TomRad85
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I set you up for an open goal there didn't I
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I'd much rather here from balanced people like Robbie Earle, like Dizzee Rascal, like the humble guy who jumped in to save the bloke from getting a kicking than people who take it too far the other way and start to stereotype white people.
I honestly don't get how hearing more people like Dizzee Rascal say they can't be bothered to talk about it right now is crucial to advancing the national dialogue. But I can see why it might be reassuring to someone who would be much happier talking about other stuff instead.
As for Robbie Earle - he was pushed to tears by the guy in Burnley trying to undermine the one token gesture being made to BLM, but here people are trying to make excuses for the guy when he [gasp] faced consequences for it. Somehow I don't think people were listening to Robbie Earle as closely as you say you were.
Quite a few people on here would.I mean how extreme do you want to get with making somebody who is white, not in power etc, feel uncomfortable to get things sorted?
It's also naive to think all of this "defund the police" stuff isn't having an impact. Much the same as when Tommy Robinson gives his minions subtle direction to act up.
Now you have police literally running for their own safety while their cars are smashed up with sledge hammers.
I said it before and I don't think you replied, the Tories have been defunding the police for ten years.
When the police chief of Manchester said it would increase the chance of a terrorist attack then home Secretary Theresa May said he was being a drama queen, this was not long before the Manchester arena bombing.
I don't think I 've ever saw you slating the Tories for it but now a group of street activists are calling for it (and I personally haven't seen calls for it in this country though I'm not saying there haven't been) you keep mentioning it.
I really can't understand your reasoning.
If you're referring to Brixton the violence was at a block party. The Black Lives Matter event ran 1-7pm and I can't find any reports of issues at that.Is it the same street activists who smashed the fuck out of the police last night after a BLM event?
Again, it's not all or nothing is it it? It's not one or the other?
Yes, the police are under funded and need much more funding. You will probably notice I got bored of the Brexit and Corona thread because it's all people taking whatever they can to backup whichever party they support (and then there's Dom). You probably won't see me slating labour, the tories or the lib dems in the politics threads.
Is it the same street activists who smashed the fuck out of the police last night after a BLM event?*
*Again, a disclaimer to say that because I disagree with that it doesn't mean that I don't think people should be equal.
If you're referring to Brixton the violence was at a block party. The Black Lives Matter event ran 1-7pm and I can't find any reports of issues at that.
But if you're really concerned with police funding why only mention it now when a few blowhards are mentioning it and not during the last ten years when it's been happening quiet aggressively and with harsh consequences?
I can't understand the logic?
And have you seen activists calling for defunding in this country? They are absolute th king idiots if they have been.
America is different. Their police spend is huge and they e become increasingly milatirised. I'm not sure if defunding over there would help I've not read up on.it but their living situation is a much different scenario to ours
I haven't mentioned the funding, I am mentioning that people want to get rid of the police after an incident in America. I haven't got into the politics and budgets. This is the issue, everybody wants to politicise things to suit if they prefer labour or conservative.
The official Black Lives Matter website features defund the police.
Thing is, nobody has made excuses for him.
It's part of the problem, people don't seem to be able to read and try to take things to the other end of the spectrum. It gets nowhere, does it?
Much the same as Piers Morgan was desperate to hear Dizzee Rascal pile in and get worked up, some people are desperate to judge anybody who is white. I mean how extreme do you want to get with making somebody who is white, not in power etc, feel uncomfortable to get things sorted?
Yep. Not one person made an excuse for the Burnley idiot.
I questioned should he have lost his job. That's not making an excuse for him.
Same as the lad who got 3 months for throwing a smoke bomb.
Was he a fucking idiot- yes.
Should he have been jailed? Not a chance.
Just going off what the police have said - an unlicensed music event. Seems to be a few of them about at the moment, was one in Trafford with 3 stabbings and a rape. Idiotic to have at the best of times but especially at the moment.Totally separate then?
The same as if there was an EDL rally and then there was a riot just up the road?
I've said before, everything is political. Everything. There's no point trying to escape that.
And again, I highly doubt BLM will ever have any say in police funding, if that's their agenda it's nonsense but it doesn't bother me because it won't be taken seriously.
The 20,000 police and 20,000 support staff that have gone in the last ten years due to cuts, that really worries me.
