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shmmeee

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,731
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Haha. Not at all. Perhaps they just don't want to be engineers. Perhaps the opportunities for women in engineering are not there rather like opportunities for minority groups in law etc as suggested by David Lammy.
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Lack of women in STEM is an interesting issue. When I taught Computing it wasn’t uncommon that the best students in Year 9 were girls, what did these excellent programmers do when options time came around? Choose English Lit or Drama instead. Or if they were really geeky Biology.

Don’t know why but IMO it’s clearly a “want to” issue not a “capable of” issue.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,732
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Only 12% of qualified engineers in the UK are women.
#womenslivesmatter.
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How to Stop Being Insecure and Build Self-Esteem
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,733
shmmeee said:
Lack of women in STEM is an interesting issue. When I taught Computing it wasn’t uncommon that the best students in Year 9 were girls, what did these excellent programmers do when options time came around? Choose English Lit or Drama instead. Or if they were really geeky Biology.

Don’t know why but IMO it’s clearly a “want to” issue not a “capable of” issue.
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That's the answer I expected.
When I suggested the same reason why there is a disproportionately low number of minority groups joining the police I got branded a racist.
Funny that.
.but then it's only women isn't it ?
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,734
But if it’s a ‘want to’ issue. What’s are the reasons for not wanting to? That’s what also needs to be explored and worked on.

Not LOL THEY DON’T WANT IT. I WIN. NEXT
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,735
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
That's the answer I expected.
When I suggested the same reason why there is a disproportionately low number of minority groups joining the police I got branded a racist.
Funny that.
.but then it's only women isn't it ?
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There’s significant evidence of difference in brain patterns (in general) between women and men that can account for this though, possibly related to testosterone levels etc. The science is young but that seems to be what it’s showing. However averages aren’t everyone and there’s still an issue with technical minded women being discriminated against, it’s just not best solved by looking at the overall number.

I’ve seen no such evidence of genetic differences in race that would account for such a thing. So it’s apples an oranges. Race is cultural, sex biological basically.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,736
hill83 said:
But if it’s a ‘want to’ issue. What’s are the reasons for not wanting to? That’s what also needs to be explored and worked on.
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Don't disagree with that at all. They are the questions and the things that need to be looked into.
 
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hill83

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,737
Nick said:
Don't disagree with that at all. They are the questions and the things that need to be looked into.
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I always wanted to be a hairdresser. Still would like to be if I’m being honest. Didn’t have the bollocks to do it so went into IT.

It’s my own issue why I didn’t go for it but we all know the stereotypes, more so 20 years ago.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,738
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Only 12% of qualified engineers in the UK are women.
#womenslivesmatter.
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Another of the worlds great inequality issues. Women’s rights. As a side note I wonder what percentage of those women are black. That’s the double whammy, black and female.
I was reading an article the other day on deaths during childbirth and it’s once again disproportionately high in specifically for black women. Now I was thinking it must me related to sickle cell or something along those lines but no, apparently it stems from a train of thought that stems back from the slave trade that doctors of all colours believe that black people feel pain in a different way to other races so when the woman says she’s in excruciating pain it’s dismissed/downplayed as not being as serious as if a woman from a different race was saying it so problems during labour can be missed until it’s too late of the back of this until it’s considerably more serious or too late. Apparently it’s a belief widely held by medical professionals in every health service in the world including African nations. I’ll have to see if I can find the article again.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,739
skybluetony176 said:
Another of the worlds great inequality issues. Women’s rights. As a side note I wonder what percentage of those women are black. That’s the double whammy, black and female.
I was reading an article the other day on deaths during childbirth and it’s once again disproportionately high in specifically for black women. Now I was thinking it must me related to sickle cell or something along those lines but no, apparently it stems from a train of thought that stems back from the slave trade that doctors of all colours believe that black people feel pain in a different way to other races so when the woman says she’s in excruciating pain it’s dismissed/downplayed as not being as serious as if a woman from a different race was saying it so problems during labour can be missed until it’s too late of the back of this until it’s considerably more serious or too late. Apparently it’s a belief widely held by medical professionals in every health service in the world including African nations. I’ll have to see if I can find the article again.
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...and then there's man flu.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,740
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
...and then there's man flu.
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Annoying yes but we take it on the chin because it doesn’t really mean anything. Soft as shit you are really aren’t you.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,741
hill83 said:
I always wanted to be a hairdresser. Still would like to be if I’m being honest. Didn’t have the bollocks to do it so went into IT.

It’s my own issue why I didn’t go for it but we all know the stereotypes, more so 20 years ago.
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Thinking outside the box though, walk into a nightclub at the weekend and be knee deep
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,742
Man flu is legit I think, saw a study somewhere that it affects men differently.

The pain thing doesn’t surprise me. My ex had a high pain threshold and multiple midwives wouldn’t accept the baby was on the way because she wasn’t screaming the place down.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,743
shmmeee said:
Man flu is legit I think, saw a study somewhere that it affects men differently.

The pain thing doesn’t surprise me. My ex had a high pain threshold and multiple midwives wouldn’t accept the baby was on the way because she wasn’t screaming the place down.
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My Mrs has definitely got a higher pain threshold than me. No doubt about it.

With man flu etc, or any sort of illness/cold, it’s going to be such a tricky thing with COVID etc. Loads of people get a bit ill and try to ‘man up’ through it as if they are some sort of hero. “Not had a day off in ten years pal”.
Well done mate. Can’t do that anymore though.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,744
hill83 said:
My Mrs has definitely got a higher pain threshold than me. No doubt about it.

