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Same goes for Rubin
Candace Owens views didn't change over time, they changed as soon as someone gave her more money
I agree with you but why now? What's changed? Its nothing to do with George floyd. We cant change the past and we shouldn't pander to a small minority.
Same goes for Rubin
Because it’s not the 70’s anymore.I agree with you but why now?
yes statues should be put in museums so we can educate people on their wrongs but as seen with Edward Colston statue a powerful minority do seem to object to this and want to keep the statues in placeI guess the statues going in museums would suit that purpose so people can still learn about these figures and how views changed. If they are all hidden away then I think it is denying the past to an extent.
I see he’s religious now...
Contrarians man.
I agree with you but why now? What's changed? Its nothing to do with George floyd. We cant change the past and we shouldn't pander to a small minority.
yes statues should be put in museums so we can educate people on their wrongs but as seen with Edward Colston statue a powerful minority do seem to object to this and want to keep the statues in place
The problem is she’s completely missed the point. The issue is far bigger than this one event. There’s been a couple of high profile cases aside from this incident very recently. There was the two rednecks that killed a black jogger and would have gotten away with it as the police couldn’t be arsed with it until the video went viral a month later, then there was that vile woman who weaponised racism in the police when a black man who was bird watching very politely asked her to put her dog on its lead as per the park’s rules. If this woman thinks it’s about turning George Floyd into a martyr then she is unbelievably ignorant and her opinion should be dismissed on that basis.You should listen to what she says, and then make your judgement, as she addresses all of that too.
Her point is that the cop was very wrong and should be dealt with, but she will not hold a guy who has been jailed multiple times, including for threatening a pregnant mum with a gun as his mates robbed her property, as a martyr. You may agree or disagree with that, it’s your choice.
putting that view down without even hearing it based on your prejudices is ironic though.
Thanks for that.The colour of Gammon is similar to the colour elderly men of a certain political view go when they get angry.
It used to be seen a lot of Question Time pre lockdown
There should be museums on slavery in the ports, towns are cities where the trade was mostly conducted full of statues, road signs etc of the people that conducted the trade, it should be a complete history on the slave trade, who sold them in Africa, who brought them in Africa, where they were transported, what that journey consisted off, how they were treated, how they were abused, what industries used them etc etc. No sugar coating, educate people.yes statues should be put in museums so we can educate people on their wrongs but as seen with Edward Colston statue a powerful minority do seem to object to this and want to keep the statues in place
And what about people who dont want them removed? Do they not count? I'll wager the majority of people dont want stuff messed about with. And why now? Can we remove Mandela then? If enough people find him offensive then we'll get shot of that then yes?Why not if it’s no skin off our nose?
Why does it matter if, with John Cleese agreement, we used the edited version of Fawlty Towers without the words nigger and wog on it?
Why does it matter if after years of peaceful protest about a statue people of the city decide enough is enough and remove it themselves?
I’ll ignore the irony of pushing a fringe view about immigration constantly then whining about listening to fringe views.
I agree with you but why now? What's changed? Its nothing to do with George floyd. We cant change the past and we shouldn't pander to a small minority.
to be fair it sounds like quite a lot of locals in Bristol wanted the Colston statue removed but their views had been ignored. .
Perhaps canvassing local opinion would be the best way to deal with all of the contentious statues otherwise it's going to end up getting sillier than it is now.
Looks like the locals in Poole want to keep the Baden Powell one so let them keep it. If the allegations against him are true, (and there's evidence to the contrary that there not but I haven't looked into it a great deal), then that's down to them if they want to be seen as supporting such ideas. The rest of us can choose to not visit and spend our money their if we're not on board with their decision.
As someone said, the Colston one is a bit more straight forward but some of them aren't. It's going to start getting really silly.
I agree with you but why now? What's changed? Its nothing to do with George floyd. We cant change the past and we shouldn't pander to a small minority.
What’s your argument for removing images of Nelson Mandella?Can we remove Mandela then?
And what about people who dont want them removed? Do they not count? I'll wager the majority of people dont want stuff messed about with.
And why now?
Can we remove Mandela then? If enough people find him offensive then we'll get shot of that then yes?
What’s your argument for removing images of Nelson Mandella?
He's just GammonWhat’s your argument for removing images of Nelson Mandella?
We all know what he means, however I would have thought that when you actually understand that he was trying to fight against Apartheid it all becomes a bit clearer. Same as the Gerry Adams thing, he did what he did because his country was invaded & occupied. I'm not getting into debates about those individuals but its not as if either of them woke up one day and decided to become 'terrorists' for shits & giggles. I would argue that the difference between Colston & those two is really straightforward, Colston wasn't fighting for a cause or trying to right a wrong, he merely wanted to generate profit by buying & selling human beings as slaves.
If that’s his angle then he’s missing a huge slice of Mandela’s legacy. I remember the library photo they used to show on the news of Mandela while he was incarcerated, presumably it was his mug shot from when he was arrested before being sent to jail. I know what he did prior to that but the man that was released from jail was nothing like that mugshot in any respect. He was an old man from starters but in reality that was the point that his legacy began. His legacy is of a decent man capable of forgiveness to such a degree that it’s truly inspirational. If Mandela had have came out of prison picked up a gun, started making bombs, committing acts of terror etc then fair enough. But that isn’t Mandela’s legacy.We all know what he means, however I would have thought that when you actually understand that he was trying to fight against Apartheid it all becomes a bit clearer. Same as the Gerry Adams thing, he did what he did because his country was invaded & occupied. I'm not getting into debates about those individuals but its not as if either of them woke up one day and decided to become 'terrorists' for shits & giggles. I would argue that the difference between Colston & those two is really straightforward, Colston wasn't fighting for a cause or trying to right a wrong, he merely wanted to generate profit by buying & selling human beings as slaves.
Some of the views on this are just bonkers, and if anything just reiterates how real racism is.And again, I implore those against this stuff to think how you’d have felt in the 60s, would you have been whining that this had nothing to do with busses and Rosa Parks? Complaining about the damage done by protesters?
Looking back now would you have been right?
Some of the views on this are just bonkers, and if anything just reiterates how real racism is.
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The fact we popped one up for Nancy Astor not so long ago was... curious in the extreme.To be honest the one statue it’s amazed me that nobody’s fussed over is that of Cromwell outside Parliament. Committed horrible acts in Ireland and not historically popular.
Says the man who'd have a statue of Gerry Adams in every market Square in Ulster.I've listened to her and she was wrong.
So you can take your idiotic prejudices line and basically fuck right off. He is a Martyr as nothing in the definition of a political martyr says they have to have had a squeaky clean past.
You seem to me to be the prejudices one here and I'm really not surprised.
Also you seem to have an Alanis Morrissette level of understanding when it comes to irony.
. Same as the Gerry Adams thing, he did what he did because his country was invaded & occupied
Shmmeee, I like you a lot, but O'Brien middle of the road?
Come on man.
Shutting down opposite sides of the argument is ironically fascism.
It's all getting very silly and happy clappy now.
Labelling O'Brien the lefts equivalent of Farage is another example of how far the whole political spectrum in this country has lurched to the right. Anything slightly left of centre is considered an extreme view!
Would probably be best for the station if Ferrari goes as well. Him and Farage will find a role at Talk Radio on the soon to launch Times Radio. They'd fit in at either of those perfectly. No point splitting the audience over 3 stations, leave LBC to serve a different audience.
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