Astute
Well-Known Member
That is the point. She lets everyone know when someone else says something. But she holds a position where she should be above it.
That is the point. She lets everyone know when someone else says something. But she holds a position where she should be above it.I think Miliband may have removed from her cabinet position because of comments that were unacceptable.
But she has also had occasions where she has legitimate cause because she has been harassed and abused because of both her her gender and race. That doesn't make her comments OK, because she is essentially tarring everyone with the same brush. This wouldn't be acceptable if a white person was attacked by a black person and made comments towards black people because of it, so it shouldn't be acceptable the other way round either. There are times where she has seemingly bought into the lazy stereotype of men and white male privilege especially.
I'll bore you and me if I list every nuance. We both know that they share a left leaning ideology that's more in harmony than most (not all) in the parliamentary party and, in answer to your question, that is it.And what else? There is much more than left, right and middle. That is just a base.
Putting people first is a pretty generic phrase, used for all kinds of things. Putting pensioners first, putting students first, putting the ill and the disabled first - all shorthand used for saying that their interests will be looked after.
It's a poor example here, tbh.
Not really. She will put black and ethnic people first. That is her statement. Could you imagine if Boris said he will put white people first? He would be hounded out of the country.Putting people first is a pretty generic phrase, used for all kinds of things. Putting pensioners first, putting students first, putting the ill and the disabled first - all shorthand used for saying that their interests will be looked after.
It's a poor example here, tbh.
That shows a remarkable lack of sensitivity for the subjugated position of Blacks, and the need for somebody to fight their corner in an increasingly intolerant country, in order to preserve a multicultural and diverse society of which we can all be proud. If Mr. Farage were to put such a poster up in Syria, say, then no I'd have no problem.so if you substituted the word black for white and Farage was on the picture it’s fine - wow
That shows a remarkable lack of sensitivity for the subjugated position of Blacks, and the need for somebody to fight their corner in an increasingly intolerant country, in order to preserve a multicultural and diverse society of which we can all be proud. If Mr. Farage were to put such a poster up in Syria, say, then no I'd have no problem.
I don't agree with her sending her child to private school, but that's not relevant to that poster and is shifting things on.How is focussing on the actual colour of the person showing diversity exactly?
How does sending your child to a private school and sharing a classroom with Michael Portillo have any resonance with her black community?
So what is the similar ideology and what was her previous position in the shadow cabinet?
I don't agree with her sending her child to private school, but that's not relevant to that poster and is shifting things on.
Mind you, would I expect anything else...?
Increasingly intolerant country? We are moving forward constantly. You will always have some racists. And we shouldn't make excuses for any of them. This includes racism against white people.That shows a remarkable lack of sensitivity for the subjugated position of Blacks, and the need for somebody to fight their corner in an increasingly intolerant country, in order to preserve a multicultural and diverse society of which we can all be proud. If Mr. Farage were to put such a poster up in Syria, say, then no I'd have no problem.
Left. Socialist. In simplified terms more traditional Labour than New Labour
She was Shadow Health Minister under Miliband.
Surely someone as capable, talented and independent minded as yourself is capable of finding information by yourself? Or are you the type that gets everyone else to do the work, you take the credit and the money and then when it comes to actually being accountable for anything blame someone else?
So I did a bit of searching... and the only thing I can find is Diane Abbot saying it is a fake poster. Here's the actual poster.Abbot is a racist and divisive - she’s an odious individual - keep digging
Increasingly intolerant country? We are moving forward constantly. You will always have some racists. And we shouldn't make excuses for any of them. This includes racism against white people.
If it shouldn't be said to a black person it also shouldn't be said to a white person. It shouldn't be one rule for one. We are all equal and as long as it is allowed like you want or say you don't have a problem with it will cause problems.
So I did a bit of searching... and the only thing I can find is Diane Abbot saying it is a fake poster. Here's the actual poster.
