SkyBlueDom26
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No tragedy should ever be used for political gain, i agree with you 100%
Which was one of the victims parents quote about Boris tried to weaponise the attack for electioneering.
London Bridge victim's father shares criticism calling Johnson 'beyond disgusting' for using son's death for political gain
Not in the manifesto perhaps, but it IS Labour's stated policy over the next 10yrs. It has been criticised by some withing the party, but not retracted!What was on (in) the manifesto? There’s nothing about the four day week in there.
Meanwhile: The lies, falsehoods and misrepresentations of Boris Johnson and his government.
Without Brexit and Corbyn he’d be polling Lib Dem numbers. Truly a useless politician.
I think before its shouted down someone needs to explain why the rail fares in this country are so much higher than everywhere else in Europe. To me that suggests either someone is making a lot of money or our costs are out of control.Can't see this one working either...genuinely aspirational? Misguided promises? Or out & out lie???
I think before its shouted down someone needs to explain why the rail fares in this country are so much higher than everywhere else in Europe. To me that suggests either someone is making a lot of money or our costs are out of control.
Or the years of nationalised railway left an underfunded/inefficient & ancient network that was desperately in need of investment. Privatisation permitted the investment, & upgrading to be carried put more rapidly & efficiently. Either way - someone has to pay for it.I think before its shouted down someone needs to explain why the rail fares in this country are so much higher than everywhere else in Europe. To me that suggests either someone is making a lot of money or our costs are out of control.
I think before its shouted down someone needs to explain why the rail fares in this country are so much higher than everywhere else in Europe. To me that suggests either someone is making a lot of money or our costs are out of control.
Can't see this one working either...genuinely aspirational? Misguided promises? Or out & out lie???
Labour pledges to cut rail fares by a third
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I think that given a) train pricing is absurd and such poor value and b) considerably cheaper in pretty much every westernised country in the world that it needs to be a policy for the future.
Right now there is no incentive for any of us in the Midlands (and probably the rest of the UK) to get a train to London. You can drive there and pay parking, congestion, tube and it still be so much cheaper.
Or the years of nationalised railway left an underfunded/inefficient & ancient network that was desperately in need of investment. Privatisation permitted the investment, & upgrading to be carried put more rapidly & efficiently. Either way - someone has to pay for it.
So rather than shouting it down, I am questioning how they will be able to lower fares...without subsidising from the national coffers...which means they will want more money from you & I & businesses that employ us.
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It costs £30 I went the other week
At that point you may have been lucky. I wanted to go down in Feb earlier this year, for a family of 4 (2 under 10’s) was 120 return from Wellingborough to St Pancras, after peak hours as well. There is no rational justification for that price.It costs £30 I went the other week
At that point you may have been lucky. I wanted to go down in Feb earlier this year, for a family of 4 (2 under 10’s) was 120 return from Wellingborough to St Pancras, after peak hours as well. There is no rational justification for that price.
Not in the manifesto perhaps, but it IS Labour's stated policy over the next 10yrs. It has been criticised by some withing the party, but not retracted!
Four-day working week becomes Labour policy - LabourList
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Can't see this one working either...genuinely aspirational? Misguided promises? Or out & out lie???
Labour pledges to cut rail fares by a third
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That’s not what Dom said though is it? A conference motion is very different to a manifesto.
The UK is more than London. There is much wrong with prices & pricing. Also, a lot wrong with routes. Almost everywhere you want to get to southward goes through London or there are a tedious number of changes, &/or far higher prices.I think that given a) train pricing is absurd and such poor value and b) considerably cheaper in pretty much every westernised country in the world that it needs to be a policy for the future.
Right now there is no incentive for any of us in the Midlands (and probably the rest of the UK) to get a train to London. You can drive there and pay parking, congestion, tube and it still be so much cheaper.
But you wouldn't vote for a party that stated a policy which was wholly unacceptable to you just because it wasn't in their manifesto either would you?That’s not what Dom said though is it? A conference motion is very different to a manifesto.
The UK is more than London. There is much wrong with prices & pricing. Also, a lot wrong with routes. Almost everywhere you want to get to southward goes through London or there are a tedious number of changes, &/or far higher prices.
That just adds to overcrowding on trains.
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I don’t disagree - but at some point we have to make the transition to a better system. We pioneered advances in transportation and travel, and we now are going nowhere in the pursuit of wringing every last penny out of a system no longer fit for purpose.
But you wouldn't vote for a party that stated a policy which was wholly unacceptable to you just because it wasn't in their manifesto either would you?
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I mean I think it’s a bit weird that you find an aspiration to reach a four day week unacceptable but each to their own.
As I say though, conference motions are always further left than the party manifesto because it’s purely made by membership and hasn’t been watered down by the party machinery yet. AFAIK the Tories don’t have an equivalent because they aren’t a democratic party so it’s more like taking things fringe groups have said.
On that point I agree, I won’t vote Tory for many reasons (rank incompetence mostly), but a large part is the states positions of its MPs that aren’t yet in its manifesto.
Not one person on here believes that!Hahahaha I may be younger than you but I have more common sense than you’ll ever have
I think that given a) train pricing is absurd and such poor value and b) considerably cheaper in pretty much every westernised country in the world that it needs to be a policy for the future.
Right now there is no incentive for any of us in the Midlands (and probably the rest of the UK) to get a train to London. You can drive there and pay parking, congestion, tube and it still be so much cheaper.
Christ you talk so much drivel. All railway investment comes from the public purse, Network Rail funds the infrastructure and the DFT buys the trains. The private train operators only lease trains for the length of their franchise. They invest very little.Or the years of nationalised railway left an underfunded/inefficient & ancient network that was desperately in need of investment. Privatisation permitted the investment, & upgrading to be carried put more rapidly & efficiently. Either way - someone has to pay for it.
So rather than shouting it down, I am questioning how they will be able to lower fares...without subsidising from the national coffers...which means they will want more money from you & I & businesses that employ us.
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I booked tickets last week (2 returns) Rugby to Euston, out on Friday at 9:11 and returning Sunday 3pm. Using a TwoTogether railcard (£30 pa) it cost me £22.60 (£33.90 without the railcard).
We used to drive down, park at Edgware and get the tube in. Parking, and fuel was around £35.
I think that's pretty good value.
Yup, saw on the news that they rail company owners/shareholders took £1.5bn in payouts last year, at a time they put prices up and recieved £5bn government funding. All the rail companies are worried it is line their pocket.Christ you talk so much drivel. All railway investment comes from the public purse, Network Rail funds the infrastructure and the DFT buys the trains. The private train operators only lease trains for the length of their franchise. They invest very little.
It’s now London Northwestern. (Part of West Midlands Railways).Or get to Northampton and go London midland from there it’s £25 I think
Not one person on here believes that!
Not one person on here believes that!
Not nearly as fun as it would be if Corbyn is in No.10The meltdown on this thread if Boris gets a majority will be hilarious, will be interesting to see what excuses people will come up with.....
I booked tickets last week (2 returns) Rugby to Euston, out on Friday at 9:11 and returning Sunday 3pm. Using a TwoTogether railcard (£30 pa) it cost me £22.60 (£33.90 without the railcard).
We used to drive down, park at Edgware and get the tube in. Parking, and fuel was around £35.
I think that's pretty good value.
Not nearly as fun as it would be if Corbyn is in No.10
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