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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,801
Liquid Gold said:
Come on Astute, I know you don't like Corbyn but you have to put your hands up and say he's done incredibly well this election. The 2nd highest increase in the vote in the party's history. Campbell, Umuna and others have already praised Corbyn so why can't you accept it.

Maybe it's a generational thing but I can tell you now that swathes of the youth vote would have been nowhere near the Labour party if it wasn't for Corbyn. The Labour candidate in my seat got 66% of the vote with a 30% increase. I can guarantee that if it wasn't for Corbyn the seat would have gone Green this time around.

People on BBC news now being interviewed are repeating it, Corbyn, Corbyn, Corbyn as the reason they voted Labour.
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He done incredibly well? Anyone decent would have won.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,802
Captain Dart said:
The Tories will not go into the next election with a manifesto anything like the one they used this time.
They will certainly make some electoral bribes to appeal to their natural electorate which they staggeringly omitted this time.
Jezza has momentum right now but there is no certainty he will have it next time.
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They will have to fundamentally rethink their position on a range of issues, they haven't shown any indication that they're ready to do that, or Mayhem certainly hasn't.

They already lack credibility because of the amount of U-turns, it just shows everybody that there is nothing behind all the slogans.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,803
chiefdave said:
You must be able to see the staggering hypocrisy when the Tories, who have talked up Corbyn's supposed links to the IRA more than any other topic in the campaign, are suddenly happy to jump in with the DUP as they're the only party prepared to work with them.
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I can see the hypocrisy on people that have praised Corbyn then had a go at the DUP.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,804
Astute said:
I already had. Your petty point scoring is showing you up here. Yet you want people to say that they are bad whilst agreeing with people that praise Corbyn.
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no I don't.
I want people to either except it from both leaders or criticise both leaders.

If you have criticised May over this then apologies, I missed it and fair play, you've kept a consistent position even if I don't agree.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,805
Deleted member 5849 said:
Umunna said if he was asked, he'd serve in a Corbyn shadow cabinet.

Get him in there, show that the cause is more important than personal ambition.
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One of the good ones. Get him in.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,806
Astute said:
I can see the hypocrisy on people that have praised Corbyn then had a go at the DUP.
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Well, the DUP are currently cosying up to the UDA.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,807
olderskyblue said:
You OK NW?
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Have just read back and liked his response then.

Funnily enough this thread's not the easiest to keep track of. At least I don't quote him and then ramble on about something completely different...
 
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lifeskyblue

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,808
I think the problem with the loose alliance tween dup and Tory government is that there currently isn't a devolved govt in NI. For the government of the U.K. To have to cosy up to one of the two main NI parties is I think dangerous as it will be impossible for even handed neutrality on behalf of the uk govt.


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chiefdave

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,809
If Labour stays more to the left off the back of this result and the Conservatives obviously stay to the right could be good news for the Lib Dems. Although I think they need a leadership election themselves.

Pleased to see Cable win his seat back. Thought he took a lot of stick for Clegg going into a coalition.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,810
The votes per seat calculations are a joke. We need to sort out this stupid electoral system.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,811
fernandopartridge said:
They will have to fundamentally rethink their position on a range of issues, they haven't shown any indication that they're ready to do that, or Mayhem certainly hasn't.

They already lack credibility because of the amount of U-turns, it just shows everybody that there is nothing behind all the slogans.
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The Tories have always lacked credibility. But the problem seems to be those who try to be better than the Jones's keep voting for them along with the rich.
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,812
Astute said:
One of the good ones. Get him in.
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It would be good to see some of the good MP's now get behind Corbyn and come back to the fold and fight the Tories together. That said I wouldn't want to see some of the newer cabinet members like Rayner or Gardiner moved out to accommodate. Diane can move aside though...
 

Astute

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,813
chiefdave said:
If Labour stays more to the left off the back of this result and the Conservatives obviously stay to the right could be good news for the Lib Dems. Although I think they need a leadership election themselves.

Pleased to see Cable win his seat back. Thought he took a lot of stick for Clegg going into a coalition.
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The Lib Dems are finished unless they drastically change and rebuild. I am Labour. Thw wife was always Lib Dem. They changed direction and then jumped into bed with the Tories. Now they are less trusted than the Tories. And that takes some doing.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,814
Ian1779 said:
It would be good to see some of the good MP's now get behind Corbyn and come back to the fold and fight the Tories together. That said I wouldn't want to see some of the newer cabinet members like Rayner or Gardiner moved out to accommodate. Diane can move aside though...
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one of the qualities I admire most in people is loyalty, but this is politics and corbyn is stretching it a bit with abbott, she needs to stand aside.
 
