of course there's a cross over but I see nothing wrong with being pro-Palestinian in regard to wanting them to have their own functioning state that co-exists with Israel in something approaching normality.
good post, but do you think it's right to conflate being pro-Palestinian with being anti Semitic?
Of course there's a cross over but I see nothing wrong with being pro-Palestinian in regard to wanting them to have their own functioning state that co-exists with Israel in something approaching normality.
Im not sure the line between message and organisation is as clear cut as you make out: Black Lives Matter - Wikipedia
The BLM orgs are not BLM.
As seen on the other thread, a lot of that is over my head.
Even so, it's not really the point at hand for what BLM was meant to be and pushed as.
I doubt it would be all over football shirts if this sort of stuff would have been pushed a few weeks ago, it is going to dilute the actual point about equality when going off on political rants which isn't right.
any movement like this is political Nick. I'm not sure why you can't grasp that.
Should they be extending their reach into Palestinian affairs, I'm not sure they should myself. But either way - it's political!
they were shown solidarity by the Palestinian national council and it was right to respond but I personally don't think the statement they put out was the right tone.
They don't want to be getting embroiled in the the Israel/Palestine situation, in my opinion.
Black Lives Matter UK has raised a fair bit of cash as well off the back of the George Floyd stuff and then starts about the Israel politics.
It should literally just stick to the point of everybody being equal, regardless of skin colour. Nobody can disagree with that (if they aren't a prick).
Bringing the politics in, it blurs it all.
Malcom X stated that capitalism will never stop being racist and here we are 55 years after his death. Difficult to say he didn’t have a point when over half a century later the king of capitalism has triggered a worldwide movement through systematic racism. The fact that BLM or to be more exact sections of the BLM movement are saying this is a measurement of a failure of capitalism. Capitalism has had over half a century to prove Malcolm X wrong, that’s capitalism’s failure.They also want to end capitalism don’t they?
That’s what I’m saying though, XR had the same problem being an unstructured organisation anyone could claim to represent. The BLM corp, BLM U.K., the BLM foundation aren’t “BLM” any more than PSB Group are all CCFC fans.
When I say I support BLM or footballers put it on their top or whatever they’re expressing support for the overall movement in the same way as when you sing Sky Blue Army you aren’t specifically endorsing every idea Tim Kalns has.
Do all the people who have donated them over a million in total know that?
They also want to end capitalism don’t they?
Possibly not but to be fair if we are referring to BLM (uk) it’s pretty explicit on the go fund me page they are essentially a hard left movement that wants to change societies construct and its an “equality for all” message
Do all the people who have donated them over a million in total know that?
Like I keep saying, of course every human should want equality but it's dangerous to run around with banners with "Black Lives Matter" as you could be pushing anything. Same on football shirts etc etc.
There's nothing I've seen that expresses any political affiliation on there website though given there objectives I think it's fair to assume they're fairly left wing.
Can’t police use of a phrase.
Maybe they have been told to effectively just shut up and agree like I have in this thread? Maybe if they questioned it they were told they were "scared of being equal" or they were a "gammon" so just donated without reading it all.
that's a gofund me page, I was on about their official site. I've had no reason to go to their gofund me page.
including but not limited to working class queer, trans, undocumented, disabled, Muslim, sex workers, women/non-binary, HIV+ people.
It’s a radical organisation founded by self proclaimed Marxists in 2016 isn’t it?
so you don't agree with on imperialism and white supremacy?
so you don't agree with on imperialism and white supremacy?
Oddly you’ve missed a key word out in the middle and of course white supremacy really refers to the people who own capitalism and we really all know what race they refer to here don’t we?
Think a few more people are very slowly waking up to this.It’s a radical organisation founded by self proclaimed Marxists in 2016 isn’t it?
This is why it should just be:
"EVERYBODY SHOULD BE EQUAL, BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD BE EQUAL TO WHITE PEOPLE"
There's no discussion to be had about that in any normal person.
When it brings sly politics in, it ruins it.
Apply your own mantra and it makes it a lot more simple.I can quite easily take a step back and not make it about politics and just make it about common sense.
you're massively off the mark, scratch underneath the far right street thugs who hate blacks and Asians and the target of any far right hierarchy is always the Jews.
And there's little conspiracy theory doing the rounds that George Soros is behind BLM, as antisemitic as you can get that, and something I'd imagine you'd be on board with
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...rge-as-protests-sweep-us-20200621-p554s6.html
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