She was sacked and out of the shadow cabinet for 3 years
I assume it's a quote somewhere, and that's why I'd love to know the context of said quote. I have no issue at all with people 'putting LGBT rights first' 'putting the elderly first' etc. as that's just shorthand. If you're talking to a Black organisation, it would not be unreasonable any more than 'putting the people of Sheffield first'.What I said above aside. You’ve got to wonder why someone has taken the time to Photoshop that image.
Trying to change the question again I see. So what if she was sacked (which I said she had been) and out of cabinet for three years - she was in a shadow cabinet and thus quite high profile in the Labour party before Corbyn. That was the point. It's not like she was brought in out of nowhere by Corbyn
Trying to change the question again I see. So what if she was sacked (which I said she had been) and out of cabinet for three years - she was in a shadow cabinet and thus quite high profile in the Labour party before Corbyn. That was the point. It's not like she was brought in out of nowhere by Corbyn
Welcome to the bullshit world of politics these days.What I said above aside. You’ve got to wonder why someone has taken the time to Photoshop that image.
Brought in from the cold?Trying to change the question again I see. So what if she was sacked (which I said she had been) and out of cabinet for three years - she was in a shadow cabinet and thus quite high profile in the Labour party before Corbyn. That was the point. It's not like she was brought in out of nowhere by Corbyn
MEh. I don’t like the rhetoric but I can see how it’s different from “traditional” racism (for want of a better phrase)I assume it's a quote somewhere, and that's why I'd love to know the context of said quote. I have no issue at all with people 'putting LGBT rights first' 'putting the elderly first' etc. as that's just shorthand. If you're talking to a Black organisation, it would not be unreasonable any more than 'putting the people of Sheffield first'.
But... by doing said mash-up, it kind of removes any credibility for the actual argument, whatever it may be (and one where I'm the minority, it seems)
What has she done? What has she said?To be honest if you want a left wing female black Labour front bencher to vilify I don’t understand why Dawn “gay giraffes” Butler gets let off.
Brought in from the cold?
Her comments have continued. Why doesn't Corbyn do anything to stop them?
What has she done? What has she said?
I didn't use that term, Grendel did. As for why doesn't Corbyn do anything - he should. But we all know if he can shy away from conflict he will.
I used the term.I didn't use that term, Grendel did. As for why doesn't Corbyn do anything - he should. But we all know if he can shy away from conflict he will.
I’m not changing anything. Chris Grayling has been in the cabinet - I’d suggest after 3 years in exile due to his utter failings at every post he did - and he was bought back out from the cold by a former friend who used to shag him on camper van holidays then questions would be asked
Deflection using hypothetical scenario. It's not like Diane Abbott was hiding in a cupboard during that time - she was still very prominent in the party, parliament and in the media during that time. People will have others they feel they work well with and have a similar mindset to. I believe this to be the predominant reason Corbyn picked her not because of their previous relationship.
Or are you suggesting she blackmailed him so she didn't reveal details?
Brought in from the cold?
I used the term..
You asked the question where had she come from. I asked you the question if she had come in from the cold. Question mark was because I asked you the question.Why did you put the question mark then? Only makes sense if you're questioning my use of the term.
I think you'd seen Grendel's post and used the term mistakenly, which is fine. I was just pointing out I hadn't used that term
How is it a deflection to substitute Abbot with Failing Grayling?
be honest deflection is an excuse to be unable to answer the question posed.
you started this drivel by suggesting Boris Johnson has sexual impropriety and get Corbyn is worse as he’s given a former shag partner a job in his senior team and has had as many wives as Bakayoko has had league goals this season
You asked the question where had she come from. I asked you the question if she had come in from the cold. Question mark was because I asked you the question.
Simple really.
Except when he and his lapdog are sucking up to people hell bent on conflict with the country he wants to govern. He’s happy to support that conflict.I didn't use that term, Grendel did. As for why doesn't Corbyn do anything - he should. But we all know if he can shy away from conflict he will.
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