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Brylowes

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,815
Liquid Gold said:
If you go by the principal that the DUP would always vote with the conservatives anyway though They are still 11 seats down from last time, which was already a precarious enough position for the PM to call an election.
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And that's precisely why she called it, all her advisors were telling her she would preside
Over a landslide, giving her the sort of majority to do as she pleases.
In the current political climate (home and abroad) its almost impossible to gage opinions
And predict sizeable shifts in voting patterns, social media plays a huge part in this.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,816
Does anyone think this could be the end of the power sharing agreement in NI?
 

lifeskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,817
Sick Boy said:
Does anyone think this could be the end of the power sharing agreement in NI?
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Wouldn't surprise me


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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,818
At least if appearances on QT and politics TV shows are based on vote share at previous elections we wont have to see much of the UKIP cunts anymore.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,819
Sick Boy said:
Does anyone think this could be the end of the power sharing agreement in NI?
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I actually think they'll use they're leverage to get some money thrown at the province which SF will be on board with. The DUP also want to maintain the soft border with the Republic which again SF are all for.
I think a bigger issue could be if the rest of the UK sees the government giving into the DUP over education and health spend while everyone else is suffering sever cuts.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,820
clint van damme said:
one of the qualities I admire most in people is loyalty, but this is politics and corbyn is stretching it a bit with abbott, she needs to stand aside.
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Hopefully she can see it herself and let someone else take that role on - I'm sure there is a job for her somewhere - just not maybe in the firing line.
 
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lifeskyblue

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,821
clint van damme said:
I actually think they'll use they're leverage to get some money thrown at the province which SF will be on board with. The DUP also want to maintain the soft border with the Republic which again SF are all for.
I think a bigger issue could be if the rest of the UK sees the government giving into the DUP over education and health spend while everyone else is suffering sever cuts.
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Good points. I hadn't seen it like that but you may be right.


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SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,822
So what's going on now?

And I don't understand all the praise for corbyn, he still lost didn't he?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,823
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
So what's going on now?

And I don't understand all the praise for corbyn, he still lost didn't he?
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They all lost the election.

Corbyn has cemented himself as Labour leader for the foreseeable future, and his direction vindicated.

Theresa is fucked.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,824
British politics 2017, I know I shouldn't but I can't help but laugh

 
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Brylowes

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,825
fernandopartridge said:
They will have to fundamentally rethink their position on a range of issues, they haven't shown any indication that they're ready to do that, or Mayhem certainly hasn't.

They already lack credibility because of the amount of U-turns, it just shows everybody that there is nothing behind all the slogans.
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May negotiating Brexit makes me shudder, the rest of Europe see her for what she is,
A week willed, out of touch, out of depth and now out of excuses Prime Minister that
Doesn't even have the backing of her own party, never mind the country.

If she still holds office in November, I will eat my IPad and conduct all future dialogue
On here using my ribs..........So expect some spelling mistakes. :emoji_thinking:
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,826
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
So what's going on now?

And I don't understand all the praise for corbyn, he still lost didn't he?
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Yes he lost. Tories won but can't form a majority unless the DUP help out with their 10 seats. No formal coalition neededz
 

Astute

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,827
Ian1779 said:
Hopefully she can see it herself and let someone else take that role on - I'm sure there is a job for her somewhere - just not maybe in the firing line.
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Mathematician?
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,828
Brylowes said:
May negotiating Brexit makes me shudder, the rest of Europe see her for what she is,
A week willed, out of touch, out of depth and now out of excuses Prime Minister that
Doesn't even have the backing of her own party, never mind the country.

If she still holds office in November, I will eat my IPad and conduct all future dialogue
On here using my ribs..........So expect some spelling mistakes. :emoji_thinking:
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I think she'll be dumped at the first opportunity though that time line could be longer than I expected based on something Captain Dart posted earlier. I think we'll be fucked over brexit anyway to be honest.
 

lifeskyblue

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,829
How ironic that the Tory saviour last night (Ruth Davidson and her Scottish Tories) has tweeted that she is against an agreement with DUP due to their position on gay issues.


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SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,830
Ian1779 said:
They all lost the election.

Corbyn has cemented himself as Labour leader for the foreseeable future, and his direction vindicated.

Theresa is fucked.
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So they all failed and deserve no praise
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,831
Astute said:
Mathematician?
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if the only other candidate is Philip Hammond she might just get the job!
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,832
lifeskyblue said:
How ironic that the Tory saviour last night (Ruth Davidson and her Scottish Tories) has tweeted that she is against an agreement with DUP due to their position on gay issues.


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The Scots and the Olster Scats falling out! Ha ha

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chiefdave

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,833
Ian1779 said:
Diane can move aside though...
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She must be doing something right
2005 - 14,268 votes a majority of 7,427
2010 - 25,553 votes a majority of 14,461
2015 - 31,337 votes a majority of 24,008
2017 - 42,265 votes a majority of 35,139
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,834
chiefdave said:
She must be doing something right
2005 - 14,268 votes a majority of 7,427
2010 - 25,553 votes a majority of 14,461
2015 - 31,337 votes a majority of 24,008
2017 - 42,265 votes a majority of 35,139
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Did she count her own votes?
 
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martcov

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  • Jun 9, 2017
  • #2,835
Kingokings204 said:
Yes he lost. Tories won but can't form a majority unless the DUP help out with their 10 seats. No formal coalition neededz
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Sounds like an impressive win then.
 
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