Shocking behaviour but is anybody surprised? Despite this, there will still be publishers or producers who will give her colum inches or stick her infront of a camer because it helps sell papers or adverts. All for exposing racist behaviour, but it does more harm than good sometimes.Hmmm-look what she says here when she thinks she’s around like minded people.
Nick st al. The story of Stephan Lawrence is now on BBC I player
worth a look
Nick st al. The story of Stephan Lawrence is now on BBC I player
worth a look
Agree its not good but what do you use instead? People are struggling with the concept of Black Lives Matter and you can't really get a simpler message than that.“Defund the police” is the worst piece of politics I’ve seen since the Lib Dems.
It’s such a stupid slogan especially as you can’t find anyone but a couple of Twitter weirdos who mean it literally, instead you’ve got people saying it to mean “spend more on rehabilitation” and wondering why people don’t support them. Nuts.
Defund the Police makes more sense in the US where budgets are spiralling out of control while training is minimal.
The principle can be applied here as well. It doesn't actually mean no funding for the police and have everything be a free for all, although as with all things there are some people on the fringes that have that extreme view. Not very well named IMO but then people struggle to grasp something as simple as black lives matter so you can see the issue.
All it means is properly funding other services so the police, and other emergency services, are left to deal with actual crime. So mental health services are funded sufficiently, homelessness, drug and alcohol rehabilitation etc. Idea being that dealing with the issues that lead to criminal activity is a better option than waiting until something is at the point the police get involved. If you watch something like the Ambulance documentary on BBC the paramedics are constantly talking about how they are spending less and less time doing their actual job and more time filling in for services that no longer exist thanks to cuts.
Defund the Police makes more sense in the US where budgets are spiralling out of control while training is minimal.
The principle can be applied here as well. It doesn't actually mean no funding for the police and have everything be a free for all, although as with all things there are some people on the fringes that have that extreme view. Not very well named IMO but then people struggle to grasp something as simple as black lives matter so you can see the issue.
All it means is properly funding other services so the police, and other emergency services, are left to deal with actual crime. So mental health services are funded sufficiently, homelessness, drug and alcohol rehabilitation etc. Idea being that dealing with the issues that lead to criminal activity is a better option than waiting until something is at the point the police get involved. If you watch something like the Ambulance documentary on BBC the paramedics are constantly talking about how they are spending less and less time doing their actual job and more time filling in for services that no longer exist thanks to cuts.
Agree its not good but what do you use instead? People are struggling with the concept of Black Lives Matter and you can't really get a simpler message than that.
Totally separate then?
The same as if there was an EDL rally and then there was a riot just up the road?
Not saying it was related or not as I don’t know. But this thread would hit 300 pages with 95% of posts by you if something similar was suggested, but it was us lot celebrating our promotion nearby a couple of hours beforehand.
Indeed but the same principle of funding other services properly so the emergency services aren't left to sort issues better dealt with by specialist services still applies.Anyone calling for defunding here is a mentalist.
Not really.
I said at the time the social distancing was non-existent and called that racist prick out for what it was straight away as soon as I saw the video.
I'm sure this is mainly referring to the States. In addition to the points you've made many officers over there go from one year to the next not making a felony arrest, they're equipped with hardware the military would be proud off and the FBI have warned that there has been.a lit of infiltration through recruitment drives over the last few years.
Anyone calling for defunding here is a mentalist.
Only 12% of qualified engineers in the UK are women.
#womenslivesmatter.
Haha. Not at all. Perhaps they just don't want to be engineers. Perhaps the opportunities for women in engineering are not there rather like opportunities for minority groups in law etc as suggested by David Lammy, but there won't be any fuss about such a disproportionate number.Sounds like you are suggesting they don’t matter with this belter.
Defund the Police makes more sense in the US where budgets are spiralling out of control while training is minimal.
The principle can be applied here as well. It doesn't actually mean no funding for the police and have everything be a free for all, although as with all things there are some people on the fringes that have that extreme view. Not very well named IMO but then people struggle to grasp something as simple as black lives matter so you can see the issue.
All it means is properly funding other services so the police, and other emergency services, are left to deal with actual crime. So mental health services are funded sufficiently, homelessness, drug and alcohol rehabilitation etc. Idea being that dealing with the issues that lead to criminal activity is a better option than waiting until something is at the point the police get involved. If you watch something like the Ambulance documentary on BBC the paramedics are constantly talking about how they are spending less and less time doing their actual job and more time filling in for services that no longer exist thanks to cuts.
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