SkyBlueDom26
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But it’s true though?
But it’s true though?AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU BORING TEDIOUS REPETITIVE MORON
Well, I put it down to Statehood mainly. As a country we did have a Civil War or two a few hundred years back about these ideas and what it means to live in a common-wealth.
I am personally in favour of Democracy and letting people choose their own destiny.
Democracy is good unless someone is on the losing side.
But are.you happy about anyone putting your children's generation seriously in debt? Because you don't seem to have a problem with it.The difference is that Labour will invest in something that my children may benefit in, the Tories will merely line the pockets of already very rich people.
But it’s true though?
But are.you happy about anyone putting your children's generation seriously in debt? Because you don't seem to have a problem with it.
My parents? What are you going on about? It was a Labour governmentWere you happy with your parents putting you into debt?
You do realise if the public sector doesn’t run a deficit the private sector has to don’t you?
Probably not, you probably think the Workd Bank will send bailiffs round to take the Crown Jewels or something.
My parents? What are you going on about? It was a Labour government
There really is no such thing as individual debt from state spending, so that hysterical Daily Mail drivel about children being in debt is nonsense.But are.you happy about anyone putting your children's generation seriously in debt? Because you don't seem to have a problem with it.
But are.you happy about anyone putting your children's generation seriously in debt? Because you don't seem to have a problem with it.
I think I’d take a bit of national debt over my children (and their children) living through an ecological crisis because the climate is fucked.
That’s a bit of an oversimplification. What brand of democracy?
I think if you’re banging on about stuff from hundreds of years ago it’s probably not that relevant in the 21st century TBH. Life’s a little more complex than that.
Still not really what I asked for anyway, which is the wonky working out behind it not the populist rhetoric at the front.
Populist: by this I guess you are meaning the majority view?
Yes as said teacher is voting Tory and thinks Corbyn is an utter twat
It’s a bit late for that. They already are and the debt has only grown since the last labour government. Austerity failed, simple as.But are.you happy about anyone putting your children's generation seriously in debt? Because you don't seem to have a problem with it.
I'm sorry but the Government you elected can't take it seat in Parliament because its a populist view.
I don't understand the connotations you are making that a populist decision is bad.
Usually I would put forward any decision made by a populist party within Government, as long as it abides by putting their ideas through a Utilitarian framework and not fringing on anyone's Individuals Rights would be the way to go.
Infact this is how the European Union come to decide laws etc.
You're saying this is not good?
Take a look at page 50 of the tory manifesto, I'm not sure they areWell, I put it down to Statehood mainly. As a country we did have a Civil War or two a few hundred years back about these ideas and what it means to live in a common-wealth.
I am personally in favour of Democracy and letting people choose their own destiny.
Take a look at page 50 of the tory manifesto, I'm not sure they are
Me missing the point? You are missing the point on purpose as usual.
The U.K. has been in debt forever, your parents “passed on debt to their children”, how did it effect you? And no, there was not a Labour government every year since the Napoleonic War.
Debt per se isn’t bad. You have probably used it yourself to say buy a house, knowing that the rise in value of the house will outweigh the costs of borrowing. Or maybe you’ve bought a car on credit knowing it widen the search area for your job and increases your earnings by more than it costs to make the repayments.
Of course what you don’t want to do is leave debt when you die and can’t pay it off. Except countries don’t die, or rather when they do the level of national debt is the last of their worries.
Does that mean we can borrow infinite money? Of course not. We have to be confident that it will either grow our GDP enough to cover the borrowing costs, or that inflation will be higher than the interest rate so it’s value drops.
Governments also are different from people in that when they spend money, it tends to come back in the form of taxes. Pay for 5,000 nurses and take IT and NI from their wages, then VAT on their purchases. Buy some steel from a U.K. firm and the money goes on jobs that pay tax. Whereas when you spend money it’s gone and never to return.
This is all before we talk about the fact that the government invents money out of air, it literally does have a magic money tree called the mint. Like a MMT it has limitations and will cause inflation if overused but it does exist.
Taking about government budgeting like it was personal finance is utter utter nonsense.
Individual debt? Where did you get that from? How unusual.There really is no such thing as individual debt from state spending, so that hysterical Daily Mail drivel about children being in debt is nonsense.
BTW, if it was true every member of public has been in serious debt since 1692. We've survived somehow and the economically prudent Tories have increased national debt by nearly a trillion pounds in 9 years again without mass bankruptcy amongst adults or children.
A bit of national debt? Are you in denial on how much debt they want to put the UK in?I think I’d take a bit of national debt over my children (and their children) living through an ecological crisis because the climate is fucked.
Me missing the point? You are missing the point on purpose as usual.
A bit of national debt? Are you in denial on how much debt they want to put the UK in?
Absolutely . Usually it leaves a bad taste but they get on with life. On some occasions they moan on and on and on. Then they blame the other side for being thick.Democracy is good unless someone is on the losing side.
Maybe populist is the wrong word.
Content free bombast?
Touchy feely crap?
I dunno. All this “freedom” bollocks and referencing long past history and wars and all that. It’s lovely but it’s not a rational working out of what’s going to happen.
You seem to have come into a conversation thread halfway through and got the wrong end of the stick. This started by me saying other than Brexit there’s usually working out of benefits behind policy decisions and not just “vanity”.
It’s got nothing to do with the result
Of course he does . We all do. But you're dying to bore us all to death so go on, get it over with.Do you have any idea what the costs of global warming will be?
LolIndividual debt? Where did you get that from? How unusual.
Will the near 40 billion plus hundreds of millions a year to give everyone free internet stop global warming?Do you have any idea what the costs of global warming will be?
No. Have had enough of the propaganda on here. You say Corbyn and Labour are not defended on here. But all you have to do is look at the posts.Did you just look at the pictures?
Exactly. LOL is all you can say when shown to be saying something that isn't true. But nothing unusual is it.
You have no idea of how the free internet policy will work or that it’s more than everyone simply stops paying for internet access, do you?Will the near 40 billion plus hundreds of millions a year to give everyone free internet stop global warming?
You said that Labour would put our children in debt. Was that what you meant or not?Exactly. LOL is all you can say when shown to be saying something that isn't true. But nothing unusual is it.
Oh. And just so you know a lot of the money had already been pledged by the sitting government £5bn for full fibre - does it add up?Will the near 40 billion plus hundreds of millions a year to give everyone free internet stop global warming?
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