Also pretty stark that the only labour leader to win an election in 40 years is Blair, who most people despise.
This is where the disconnect between members and voters has been highlighted. Does Corbyn stay around to try and ensure his successor will follow his path?
How damaging will the fight for the future direction of the Labour Party be?
His brother didn't turn his back on him for nothing, if he comes back onto the scene it might indicate a softening in his position, I'm not holding my breathHe wasn't until he got into bed with the right wingers to win power.
hence the hope... but also the concern. He's not a principled politician, but hopefully the old habits take precedence over the new allies.
I'd love to see labour purge itself of the extreme left wingers, labour has become the socialist party thanks to momentum, maybe we can see a more centralist political future from now on.My only hope domestically (and internationally, to an extent) is that with a relatively big majority, he can sack off the right wingers and revert to 'old' Boris.
by definition will it have to be a compromise candidate?good question, potentially very.
If someone can come to prominence and pull the factions together then the party's got itself a good leader.
One silver lining for me is the collapse in the Lib Dem vote. Never forgiven them for 2010 and Swindon’s hubris brought us to this point so her being personally affected by the bloodbath is poetic justice. Also those that thought they could jump ship from party to party missing out is good news, glad we don’t need to hear from the likes of Chukka again.
Johnson can now do whatever he wants, I wonder if this will mean he softens a bit as no longer in tow to the ERG.
Bye bye Scotland though.
A demond a rekynt nyyy ! No surrender. Baaaaaastards !The switch from unionist to nationalist, along with a border somewhere in the Irish Sea, gives momentum.
Still, I'm sure there's a plan and it'll all be ok!
like him or loathe him, he's good entertainment -(even when fed lines) - e.g "Corbyn neutral"Johnson has been asked when he’s getting Brexit done. He said later and first his getting breakfast done
lol
Be interesting to see what direction they go in. Certainly some hard choices for them coming up.Also pretty stark that the only labour leader to win an election in 40 years is Blair, who most people despise.
I agree - But others I couldn’t see that workingthe East coast main lines most successful period over the last 20 years was when it was taken back in to public ownership, (I think 2009 - 2013 but could be wrong).
We have bailed out its failing franchisees with public money on more than one occasion, the arguments against don't add up.
I don't think everything should be nationalised in the same way I don't think everything should be privatised, but as the example above proves, both can have their place. It's about practicality not ideology.
and maybe N Ireland ?One silver lining for me is the collapse in the Lib Dem vote. Never forgiven them for 2010 and Swindon’s hubris brought us to this point so her being personally affected by the bloodbath is poetic justice. Also those that thought they could jump ship from party to party missing out is good news, glad we don’t need to hear from the likes of Chukka again.
Johnson can now do whatever he wants, I wonder if this will mean he softens a bit as no longer in tow to the ERG.
Bye bye Scotland though.
I don't hold much hope that Johnson's personal preference will come through. He's repeatedly shown himself to be happy to switch his view on a whim.His reshuffle will be interesting NW. As many have tried to say, at heart he is relatively liberal (Osborne, who I have little time for, was saying last night that johnson is not a big advocate of small state either) yet others have tried to paint the picture that he’s a hard right, austerity loving politician...this is not the case.
I am ot sure about that. Probably due to the Labour party’s obsession to destroy grammar schools to the level down the education system.Ah - apologies, it paled due to the small 't'. Tories should have a capital 'T' - like you afforded all the others.
So maybe it is your own struggle not mine?
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Looks like we get a chance to test whether it is...It isn’t it’s just nonsense
like him or loathe him, he's good entertainment -(even when fed lines) - e.g "Corbyn neutral"
Looks like we get a chance to test whether it is...
Reshuffle inevitable as there will need to Cabinet/ministerial representation for these "new" Northern seats.Mentioned earlier in response to NW that Johnson isn’t hard right and ERG will be under better control with a majority. Reshuffle will be interesting. With hindsight Johnsons previous cabinet picks were the correct people for the correct time (it meant he could demonstrate support for his deal as he had key brexiteers signing up to it)
I still hope Scotland remains part of the U.K.. I’m still not convinced it will good for the Scots, let alone the rest of the U.K. I’ve also mentioned the Salmond case previously. Ultimately though, with Brexit and Scotland being strong remain, whoever was in power the SNP vote was likely to stay strong. An independence vote was guaranteed in this parliament under a Labour/SNP coalition it isn’t currently although pressure will obviously increase
The main issue I've always had with him is his decision making is what's best for him rather than the country, and I've never thought that about, well... any Prime Minister before, whether I've agreed with them or not.Personally I don’t think he’s the evil right winger he’s been made out to be by some (lily and stormzy)...loose with the truth, possibly, very ‘political’ but I get the feeling deep down he’s not anywhere near as bad as he’s been made out to be by some commentators.
Not privatisation and not anything like the absurd costs that imbecile Barry Gardiner was trying to claim
They're not going to go straight to an American style system are they?
They're greedy but they're not stupid
by definition will it have to be a compromise candidate?
This result will give more weight to Blair when he re-enters the debate mind you. I don't think it's as straightforward as it could be, although it probably needs the politicians to be as cynical as the Conservatives and make a deal among themselves over who can win an election, before putting it to the members.Corbyn was a car crash Johnson didn’t even get out of first gear in the election - looking at those lining up to take over from Corbyn could be a long time in the tumbleweed
@shmmeee where you at my friend? Crying all ya socialist tears away hahahahahahahahaha
Morning Dom. Labour needed the kick up the arse and I hope they learn the right lessons.
Been asking my Brexit mates in my group chat for something to feel positive about this morning. They have come up with “we might get trade deals in ten to twenty years” and “remainers are upset”. Any advance?
Future is yours now. What you going to do with it?
This result will give more weight to Blair when he re-enters the debate mind you. I don't think it's as straightforward as it could be, although it probably needs the politicians to be as cynical as the Conservatives and make a deal among themselves over who can win an election, before putting it to the members.
Would be interesting to see the campaign if there were another referendum given that last time it was based on 'better together' and staying in the EU!Scottish independence isn't black and white. An assumption that Scotland can remain in EU is up for debate. Also the practicalities of how free trade and movement could happen in Scotland when there are already so many issues over the nature of an Irish border.
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