With man flu etc, or any sort of illness/cold, it’s going to be such a tricky thing with COVID etc. Loads of people get a bit ill and try to ‘man up’ through it as if they are some sort of hero. “Not had a day off in ten years pal”.
Well done mate. Can’t do that anymore though.
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Presenteeism is such bollocks anyway. Oh cheers mate you’re a real hero coming in and infecting the entire office. Nice one.
 
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hill83

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,745
And your “any excuse for a day off’ers” as well. Field day for them. Seen you in 2 weeks Janet.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,746
hill83 said:
I always wanted to be a hairdresser. Still would like to be if I’m being honest. Didn’t have the bollocks to do it so went into IT.

It’s my own issue why I didn’t go for it but we all know the stereotypes, more so 20 years ago.
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If you started training now would you cut my hair when your qualified please?
It will still be quicker than waiting for my missus to do it and she hasn't worked for 10 weeks.
 
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hill83

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,747
clint van damme said:
If you started training now would you cut my hair when your qualified please?
It will still be quicker than waiting for my missus to do it and she hasn't worked for 10 weeks.
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Short back and sides or a skinhead.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,748
hill83 said:
Short back and sides or a skinhead.
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Short back and sides please. I'm not a lout
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,749
hill83 said:
Annoying yes but we take it on the chin because it doesn’t really mean anything. Soft as shit you are really aren’t you.
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Its real. Women just don't get flu like we do. Still there's period pain. I wouldn't swap.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,750
Haven’t found the specific article yet but here’s a similar article based on the urban myth that black people have different nerve endings and the literal meaning of thick skin meaning that they feel pain differently. 40% of first and second year medical students still believing it to be a fact in 2016. You can’t even say it’s a generational issue. Just goes to show how ingrained this stereotype is. Amongst others.
How we fail black patients in pain
 
M

Monners

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,751
clint van damme said:
Short back and sides please. I'm not a lout
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Lout. Now there’s a word you don’t hear too often nowadays
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,752
Monners said:
Lout. Now there’s a word you don’t hear too often nowadays
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The same could be said for short back and sides.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,753
chiefdave said:
Agree its not good but what do you use instead? People are struggling with the concept of Black Lives Matter and you can't really get a simpler message than that.
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Reform the police
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,754
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Reform the police
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Here?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 25, 2020
  • #2,755
Grendel said:
Here?
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Moreso America, but we could definitely do with a bit of self-reflection.

Defund the Police is stupid - here or America.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 26, 2020
  • #2,756

I mean, a little bit random how they have an order against gatherings and gatherings are banned because of lockdown apart from a particular one.

That sort of thing will only fuel the "White Lives Matter" type stuff. All it does is drive people to listen to people like Tommy Robinson.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 26, 2020
  • #2,757
No prizes for guessing who’s being accused of misleading/lying again. PM accused of misleading MPs on race review response
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 26, 2020
  • #2,758
Nick said:

I mean, a little bit random how they have an order against gatherings and gatherings are banned because of lockdown apart from a particular one.

That sort of thing will only fuel the "White Lives Matter" type stuff. All it does is drive people to listen to people like Tommy Robinson.
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Those into white lives matter are probably already going to be listening to Robinson.
 

Nick

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  • Jun 26, 2020
  • #2,759
Sick Boy said:
Those into white lives matter are probably already going to be listening to Robinson.
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Naive to think it isn't stuff like that which helps drive people to him.
 
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stupot07

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  • Jun 26, 2020
  • #2,760
skybluetony176 said:
No prizes for guessing who’s being accused of misleading/lying again. PM accused of misleading MPs on race review response
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Lying for Boris is as natural as breathing is for the rest of us. He is a compulsive liar.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jun 26, 2020
  • #2,761
Oh hello . Who's this popped up on the Google search logo ?
Olive Morris. You learn something new every day.
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 26, 2020
  • #2,762
Nick said:

I mean, a little bit random how they have an order against gatherings and gatherings are banned because of lockdown apart from a particular one.

That sort of thing will only fuel the "White Lives Matter" type stuff. All it does is drive people to listen to people like Tommy Robinson.
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Isn’t the point that it is planned, the organisation has asked to protest in advance so that the police can appropriately supervise, so ad-hoc counter ones are banned so not to overwhelm services?
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jun 26, 2020
  • #2,763
Sick Boy said:
Those into white lives matter are probably already going to be listening to Robinson.
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White lives matter as much , or as little , as any other lives matter. I think they do .
I'm not interested in Tommy Robinson either.
Am I an extreme right wing fascist racist for having the gall to say that ?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 26, 2020
  • #2,764
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
White lives matter as much , or as little , as any other lives matter. I think they do .
I'm not interested in Tommy Robinson either.
Am I an extreme right wing fascist racist for having the gall to say that ?
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If your take of BLM is that they’re trying to somehow white lives matter less than others, then you’ve missed the point of it entirely.
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jun 26, 2020
  • #2,765
Sick Boy said:
If your take of BLM is that they’re trying to somehow white lives matter less than others, then you’ve missed the point of it entirely.
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And what if my take on it isn't that, but I still think that white lives matter in equal measure.
Is that possible ? You seem to think we're all Tommy Robinson supporters. That would be great for you to assume that so you could bang on about it, but many people who think like me are not interested in Tommy Robinson at all.
So don't assume everyone who isn't jumping on the BLM bandwagon and doesn't have a penchant for felling statues after 3 months of lockdown is a racist.
 
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